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Title: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on September 03, 2010, 06:42:41 am
FKM,  plain white rolls,  no fuss.

520g white flour
2 teasp. dried yeast.
300mls. warm water
1 teasp. each of sugar and salt

Place in bowl, knead for 4 mins
Leave in bowl until double
Form into rolls or loaf, spray with water
Leave to rise to double
Bake in pre heated oven, 210c. for 20 mins

The whole process will take less than 2 hours


To freeze bread.
When cool , wrap bread in foil and freeze.
If a loaf, it can be sliced when cool, and frozen with or without baking paper between slices.
Remove slices as required.
For rolls and bread sticks.....
Place in hot oven,  still in foil ,  or unwrap and quickly place under running water and then place in hot oven.   This can be done to frozen or thawed bread sticks or rolls. 
It is best not to refresh bread in microwave as it changes the texture of the bread.

If you know you are going to freeze bread sticks or rolls,  it is best to under cook them by 5/10 mins,  depending on size .
When I bake a loaf,  I usually cut it in 1/2 and wrap one 1/2 in foil and freeze and store the other 1/2 in a paper or plastic bag to be used over the following days.

I make a loaf,  20 mins 200/220c,  then out of tin for 5/10 on shelf in oven to crisp the bottom.   Makes an excellent bread stick.  Also form into a stick and then cut with plastic bread scraper,  into little square rolls,  just for a change.  This is the recipe I make with the grand children as it always works.


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Post by: judydawn on September 03, 2010, 07:23:58 am
Thanks Chookie, we loved these.
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Post by: JulieO on September 03, 2010, 07:28:12 am
Me too, they are now my most favourite rolls to make.  ;D
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Post by: cookie1 on September 03, 2010, 08:11:03 am
I don't think I've tried these..................yet. Thanks.
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Post by: Thermomixer on September 03, 2010, 08:13:51 am
Thanks for finding and posting this recipe  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Post by: Ceejay on September 03, 2010, 12:13:43 pm
Awesome thanks chookie!

Straight down on my list for tomorrow...  :-*
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: JulieO on September 04, 2010, 03:02:05 pm
I made this as a loaf today and in all honesty it's one of the nicest loaves I've made.  Unfortunately it stuck to the loaf tin on the sides so it pulled apart a bit, so I think I will start lining the tin in future.  :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on September 05, 2010, 02:11:06 am
I think it pays to JulieO, after the effort it is annoying when that happens.  How long did a loaf take to cook please? This reminds me I must get my batch of rolls started.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: JulieO on September 05, 2010, 02:44:31 am
Can't say for sure Judy as I didn't keep a check on it as I was doing other things at the time. Just put it on for the 20 mins and check after that.

I do put cold water in the bowl with the sugar and yeast and heat on 37C/3 mins/1 1/2 mins, then let sit for about 5 mins while getting the bread flour out, it puts a bit of heat in the bowl for the proofing. I also add 2 tsp bread improver when adding the flour etc.

So quick and easy to make and after all the breads I've made have found this the nicest, go figure!  :D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on September 05, 2010, 02:59:53 am
Thanks JulieO, it is hard to figure out.  Just when you think you have got it right, along comes another recipe which improves on it - they all have the same ingredients but maybe different quantities  :-)) :-))  I've got my rolls proofing but for the first time in ages, I forgot the bread improver so it will be interesting to see if I have success without it even if it isn't in most recipes anyway but I just feel as if my bread/rolls are so much better since using it.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: JulieO on September 05, 2010, 03:37:17 am
for the first time in ages, I forgot the bread improver so it will be interesting to see if I have success without it even if it isn't in most recipes anyway but I just feel as if my bread/rolls are so much better since using it.

Yes me too Judy, fingers crossed for you.  :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on September 05, 2010, 04:57:54 am
JD and JulieO,  glad you like this recipe.  So easy.  I make a loaf,  20 mins 200/220c,  then out of tin for 5/10 on shelf in oven to crisp the bottom.   Makes an excellent bread stick.  Also form into a stick and then cut with plastic bread scraper,  into little square rolls,  just for a change.  This is the recipe I make with the grand children as it always works.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: containergirl on September 05, 2010, 05:23:44 am
Another variation we have been fond of recently is 'chocolate loaf'.  I add a tablesoon or two of sugar to the dough.  Once the dough has risen, I flatten it out into a rectangle, sprinkle chocolate chips on it and roll it up (like a swiss roll).  I then rub a little oil and brown sugar over the top.  It often splits during baking but it adds to the charm (and no one complains about seeing chocolate).

If I am really pushed for time sometimes I have made it without waiting for it to rise or double....it isn't as fine but is still a rather grand treat.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on September 05, 2010, 05:47:18 am
I have trouble with one of my bread tins sticking and not the others. I do line it, but I cheat and use the lining a couple of times. Only because I hate doing the liner.

Chookie I will try these as a loaf.
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Post by: achookwoman on September 05, 2010, 06:24:51 am
Someone suggested 2 teaspoons of curry powder in the basic dough recipe.
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Post by: Ceejay on September 05, 2010, 12:21:35 pm
Ooooh Saeco coffee machine... LOL!  :o

I have a royal cappuccino...   :D


The curry powder would make an interesting addition....  ;)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on September 05, 2010, 12:31:25 pm
Great to see you handing down your breadmaking skills to your grand-children Chookie.
I have to report that my rolls were perfect, looked just like JulieO's so did not bother with a photo.  The only difference I found was that the rising time took longer both times.  The family love coming here and finding I have just cooked a batch.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on September 06, 2010, 02:49:20 am
Judy, it is nice to spoil them.   Every one loves fresh bread.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on September 06, 2010, 07:31:00 am
It makes the house smell nice, and everyone loves you for making it.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on September 06, 2010, 10:46:47 am
Cookie 1,  yes, yes yes. ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: containergirl on September 07, 2010, 02:21:14 am
I laughed about everyone loving it.  I am sure my children will love me for making bread (one day!) but they think the bought stuff is the absolute pinacle - a treat beyond all others!    :-))
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on September 07, 2010, 03:04:18 am
Containergirl,  I know exactly what you are talking about.   My grand children, 4 of them live on 'plastic ' bread.  I must admit that I also like an occasional slice.   The 2 and 5 years old love these rolls,   and the older 2 are now learning to make this simple bread.   They love the process.   I make it in the TMX,  with them measuring everything,  (bit of a maths lesson).  But I let them knead the dough,  just to get a feel for it.   Then their job is to keep an eye on it and let me know when it has reached the top of the bowl.  Into the oven,  while they watch it rise through the glass door.   They love the end result and to be able to share it with everyone.  i must admit that this cold weather is most suited to cooking inside.  If you can find time ,  give it a go.   There are plenty of good bread makers on the Forum who will willingly hold your hand while you get started.
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Post by: Berry on September 07, 2010, 12:09:35 pm
Thankyou thankyou thankyou!  I hadn't had much success with any kind of bread... some efforts were ok .... but these were perfect!  ;D

Now that I've had success with the rolls, I think I deserve to treat myself to a proper bread tin.  Can anyone tell me what's the best size tin for a quantity of dough like this?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on September 07, 2010, 02:04:43 pm
I'll let Chookie answer the question about the tin size Berry but well done.  I know just how you are feeling after your first real success - I was over the moon with mine and from then on my confidence grew and I have had few failures.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on September 08, 2010, 05:01:25 am
Berry,  congratulations ;D ;D ;D    What a smart person you are.   As for tins,  almost anything will do.  My fav. at the moment is a 26 x 15 cm. loaf tin i bought at Aldi for $2.50.  (on special).  Choose the tin according to the shape you want.  Do you want it for square sandwiches or as a center piece for the table when you are having visitors.?  I often use my small cast iron casserole pot with lid.  No need to put dish of water in bottom of oven as firs 20/30 mins is done with lid on.  A cake tin ,  or loaf tin will do.  Spray generously with canola oil and sprinkle with rolled oats or seeds to prevent sticking.  Can line tin if you think it might stick.  Have a look at the post I have just put on chit-chat about liners you can buy.  I have been using the large round one when i make a very large wet loaf in my large cast iron casserole.
You are about to have the time of your life now that you have made your first successful bread.  Have a look at Isi's recipes,  these are simple and tasty.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: pinkscrapbooker on September 08, 2010, 11:17:37 pm
We made these on Tuesday as cheesy mite scrolls, kids loved it. Thanks for the recipie!
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Post by: achookwoman on September 09, 2010, 02:01:52 am
Pinkscrapbooker, great to see you experimenting, and having success.
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Post by: bigTcup on September 09, 2010, 07:43:58 am
Made these today making cheesymite scrolls also, they were a huge success :)
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Post by: achookwoman on September 09, 2010, 08:01:29 am
Great work bigTcup.  Were they for you or the kids?
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Post by: bigTcup on September 09, 2010, 08:14:34 am
Both...I couldn't help myself!!  ;D ;D
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Post by: cookie1 on September 09, 2010, 08:36:44 am
Chookie, this is so lovely and quick and easy. I made a batch and made them into mini rolls for soup and I put them in DD's lunch with her salad. Thank you.

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Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on September 09, 2010, 09:03:41 am
Cookie, what a great idea, you are fast developing into a bread tragic. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: judydawn on September 09, 2010, 01:18:06 pm
Fantastic Cookie - how long do you have to cook those tasty morsels?  I only get a dozen with the size I make them and I'm sure DH would prefer them to be smaller.  I could then eat 2 or 3 at a go  :-)) :-))
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Post by: Cornish Cream on September 09, 2010, 02:18:51 pm
Great looking bread rolls Cookie, they look as though are ready to go into a glossy magazine article. ;)
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Post by: Zan on September 09, 2010, 02:47:56 pm
cookie they look amazing, must make these (someone remind me!!),
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Post by: bigTcup on September 09, 2010, 03:47:52 pm
I used this recipe to makes cob loaf for the cob loaf dip, perfect  :D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on September 10, 2010, 02:53:51 am
I cooked them for about 20 minutes Judy. But my oven seems to cook things very quickly. The rolls were 30g of dough (roughly).
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Post by: judydawn on September 10, 2010, 03:29:25 am
Thanks Cookie, the weight is handy to know too.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: willmac on September 10, 2010, 06:01:42 am
Sorry this might be a silly question but what sort of flour do you use.
Can't wait to make these.

kay
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: CreamPuff63 on September 10, 2010, 06:39:39 am
look for 'bread flour' in the supermarket. its a stronger flour apparently than the normal plain flour.
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Post by: willmac on September 10, 2010, 08:55:33 am
Thanks of to the shops I go.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: willmac on September 11, 2010, 06:05:10 am
OMG, just made these, for my first attempt at bread you ladies made it so easy. Fresh bread rolls, with the strawberry jam I just made. YUMMO. I just want to keep making bread now......
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on September 11, 2010, 06:20:20 am
Making bread is a bit like owning a Thermomix, you become addicted.
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Post by: willmac on September 11, 2010, 08:51:01 am
Making bread is a bit like owning a Thermomix, you become addicted.
So true, can't wait to make some more.
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Post by: achookwoman on September 11, 2010, 08:56:51 am
willmac,  congratulations,  you are up and running with your bread.
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Post by: zebraa on September 11, 2010, 04:43:45 pm
made them today - thanks they worked a treat
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Post by: Very Happy Jan on September 12, 2010, 02:25:50 am
Made these for dinner last night. They were great. Thanks Chookie
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Post by: achookwoman on September 12, 2010, 05:00:00 am
Good to hear you liked them, VHJ and zebraa.  I'm making a batch now,  with some soaked whole grain and LSA in them. ;D
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Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on September 12, 2010, 05:38:24 am
Please report back on those Chookie! They sound like my kind of rolls. :)
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Post by: Terri on November 14, 2010, 09:22:25 am
These sound like my kinda bread rolls :) just wondering if you want to use them for lunch do you make the night before?? i would have to for DH but then how do you store them overnight??
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on November 14, 2010, 09:35:40 am
Terri,  you can make them the day before.  If you want a soft crust ,  put them in a plastic bag while still warm.  If you want a crisp crust,  let them cool uncovered.
Chelsea, I used 20g of soaked grain and 20g of LSA.  I often add different things for a bit of a change.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: LeeJ on November 26, 2010, 11:35:20 am
Tried these this week, worked beautifully.

I always had trouble with bread being dense in the breadmaker, where as this was lovely and fluffy.

I did plain rolls, bacon and cheese and cheesymite scrolls. The varieties are endless with this beautiful dough!

This is great, as it has no oil, or vinegar, meaning it's failsafe, so my son can share our bread too :)

Thanks so much!
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Post by: achookwoman on November 27, 2010, 03:18:06 am
LeeJ,  so glad you liked it.  As you say the varieties are endless.  A plait in the middle of the table, looks great for a dinner party.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Churchill on November 29, 2010, 09:48:25 pm
Hi There,

I have now made these twice. The first time they seemed a bit dense ( could be the operator as it was my first time) second time i added the bread improver and OMG they are amazing! I feel like a very smug "housewife" as my hubby goes to work with bread rolls made by yours truly! he he he

PS totally agree that bread is like the thermomix, totally addicted as going to go and try and another batch today!
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Post by: cookie1 on November 30, 2010, 04:13:54 am
Churchill I empathise with that. I tend to think I want to make bread, what type don't we have in the freezer at the moment. I'm glad you're enjoying it.
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Post by: Cornish Cream on December 03, 2010, 06:58:26 pm
I made these today Chookie and they were superb.Thank you for the wonderful recipe. :)
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Post by: fundj&e on December 16, 2010, 10:58:01 pm
I have made pizzette with 30g of this dough

and cooked them on a very hot cast iron pan about 1-2mins on each side

top with nap sauce and cheese, under grill or breville sandwich maker to melt cheese

only made 4 just to try it out. Very nice. Will make more and freeze all ready  made with sauce and cheese
the rest of the dough is in the oven, smells  so good.

Still look for my cord thing to upload photos, I think the kids have it. They hate it when I upload photos of them.

Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 17, 2010, 12:46:26 am
Fundj,  glad you like this recipe.  It is very versatile.  I have just made some rolls and added 30g of LSA.  I'm about to experiment with this recipe by adding garlic butter to the basic dough to see what happens.  Could make a good base for pizzas.
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Post by: fundj&e on December 17, 2010, 01:12:05 am
the pizzette are very good. i will try a make a whole pizza on sunday night.


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i try uploading on this site :( my file is too big
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Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on December 17, 2010, 02:20:04 am
I reduce my photo sizes using the simple paint program.  Scroll through this (http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=191.msg5771#msg5771) thread and you will read the instructions I gave to JD on how to do it.  :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 17, 2010, 05:35:36 am
Funji,  I have to reduce the size of the photo on the camera.  Worth a try.  I have used the recipe for a whole pizza and it worked fine .  Good luck.
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Post by: Cuilidh on December 20, 2010, 08:14:05 pm
I don't know much about bread improver or what is in it and so have never been happy to use it.  I have a niggling memory that it is full of artificial chemicals, etc.  Can anyone tell me about what it comprises?
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Post by: judydawn on December 20, 2010, 09:49:55 pm
I've thrown my box out Cuilidh and store it in a lidded container so unable to list the ingredients at the moment.  I have read on the forum that you can add 1/4 - 1/2 teaspoon of absorbic acid at the same time as the yeast though and this works as a 'bread improver'.   All I know is that my bread works much better with bread improver than without.
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Post by: JulieO on December 20, 2010, 10:07:25 pm
I haven't got my box either, but when it runs out I will be getting the natural one from Simply No Knead as per link.  I find the improver does improve my bread so will continue using it.

http://www.snk.com.au/html/s02_article/article_view.asp?id=99&nav_cat_id=129&nav_top_id=55
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Post by: Cuilidh on December 20, 2010, 10:10:58 pm
Thanks to both of you for your responses.  I use ascorbic acid in my bread anyway so perhaps I am doing the same thing without knowing it - I'll look into the Simply No Knead product as well.  It certainly puts my mind to rest on this subject and I feel more relaxed about using bread improver now.  Your support is greatly appreciated,
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Kath on January 01, 2011, 04:17:41 am
Just wanted to thank you for this recipe! I've made it two days in a row now and my children all love it - they say it tastes most like store-bought bread, which, coming from them, is most complementary!  ;)
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Post by: Lovemythermo on January 01, 2011, 06:16:30 am
I also tried this recipe for the first time today, I don't know why it took me so long! after many failed attempts at the recipe in the EDC it was such a relief to finally have some success. I think having my water at the correct temperature for lukewarm has certainly helped!

I know this is a bit off topic but I was just reading a post on another forum of a new owner who is extremely disappointed with their new purchase. It made me think that with the recipes in the EDC being so unreliable how lucky we are to have this great forum. I can imagine new owners who don't know we're here could be more than a little disappointed in their new purchase - I don't know what I would do without it.

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Post by: Snoozie on January 01, 2011, 08:49:16 am
Sounds good! Will give this a go tomorrow :)
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Post by: Ninny on January 01, 2011, 09:31:25 am
I also tried this recipe for the first time today, I don't know why it took me so long! after many failed attempts at the recipe in the EDC it was such a relief to finally have some success. I think having my water at the correct temperature for lukewarm has certainly helped!

I know this is a bit off topic but I was just reading a post on another forum of a new owner who is extremely disappointed with their new purchase. It made me think that with the recipes in the EDC being so unreliable how lucky we are to have this great forum. I can imagine new owners who don't know we're here could be more than a little disappointed in their new purchase - I don't know what I would do without it.

I'm with you Lovemythermo, there isn't alot in the EDC that appeals to me. Thank goodness for the forum or I wouldn't be cooking much at all! Jenny
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Post by: Kath on January 01, 2011, 09:52:39 am
I know this is a bit off topic but I was just reading a post on another forum of a new owner who is extremely disappointed with their new purchase. It made me think that with the recipes in the EDC being so unreliable how lucky we are to have this great forum. I can imagine new owners who don't know we're here could be more than a little disappointed in their new purchase - I don't know what I would do without it.

Did you direct her over here?  :)
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Post by: judydawn on January 01, 2011, 09:55:45 am
I did Kath  :-)) :-))  I sent her a pm.
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Post by: achookwoman on January 01, 2011, 10:42:52 pm
Kathy, glad the kids like it.   Easy too.
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Post by: opi2kenopi on January 03, 2011, 02:27:47 am
Here, here to all the "we love this bread" comments.  WE love this bread too.  Made it into hotdog rolls for lunch today to fill with leftover sausages from dinner last night.

Apart from the unevenness, they look like bought ones!  And yes, 2 of them have already been scoffed!  :-))

That dough also made the 2 (large) dinner rolls that DH & I will have tonight.

Thanks for posting  :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on January 03, 2011, 03:44:11 am
Opi, glad you posted a photo,  and love this recipe.   Yours look much better than mine.   mine always look a bit agricultural.   keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: opi2kenopi on January 03, 2011, 03:48:06 am
Absolutely nothing wrong with agricutural!  Was born and bred on a farm in country SA and proud of it!   ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Snoozie on January 03, 2011, 04:26:23 am
Made rolls yesterday. Kids and DH liked them despite my burning the bottom. Think the oven in our new place cooks hotter than it says lol will keep perservering!

Thanks for the recipe :)
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Post by: Denzelmum on February 03, 2011, 06:56:04 am
Made this today.  Only baked for 12 minutes, adapting concept Woollies baked at home bread.  Plan to have burger tomorrow, so will bake another 10 minutes while fixing the topping. 
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Post by: KerrynN on February 03, 2011, 09:32:36 am
I made these yesterday and finished them off this morning. They were fantastic! Will definitely be making them again for school lunches and do the final cooking in the morning.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on February 03, 2011, 08:32:30 pm
Kerryn,  did you finish them off in a pre heated oven?   Sounds like a good  way to go for those wanting fresh rolls for lunches.
Well done.
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Post by: KerrynN on February 04, 2011, 04:10:14 am
Chookie I put them straight from the freezer into a cold oven. They didn't take the whole extra 10 minutes back at full temp, so I'm glad I was watching them. They browned beautifully. The only thing I have to master now is shaping the rolls so they look uniform, and more like the dinner rolls you get at the shop (rather than bread blobs). They tasted fantastic though!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on February 04, 2011, 05:29:56 am
Kerryn,  I know how you feel about shaping them,  mine always look a bit 'agricultural' .   I know that some people weigh the dough before forming.  Keep up the good work.
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Post by: KerrynN on February 04, 2011, 06:57:17 am
LOL! Looking at the photos, the shape of rolls should have been the least of my concern. I forgot to take my hair out of it's customary "get this out of my face and off my neck" tie back, and I didn't take off my apron either. At least I wasn't still in my slippers!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on February 04, 2011, 07:23:13 am
Opi,  I have just looked at your Blog.   It is wonderful and all those photos.  I will continue to dip in when I have a moment.   Thank you. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: opi2kenopi on February 04, 2011, 09:19:50 am
Thanks Chookie.   ;D  It seems to be the thing to do!  I do love doing it though (when I remember - I'm not as dedicated as many are).
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on February 07, 2011, 09:53:48 pm
Made these today with GD.   
We rolled the dough into little balls, all sizes.  When cooked, they were easily pulled apart. The kiddies loved this.   What was left over, was sliced for breakfast.
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Post by: Twitterpated on April 15, 2011, 12:05:48 am
Made these rolls yesterday. Really easy and tasted great. One of the best I have come across yet. I had mine fresh from the oven with JudyDawn's chicken and corn soup for lunch.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: KerrynN on April 28, 2011, 12:03:50 pm
Chookie,
If I wanted to use a combination of white and wholemeal flour, what proportions would you recommend and would I need to alter anything else (like the amount of liquid)?
Thanks,
Kerryn
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on April 28, 2011, 12:21:04 pm
Chookie is overseas at the moment Kerryn but I'll ask her for you when I next email her .
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Post by: LeeJ on April 28, 2011, 01:02:27 pm
http://eatlovedrink.com/2011/04/27/weighing-white-and-whole-wheat-flour/

I was reading this today, Jo from Quirky Cooking linked it on Facebook. Explains the different weights and measures for different flours. Certainly clears a few things up! :)
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Post by: judydawn on April 30, 2011, 12:27:58 am
Chookie,
If I wanted to use a combination of white and wholemeal flour, what proportions would you recommend and would I need to alter anything else (like the amount of liquid)?
Thanks,
Kerryn
Have heard back from Chookie regarding your question Kerryn.  She said if you are using 1/2 and 1/2 then you only need to add  just a little more water, if it is lumpy then add more. A dessertspoonful should be enough.
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Post by: KerrynN on April 30, 2011, 04:15:46 am
Thanks JD and Chookie!
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Post by: Cornish Cream on May 02, 2011, 07:23:12 pm
I used this recipe today for the first time to make a loaf of bread,had fantastic results.Thanks Chookie for a wonderful recipe. :-*
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Post by: judydawn on May 03, 2011, 01:41:51 am
I've yet to make it as a loaf CC, must try it.  It certainly is an easy, failproof recipe and a good one for people to try who are starting off making their own bread or rolls.
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Post by: fundj&e on May 03, 2011, 11:12:19 pm
I have been making this recipe for a while,  always with a few changes
The best so far
 
1 cup wholemeal flour and the rest of the weight in white flour
Whey as a replacement for water
Honey as a replacement for sugar
And 1 teaspoon of bread improver

Sometimes I will soak cup of dried fruit in milk for hour the add to it

DH gives it 10/10
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on May 25, 2011, 06:28:56 am
I have made this bread today, I am not sure where I went wrong but it hasn't risen much and it is quite dense, so a heavy texture to this bread.

I made the cobb loaf on this site - that was perfect.

Also made the focacia from EDC that seemed good.
So I have no idea where I went wrong with this bread, I used a silicone loaf tin, it slipped out no problem, just not risen much and dense, but it is nice and crispy on top!

Hally
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on May 25, 2011, 11:05:02 am
I don't know what went wrong for you Hally, everyone seems to have success with this recipe.  Was your water warm and not too hot?  Your yeast must be OK if you have had success with other loaves.  Did you use bakers flour?  Did it double when you left it in the bowl before you put it into your loaf container for the second rising or was it just not rising full stop?
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Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on May 25, 2011, 11:18:23 am
Had it doubled in size before you baked it?  :)
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Post by: Halex on May 26, 2011, 02:45:55 am
OK - it didn't seem to rise in the TM bowl at all,  I left it for 30 mins - maybe not long enough, then I transferred it to the loaf dish and it rose to the top.

The bread was lovely toasted, so we all had it toasted with the soup.


I have another batch on - I will leave it in the TM bowl for 1 hour this time. I also added 1 tsp of bread improver this time.

I would really like to get the hang of this bread as a good loaf is nice tohave with soups for the winter and buying them at the bakers are pricey.

I will let you know how the 2nd one goes.

Hally
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Post by: Halex on May 26, 2011, 03:06:51 am
Forgot to say I use Lighthouse Bakers Flour - this has alwasy worked for me previously with pizza dough.

Does anyone suggest another flour to use?

Hally
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on May 26, 2011, 05:26:40 am
I use Laucke's Wallaby Bakers Flour Hally, I think a lot of the girls do as well.  It shouldn't make that much difference though.
This time of the year the first rise may take a little longer than 30 minutes if just left sitting on the cupboard.  I tend to put the TMX bowl/dough into my bed with the electric blanket on or wrap a blanket around the TMX bowl/dough and that way it still usually only takes just over 1/2 hour in the colder months.  When it starts to push the MC off, it is ready so perhaps use that as a guide.
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Post by: Halex on May 26, 2011, 05:55:43 am
Aah added heat would help - thanks for the tip

also mc being tipped off is a good one too

the loaf today was much better - i think I didnt give the first loaf enough time to rise

Hally
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Post by: Katya on May 26, 2011, 08:40:03 am
  I tend to put the TMX bowl/dough into my bed with the electric blanket on 

Do you read it a bed-time story as well JD  ?  :D ;D ;D :D ;D
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Post by: judydawn on May 26, 2011, 10:45:03 am
 ;D ;D ;D ;D No but I do praise it when it rises  :-)) :-))
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Post by: triley on June 06, 2011, 11:49:24 pm
Was reading all the posts yesterday morning (as it was a Public Holiday and I had time) and decided I might give these a go.

OMG!  They are fantastic!  DS Teen said "pretty good".  I will take that as a big compliment.  Thankyou Thankyou.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on June 07, 2011, 04:26:00 am
I have just made the dough, I now have it in the jug sitting near my gas fire in the hope that it rises well. Rising was a big problem for me, so let's hope it works

Hally
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Post by: achookwoman on June 07, 2011, 05:32:38 pm
Hally, great work,  congratulations.   Now for variations.
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Post by: Halex on June 08, 2011, 12:42:28 am
Thanks achookwoman, I hear your the bread lady. Looking forward to getting more adventureous

Sounds like you are having a great trip.

Enjoy

Hally
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Post by: judydawn on June 08, 2011, 01:48:49 am
Chookie's right Hally, once you master a recipe it is then so easy to move onto other things.  I had no luck with bread to start with but after my first success, I will now try anything and rarely have a flop. It is the best feeling, taking a loaf or a batch of rolls out of the oven - no matter how often you do it, it is still a wonderful feeling and I take each and every thing into DH to show him. He probably thinks, oh no not again  :D :D
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Post by: fundj&e on June 08, 2011, 02:58:54 am
how funny is that i do the same to DH hes reply all the time is ,"that looks good love" but sometimes he does not even look at it  ;D
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Post by: Halex on June 08, 2011, 03:09:03 am
That's hysterical - we are all the same ;D

Thanks for all your encouragement , what bread should I try next?

Hally
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: triley on June 09, 2011, 05:47:15 pm
Warning:  One should not fall asleep whilst dough is in the thermomixer rising!    :-))

Who knew so much dough could fit through the MC hole.   :o

Well it was midnight when I woke to this so just chucked it in a bread tin and turned the oven on and put if straight in whilst it was heating up.  Looks like a nice loaf of bread but I'm sure those Teenage DS's will confirm this one way or the other in the am.  They wll be slightly devasted however that there are no actual rolls. :D

Trish
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Post by: Cornish Cream on June 09, 2011, 08:47:54 pm
Warning:  One should not fall asleep whilst dough is in the thermomixer rising!    :-))

Who knew so much dough could fit through the MC hole.   :o

Well it was midnight when I woke to this so just chucked it in a bread tin and turned the oven on and put if straight in whilst it was heating up.  Looks like a nice loaf of bread but I'm sure those Teenage DS's will confirm this one way or the other in the am.  They wll be slightly devasted however that there are no actual rolls. :D

Trish
This did make me laugh..... :D :D
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Post by: judydawn on June 10, 2011, 01:14:48 am
Thanks for all your encouragement , what bread should I try next?
Hally
OK, Hally my suggestion for your next recipe is  bagels.

  (http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=3217.0[/url)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on June 10, 2011, 06:48:58 am
Ooh I love NY style bagels.
Thanks Judy.

Will let you know how they go :)

Hally
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Post by: Bedlam on June 14, 2011, 01:15:04 pm
Thanks Chookie, I have never made bread before, now made your recipe 4 times and the last batch I was so proud of. Oh how I love thernie ( first name basis now!)
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Post by: Decadent Dot on July 13, 2011, 07:58:13 am
Warning:  One should not fall asleep whilst dough is in the thermomixer rising!    :-))

Who knew so much dough could fit through the MC hole.   :o

 
Trish

This really made me chuckle, especially as it is just the sort of thing I would do.
DD
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Post by: Bedlam on July 13, 2011, 09:38:44 am
Trish, that is so funny. Not so funny for me with my last batch of rolls,was having my oven on grill! Flat very brown things that ended up in the bin.
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Post by: achookwoman on July 13, 2011, 10:16:39 am
I keep thinking of Isi's comment about the dough looking out the hole. 
Bedlam,  I have tried to bake with no heat on in the oven ;D ;D ;D,  You might have to get some chooks,  and the rejests will come back as eggs. :-)) :-))
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Post by: Bedlam on July 13, 2011, 10:19:12 am
Chookie,I have been working on that! Things take time down here!! ???
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Post by: Bedlam on July 19, 2011, 09:39:28 am
Just felt I should say thanks again for this recipe. I have been feeling so proud of my bread using this recipe as a base.( my family are fed up with me saying how clever I am). Today made 9 large rolls ,plain. And a loaf with pepitos,sunflower and sesame seeds in and on( it just looks lovely and tastes wonderful) If I knew how I would post a photo( mind, I think my family would think I was taking things too far). THANK YOU.
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Post by: dede on July 19, 2011, 10:03:18 am
Just felt I should say thanks again for this recipe. I have been feeling so proud of my bread using this recipe as a base.( my family are fed up with me saying how clever I am). Today made 9 large rolls ,plain. And a loaf with pepitos,sunflower and sesame seeds in and on( it just looks lovely and tastes wonderful) If I knew how I would post a photo( mind, I think my family would think I was taking things too far). THANK YOU.

Well done Bedlam. I am always saying "God I'm good" as well. Thanks to the TM I seem to have a lot more success with finished products
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Post by: achookwoman on July 19, 2011, 10:03:59 am
Bedlam,  my pleasure.  Go for it,  you can do so many things with a basic recipe.  I have started teaching the next generation how to make bread.  Had the 8 year old GD over to stay and she made 2 bread sticks which she took home.  Very proud.  
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Zbee on July 28, 2011, 01:36:36 pm
Thanks so much for this easy recipe. Tonight was my third batch, I made them with 320g white flour, 200g wholemeal and I included 1Tbsp of Vinegar into the 300mls as a bread improver and they turned out great. Even DH said maybe the TMX isn't so bad!! Thanks again.  :)
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Post by: Lellyj on July 30, 2011, 03:17:22 pm
Thank you!  The first time I made these rolls I think I was a bit impatient and didn't allow them to rise long enough, took the dough out of the tmx bowl, as I was in a hurry then couldn't decide if they had doubled enough!  Anyway, had another go, left the dough in the bowl as directed, and made the most divine bread rolls ever!  Was very proud of myself!  It's true--no fuss!!
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Post by: judydawn on July 31, 2011, 01:25:16 am
This recipe is a little beauty Lellyj.  I mainly use this one now, just vary it by making different shaped rolls.  I would be happy to serve them up to Chookie herself - wonder if she would recognise them as being hers  :D :D
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Post by: Frozzie on August 08, 2011, 01:45:19 pm
just made this recipe again today in a loaf....even forgot about it for a little while while on second rise and still turned out great  :)
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Post by: Bedlam on August 08, 2011, 04:33:19 pm
This is my base recipe for most of my bread,I love it. I put seeds in and slag the top,then sprinkle seeds along the top. Looks so pretty and always works.
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Post by: achookwoman on August 08, 2011, 09:42:54 pm
Bedlam, so pleased you like it. GD, 6 years old, made bread roll'grapes''.  We put a little green food dye in with the egg wash for the leaves. You just pull a grape from the bunch to eat.  Great fun for the kids.
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Post by: CreamPuff63 on August 09, 2011, 01:23:04 am
I put seeds in and slag the top

ha ha... noice!     ;) that auto correct has some wonderful words up its sleeve  ;D
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Post by: Frozzie on August 09, 2011, 07:29:45 am
Bedlam, so pleased you like it. GD, 6 years old, made bread roll'grapes''.  We put a little green food dye in with the egg wash for the leaves. You just pull a grape from the bunch to eat.  Great fun for the kids.

chookie after reading this the other day I noticed on a local cooking comp show 'Un diner presque parfait' they had also done the bread roll grapes..how funny  :)
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Post by: achookwoman on August 09, 2011, 08:59:55 am
Frozzie, I got the idea from Farfallina.
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Post by: Frozzie on August 09, 2011, 09:19:00 am
ah ha...its probably a thing over here and i just havent noticed  :)
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Post by: CreamPuff63 on August 09, 2011, 09:46:03 am
did you take a photo chookie? I just googled bread roll grapes and nothing came up. Would it be like the Flower Bread concept?
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Post by: Frozzie on August 09, 2011, 09:55:28 am
cp chookie did post a photo somewhere i think or maybe im mistaken..??...maybe previously on this link or another... ???

but here are two pics for you one cooked in one style and another uncooked in another style

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Post by: CreamPuff63 on August 09, 2011, 10:45:37 am
thanks frozzie - great pics - its very similar to the Flower Bread then, which has one roll in the middle and the others surrounding (like a flower)
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Post by: Frozzie on August 09, 2011, 10:56:56 am
i guess you could be as creative as you like with bread as long as you allowed for the rising so it still looks like tis supposed to once cooked!
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Post by: judydawn on August 09, 2011, 10:58:22 am
Here (http://thermomixtarifdefterim.blogspot.com/2011/02/grape-cluster-bread.html) is farfallina's recipe off her blog - it is also on our forum but without the photo
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Post by: achookwoman on August 09, 2011, 11:04:40 am
Hi all , can't remember where I put it,  but will try and post it here.
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Post by: Frozzie on August 09, 2011, 11:07:59 am
did you put the cherry tomatoes and basic leaf in each roll chookie or is it just bread??
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Post by: judydawn on August 09, 2011, 11:25:45 am
It was in the What are you cooking today  (http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=320.msg92009#msg92009) thread Chookie.
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Post by: achookwoman on August 09, 2011, 12:32:30 pm
Frozzie, just bread.  Put a little green food dye in the egg wash for the leaves.  Not as beautiful as Farfallinas,  but the point was for Claire to make it.
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Post by: Bedlam on August 09, 2011, 12:40:27 pm
She looks so proud,Chookie. And rightfully so.   What a wonderful grandma you are.
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Post by: Frozzie on August 09, 2011, 12:54:01 pm
I dont know chookie I think its pretty good... :)
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Post by: Mum to Four on August 15, 2011, 04:19:58 am
Thank you so much for this recipe!  I have been trying to make bread for what seems like forever (pre thermomix days included) and stumbled across this recipe accidently last weekend.

It's a hit with the kids, easy to make, keeps well and economical! 

Has anyone added grains or fruit to this mix?

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Post by: fundj&e on August 15, 2011, 04:33:57 am
Yes to both. i use 1talbespoon of poppy seed, sunflower, linseed and sesame seeds.
For the fruit mix i use about 1 cup of mix fruit soaked in cup of milk (for about 10 min)

ciao
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Post by: achookwoman on August 15, 2011, 06:44:29 am
Mum to four,  this is a basic recipe,  intended to get you started.  Just like it has you.  As fundj has suggested,  you can add various grains or seeds or fruit.  You can roll the loaf or rolls in seeds or crushed grains.  I bring to the boil,  whole wheat, let it cool and freeze it in 150/200 lots.  When I want a wholemeal roll or loaf,  I just substitute it for some of the flour in the recipe.  If the grain is very cold,  make the water warmer,  and if it is very wet,  add a bit more flour.
With this basic recipe ,  you can experiment with the shape of rolls, or bread sticks or loaf.   just have a go and good luck.
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Post by: Molly on August 22, 2011, 12:08:40 pm
I just made these the other day....  and they were really heavy.   :-\  What did I do wrong??
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Post by: Frozzie on August 22, 2011, 12:47:12 pm
did you follow the recipe and allow it to rise properly twice...??? and not overdo it either...the dough should double roughly in sizer each time....the first rise then form into shape wanted ie rolls, loaf or other then let rise a second time before cooking....heavy dough is either due to certain flours being used or not being able to double rise...it can take a while longer in cooler temps and also never let dough rise in an area where there is a breeze or change of temp...the temp should be fairly constant..most just leave it in the bowl for the first rise (i think it states in the recipe anyway) then the second on a baking tray, loaf tin or other ready to be cooked once risen a second time....hope this helps  :)
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Post by: LeeJ on August 22, 2011, 12:54:43 pm
Oh no Molly, perhaps we had bad weather and it didn't rise properly?

Is your yeast still active?

This works every time for me.
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Post by: achookwoman on August 22, 2011, 01:27:23 pm
Molly,  have another go.  If they are still heavy we will walk you through it ,  step by step.  They shouldn't be heavy.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Molly on August 22, 2011, 02:27:57 pm
I'm using instant dried yeast.  And it's newish.
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Post by: judydawn on August 22, 2011, 02:31:28 pm
I know it's hard to revisit a recipe that has failed Molly but have another go because this one works for all of us.  It is so simple to do.  Just write down exactly what quantities you are using, your method, the exact name of each ingredient you are using (eg Wallaby bread flour), times etc as you do it and if it doesn't work next time, post it and we will see if we can pick where you went wrong.
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Post by: Katiej on August 23, 2011, 12:20:47 am
I'd definitely try again Molly.

I'd never made bread before owing my Thermomix.  My first few attempts to make bread (using recipes from the EDC or from here) were really bad.  Then I tried this recipe and actually made bread that looked like and tasted like bread!  I was so pleased  :)

Now I make bread every weekend and have tried lots of different sorts of bread and recipes, all with success.  I think you just need one good loaf to get you started  :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Molly on August 23, 2011, 03:33:40 am
Okay,  I"ll give it a go....  Before I do though....  should I be using 'strong' flour?  I used the Lighthouse bread and pizza flour. 
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Post by: judydawn on August 23, 2011, 03:50:06 am
Well, that is a bread flour Molly so I can't see anything wrong with that.  Just a thought, how warm is the water you are using - if it is too hot you will kill the yeast.
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Post by: LeeJ on August 23, 2011, 04:50:50 am
I use just regular plain flour  :D Still gives a great bread!
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Post by: Molly on August 26, 2011, 01:47:28 am
A quickie before I cook these rolls (they're onthe tray, rising):  SHoudl I put a dish of water in the oven?  I've heard it's 'the thing to do' in bread making. 

???
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Post by: LeeJ on August 26, 2011, 03:55:14 am
I have also heard this too, I don't do it though lol

I do shake some citric acid in to help it prove (just for future batches ;) )
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Post by: Frozzie on August 26, 2011, 06:59:42 am
the pot of water is just to create a nice crust...creates humidity in the oven which is good for baking bread  :)
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Post by: Molly on August 26, 2011, 07:38:56 am
OKay,  these ones worked out much better.  BUT...  still not as light as it could be.  I'm going to try plain flour next... and then I'll give it up.  :)
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Post by: Brunette on September 15, 2011, 10:14:50 am
Using this recipe for my first attempt at TMX bread - I've used malted flour in the main mixed with some white bread flour (about 350g malted to 150g white). On its first rise now - fingers crossed!
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Post by: achookwoman on September 15, 2011, 11:01:43 am
brunette,  will be interested to know how this turns out,  and what type of malted flour you have used.  The loaf I made with commercial malted grain was !00g to 420g white. Next time i will try 50g  of Malted.  Dh loved it , but I found it a bit strong,  although very nice toasted with Honey.
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Post by: Brunette on September 15, 2011, 12:22:56 pm
It's in the oven now - it didn't rise enormously so I'm not very hopeful!

will report back
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Post by: achookwoman on September 15, 2011, 12:40:27 pm
Brunette, please do.
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Post by: dede on September 15, 2011, 01:06:34 pm
I made this recipe into a loaf, Every thing was looking really good until I put the dough into the tin to rise after a double rise before that. The poor dough looked quiet small in my huge bread tin. It only seemed to rise to half the size of the tin. I baked the bread and it tasted fine but looked a little small. I think that my bread tin is just too big for the amount of dough. I brought myself a new tin today so should be much better. Will try again.
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Post by: Brunette on September 15, 2011, 01:24:28 pm
well it did rise in the oven and tasted lovely but it was a bit dense and doughy despite a 50 minute bake. I used Doves Farm malted bread flour (I'm in the UK) and next time I think it needs to be half and half with white flour to be successful.

I glazed with egg and sesame and nigella seeds and the crust was lovely

I have a photo or two but they seem to be too big for me to post
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Post by: Brunette on September 15, 2011, 01:28:44 pm
hold on - maybe this will work...

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Post by: Cornish Cream on September 15, 2011, 01:31:46 pm
well it did rise in the oven and tasted lovely but it was a bit dense and doughy despite a 50 minute bake. I used Doves Farm malted bread flour (I'm in the UK) and next time I think it needs to be half and half with white flour to be successful.

I glazed with egg and sesame and nigella seeds and the crust was lovely

I have a photo or two but they seem to be too big for me to post
I use Waitrose Organic Malted Grain Bread Flour with great success using Chookies recipe. ;D
http://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Organic-Flour-Malted-Grain-Bread-Waitrose/42513011
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Post by: Cornish Cream on September 15, 2011, 01:37:43 pm
Nice loaf of bread Brunette  ;)
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Post by: Brunette on September 15, 2011, 08:26:56 pm
thank you! will try the waitrose flour next time
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Post by: achookwoman on September 15, 2011, 10:44:04 pm
Brunette, this loaf looks lovely.   Follow CC advice and I am sure you will make an excellent load. 

Dede, let us know how you go with your new tin.
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Post by: Cornish Cream on September 18, 2011, 06:14:13 pm
This is my loaf of Chookies wonderful No Fuss Bread recipe made with White/Oatmeal White bread flour
(http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad348/Cornish_cream/ae7f95cf.png)
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Post by: achookwoman on September 18, 2011, 09:38:10 pm
OMG, CC thic looks beautiful.   How much oatmeal have you got in it.?
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Post by: achookwoman on September 18, 2011, 09:42:11 pm
Yesterday I made bread sticks,  one to eat and one to freeze.
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Post by: JulieO on September 18, 2011, 09:52:38 pm
Cornish, perfect looking loaf  :o

Chookie, this is my favourite recipe for sticks too, looks good.  :D
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Post by: dede on September 18, 2011, 10:14:48 pm
Wow your bead looks so good. Why don't mine turn out like that. I need a smaller loaf tin I think is my problem. I have this huge tin which produces long low loafs. Or I need to make a double batch.
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Post by: fundj&e on September 18, 2011, 11:21:29 pm
Dede, i love my huge tin.
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Post by: judydawn on September 19, 2011, 12:19:13 am
Needing to bake some bread today and would love to make a double whammy like you did fundj.

My largest tin is 24cm x 11cm x 10cm deep - will that hold 2 lots of your dough Chookie and can I just put a tray on top to get a square loaf? Maybe it will need to be weighed down with something?
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Post by: dede on September 19, 2011, 02:42:34 am
That looks good fundj. That's what I need to do. Now I have 2 TM bowls it will make it easier. Thanks for that. My tin is 33cm x 15cm
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Post by: fundj&e on September 19, 2011, 02:57:10 am
dede my is 40 x 11  with a lid
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on September 19, 2011, 03:56:23 am
Wow that's a big tin. 2 loafs in one. I just am having no real success with bread as yet. But I will get there sooner or later. Maybe it's my stupid oven. I can't have the temp to high cause it burns the bottom of things. What temp does everyone else use? Maybe I need to get the bread maker out again.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on September 19, 2011, 04:05:37 am
With this loaf temp is 210 and it takes 30mins
After 20min i take the lid off, bake a further 5mins then 5 mins more out of the tin 
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on September 19, 2011, 04:08:10 am
If i had my temp at 210 I would end up with charcoal bread. Although that may be good for the bowles I don't thing I could get the kids to eat it. Lol.
I WANT A NEW OVEN. Boo hoo.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on September 19, 2011, 05:51:48 am
dede is your oven a gas oven or electrique..if its gas you need to use a lower temp and put the rack up higher
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on September 19, 2011, 06:25:49 am
No it's electric with a hidden element in the bottom. I have had trouble with it since I brought it. I cook everything at 160. Any higher than this then everything burns on the bottom. I cook everything on the top shelf. I should of paid a little more to get a fan forced oven. I'm kicking my self now. The oven is only about 2 - 3 years old. Do you think I could convince DH I need a new one?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on September 19, 2011, 06:28:42 am
Can you lie to your DH, dede ;)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on September 19, 2011, 06:29:24 am
Of course. I'm a woman. Lol
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on September 19, 2011, 06:59:14 am
Dede,  nothing as bad as a BAD oven.  Try putting an oven tray or a roasting dish  1/2 full of water right on the floor. Put the bread as close to the top, allowing for it to rise.as suggested by Frozzie.
With the large bread tin,  screw up some foil and fill 1/2 the tin with this.  You will have 1 rough end , but the loaf will rise. Wish I lived closer so I could give you a hand. 
If you have a cast iron pot,  line this and put your bread in this , lid on for first  20/30 mins.  Still try and deal with the burning problem.
I had problems with my Chef oven,  it would turn off when it reached 200 o C.  They said it was a faulty Thermostat,  but after replacing it twice I got rid of the oven.
Judy has been cooking bread in her Weber BBQ.  Between all of us we should be able to work something out.


Judy,  put a tray on top for the first 20  mins.  You might have to put an ovenproof dish on top.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on September 19, 2011, 07:16:21 am
Nice ovens on grays at the moment shame its pick up only from syd, vic and sa
  http://www.graysonline.com/search.aspx?q=wall+ovens
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on September 19, 2011, 08:06:33 am
Thanks guys. I really want to make a successful loaf. My oven says do not place anything on the bottom. I permanently have a tray on the bottom rack that I some times put water in depending what I'm cooking. And as my oven isn't very big it does limit the area quiet a bit. I think I might bite the bullet and get a new oven soon. I talked to DH and he agrees we need one. Just have to find the funds. I could go interest free just have to do my home work what we can afford.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on September 19, 2011, 08:13:03 am
dede do u have a bbq with a hood we have made bread in it and pizza. pizza are really really good
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on September 19, 2011, 09:20:10 am
Mandi, have you ever had the repair man out to look at your oven?  How frustrating.  How do your cake and biscuit recipes handle it. Have you put a thermometer in there to check the temperature? 

Chookie, my largest tin is nowhere near as long as fundj's so I don't think I could get 2 lots of dough in there but will try the lid method in the smaller tin next time for a square loaf. Today's was cooked in the weber because I am waiting for my oven to be fixed - you just have to check on it to make sure it isn't getting too dark on top.  I find high is a bit too hot so it pays to start off on high then turn it down to low. It has been a great standby when the oven is unavailable.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on September 19, 2011, 10:14:03 am
Judy,  could you make 1 1/2 times the mix?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on September 19, 2011, 11:00:10 am
I could but not without help from you Chookie  ;D ;D
How long would I need to knead it?
The first rise would have to be in a bowl other than the TMX bowl I take it.
How long would I then cook it?
Answer these questions for me and yes, I would try it. :-* :-*
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on September 19, 2011, 11:37:42 am
Mandi, have you ever had the repair man out to look at your oven?  How frustrating.  How do your cake and biscuit recipes handle it. Have you put a thermometer in there to check the temperature? 


Judy I haven't had anyone look at it cause I think its just how it works and I have learned to cope with cakes and biscuits cooking them all at around 150o without to much problem, But things like muffins, scones, bread etc work better at a higher Temp and I just cant push the Temp up to much without having issues so try to cook it all at a lower Temp. I don't seem to have any issues cooking rolls, they seem to work really well and the muffins I turn the temp up and get a good result but have to be really careful. But Bread I have failed every time to get a perfect loaf.
I think a fan forced oven would make a huge difference.

Oh and I haven't tested the temp with a thermometer but would be interesting to see the variations in temp at different levels in the oven.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on September 19, 2011, 11:52:31 am
Judy,  1 1/2 times.....750g flour
                              450 water
                              3 teaspoons yeast
   Knead 5 mins,  prove in large dish, covered with Glad , 45/60 mins
   Form into loaf,  rise in tin,  probably 30/40 mins
   bake at 200/220o C for 30 mins in tin , remove from tin and bake 15 mins on shelf in oven.

If you can wait till Wednesday i will try it as i am not sure if the TMX can cope with this amount.  I think that there is a discussion on the Forum somewhere about TMX capacity.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on September 19, 2011, 11:56:38 am
Thanks Chookie.  I can wait, I've just made a loaf today so that will last us for a few days and I have reserves in the freezer.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on September 19, 2011, 12:34:16 pm
Time to confess i have been doing 830gram of flour........ i know its a no no
But this it what i do
 add water salt sugar and oil 2 mins 37 speed 1
Add only 200gram of flour then yeast mix 1 mins 50 speed 3
Add 630g of flour, knead for 4 min
 No sign of strangle, no weird sounds.   
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on September 19, 2011, 01:13:24 pm
Thanks fundj,  I just knew you were a bread 'tragic'
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Cornish Cream on September 19, 2011, 01:49:08 pm
OMG, CC thic looks beautiful.   How much oatmeal have you got in it.?
Chookie I only had 400g of strong white flour so I added 120g of Oatmeal White bread flour.It says on the Oatmeal packet it contains Wheat Flour,10% Flaked Oats,10% Oat Bran,10% Pinhead Oatmeal, so I can't say how much I really used ??? 36g??Tasted good though  ;D This is the bread flour I used.
http://www.allinsonflour.co.uk/products/oatmill-white-bread-flour.html
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: astarra on October 07, 2011, 08:59:37 am
OK I just made these to have with our tea tonight, turned out PERFECT, DH impressed too!! So a big thumbs up and thank-you from us all!! :D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on October 07, 2011, 11:30:39 am
astarra,  so pleased you like them. ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Judydg on October 16, 2011, 03:40:12 am
Hi, can someone help with a question? If you want to have fresh from the oven rolls but don't have time to do the whole receipe, can you do to a certain stage then put in fridge/freezer and bake later? E.g I am out from 3 to 6 today but want hot rolls with dinner so can I prepare to stage 2, put in fridge before I go out then put them in the oven when I get back?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on October 16, 2011, 03:44:50 am
yes you can, but you need to bring the dough back to room temp or a least 1 hour b4  baking

thats what i do if i want fresh hot rolls early in the morning (leave in fridge to do 2nd rise from the night b4 )


Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on October 16, 2011, 04:28:59 am
I would spray them with
 water so that they don't form a crust,  which will stop them rising.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on October 16, 2011, 05:58:03 am
Made a batch of this dough when DD rang to say they would be 'down in an hour'.  I knew they had not long had breakfast so thought I'd make a batch of cheeseymites as a snack for them.  I've never made them before, had the first rise out of the way before they arrived and the dough rolled out to a rectangle so that the grand-children could help me spread the vegemite and cheese.  Used dental floss for cutting through as per a hint on the forum (Faffa using cotton) and boy did they go down a treat.  Everyone had a hand in making them - it was a nice experience and I'm surprised there is still 1 left.  
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on October 16, 2011, 07:32:33 am
Judy, you have really moved along with your bread making.  You are even getting the timing right.  With the bread demo, last  Thursday, one group made pizza scrolls.  you should have heard the OOs and ARRs.   The kids just love eating what they make/cook.  good on you Gran.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on October 16, 2011, 07:38:44 am
Would you believe DD2 has never made bread in her TMX Chookie - she now has ideas of making these for GD's lunchbox.  I did notice that GD likes the tops and not the bottoms (she had about 4 tops) so in the end I was cutting the top thicker and thicker. Grandma is smarter than GD - at the moment anyway  :P :P
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on October 16, 2011, 10:12:53 am
I have never made cheesymite scrolls. I have seen Kathryn's children enjoy them though. I wonder if the 'car club' boys would enjoy mini ones? Might have to try it.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on October 16, 2011, 11:39:21 am
Cookie,  the Car Club "boys" might like them with cheese and ham in them.   Not everyone likes vegemite. I do. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Bedlam on October 16, 2011, 03:24:55 pm
Well done JD you must of impressed them.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on October 16, 2011, 11:10:20 pm
These sure did Denise, I don't know how many times they were all saying 'these are delicious' when going back for more  :D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: CreamPuff63 on October 24, 2011, 02:34:23 pm
what is the max kg for the TM? I have had to replace 2 x bowls because of a "worn thread". I would be very hesitant to load up but am interested in knowing how you are going with the heavier mix. perhaps the heavier mix is ok provided you are only kneading and not blitzing?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on October 25, 2011, 06:08:14 am
CP,  I only really feel happy using up to 600g of flour.  I have used 750g with the sour dough but this happens when I am playing around with the mixture.  If I want more dough, i make 2 lots.

Todays' effort....Cheese and bacon Scrolls
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: maddy on November 05, 2011, 06:26:34 am
Yummy chookie!  :-*

Those wilton heart shaped tins from target, made beautiful dinner rolls using your recipe

(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt266/nachothecat/104_7302.jpg)

I placed a heavy tray on top of the 2 tins  (spraying base of tray with canola spray.......your tip  ;)), cooking the same time listed.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on November 05, 2011, 09:04:38 am
Maddy,  these look sooooooo good.   Have you considered cutting out the centers and using the shell as a pie case.?  I did this with round rolls during the week and filled them with curry mince.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: maddy on November 05, 2011, 09:11:40 pm
No I hadn't considered that......but I will now  :P  Fabulous  idea!

When we put all the food out on the table at the bbq, hubby came over to me and said "Someone out smarted you....look at those rolls"..... LOL


Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on November 05, 2011, 09:59:28 pm
Maddy,  that made him sit up and take notice. 


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No I hadn't considered that......but I will now  :P  Fabulous  idea!

When we put all the food out on the table at the bbq, hubby came over to me and said "Someone out smarted you....look at those rolls"..... LOL



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Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on November 05, 2011, 10:04:32 pm
Love it maddy, your DH should have know his DW was the innovative cook who came up with this idea.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on November 06, 2011, 05:18:29 am
Oh Maddy, they look amazing, i would  like these tins now :D

Just made these rolls.

Did 1 rise until doubled or more.

Rolled out in to ball shapes, slashed, brushed wih oil. Straight into my cold oven, turned on and cooked for 20 mins, perfect. Used my bread roll pan, perfect crispy rolls. My oven has rapid heat up so probably took 1 min or less to get to temp,

My solution for quick 1 rise rols in the week.

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on November 06, 2011, 05:26:32 am
And here's the proof that it worked
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on November 06, 2011, 06:21:24 am
Hally,  does this solve your problem of hot bread for dinner?  They look great. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on November 06, 2011, 06:46:35 am
Thank you

Yes it does, be great when i get my 2nd bowl and blades. I pm'd you
H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on November 08, 2011, 11:06:41 pm
Yesteray i made this as a loaf, did 2 rises and it wasnt very tall. I used a large loaf tin.

I also bought a whte loaf from a very good bakery, the bought loaf was twice the height and much lighter in taste.

How can I get a taller lighter loaf.

The rolls are perfect, just not as happy with the loaf.

Thanks

Hally :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on November 08, 2011, 11:54:03 pm
The commercial bread is full of air ,water and yeast.  All cheaper than flour. 

The loaf should be similar to the rolls,  make sure you do a full double rise each time,
Spray the loaf with water for 2nd. rise
Put dish with water into bottom of oven
Best placed in HOT oven.   The cold oven ,  I don't recommend this for loaf.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on November 09, 2011, 04:52:35 am
Thanks chookie, i ddnt spray with water, will do next time :)

Hally :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: leilalinda on November 20, 2011, 04:42:49 am
I have only had my Thermomix for a week and have been looking for an easy white bread for kids lunches, am going to try this now. Thank you :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on November 20, 2011, 04:48:43 am
leilalinda,  let us know how you go.   Ask for help if need be. ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 07, 2011, 01:34:55 am
Making my first bread, just need to know if I have to spray or line my loaf tin?

Can I add herbs to the top of the loaf before cooking?

Thanks

DG xxx
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 07, 2011, 03:28:26 am
In the oven. I sprinkled some italian herbs and cheese on top.

Fingers crossed xxxx
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 07, 2011, 03:31:50 am
you can line it or spray it . its to late now
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 07, 2011, 03:34:30 am
I lined it fundj, thanks for replying though.

Can't wait to see how it turns out. This is my first bread trial. I have made the scrools before but not bread.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 07, 2011, 03:38:51 am
can you see it in the oven is it looking good? its the best feeling when you take it out of the oven when you have the prefcet loaf  i sure our one will be prefect
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 07, 2011, 04:00:02 am
Looks good, will post a photo soon
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 07, 2011, 06:36:28 am
Thanks Uni.  I have been out all day so thanks for reply.  Dizzy,  as Uni says you can add to top or into mix.  Also up to 1/3 of your choice of grain or whole meal or rye flour.  It will not rise as much.  Let us know how you go with your first loaf.  It is really such fun. ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 07, 2011, 09:28:35 am
The bread was absolutely delish, nearly all gone  :D

Will definately make again.

Thanks for your advice and encouragement.

DG xxxx
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on December 07, 2011, 09:30:11 am
Wanted to show my visitor how the TMX makes a loaf of bread so I used this recipe for the loaf this morning - it rose so high, she was very impressed.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 07, 2011, 10:15:05 am
Dizzy,  glad you liked it,  congrats on your first loaf. There will be no stopping you now and the family will think you are so clever.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 07, 2011, 08:31:36 pm
Going to make another loaf today as DS7 has been sick all night and is at home.

Might make some pizza dough to freeze too. I am on a roll now, no stopping me LOL
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on December 07, 2011, 09:22:53 pm
Go dizzy  ;D  sorry to hear about DS though...  :(
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 07, 2011, 10:18:11 pm
Dizzy,  sorry to hear that you have a sick son.  Hope he is better today.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 07, 2011, 11:06:19 pm
He is getting better as he is driving me mad  :D

I am going to leave him at his grandmothers so I can go grocery shopping, or we will be going hungry LOL

Thank you for your kind thoughts

DG xxx
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 08, 2011, 12:24:04 am
Good idea,  that's what my kids do,  leave the sick kids with us,  and we love it.  Usually not so sick by the time we get them. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 08, 2011, 07:02:53 am
That happened today, poor little man was white as a ghost this morning but when I picked him up this afternoon, he was right as punch. Grandmothers are god sends.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: auds on December 08, 2011, 07:32:13 am
I am going to try these. My first bread making effort. One question - what is white flour what kind of flour - thanks
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 08, 2011, 07:44:47 am
just the normal  plain flour ,works great.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: auds on December 08, 2011, 07:56:42 am
thanks for that - off to try it now.  Hope it works out - a lady at the class i was at today said she has had no luck with the bread.  I directed her to this site and told her one of you experts could probably help her  ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Cornish Cream on December 08, 2011, 07:58:53 am
Auds I always use what we call here in the UK  "Strong Bread Flour" I think you call it "Bakers Flour" in Oz.I bake on average 4-5 loaves a week,it's a superb recipe  ;)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: auds on December 08, 2011, 08:50:55 am
Thanks all for the tips.  Just one more question how many rolls should I divide it into - never done this before also the dough isn't nice and rounded yet.  Will that matter.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 08, 2011, 08:58:49 am
it depends how big you want your rolls i get 8
the dough needs to double in size
have you left it in the TM bowl to rise if u have it need to peek through the hole
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: auds on December 08, 2011, 09:22:53 am
Its been half an hour its not double probably one and a half times
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 08, 2011, 09:26:45 am
 it will take longer that one hour to rise and in winter up 2 to 3 hours
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: auds on December 08, 2011, 09:28:16 am
Ah OK phew  thanks ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: courton on December 08, 2011, 09:31:17 am
I just made it for the first time in cold rainy Sydney. The dough took an hour to rise the first time, but not so long the second time. Made apprx 14 dinner rolls. Yummy!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 08, 2011, 10:17:48 am
Great advice from every one. ;D Usually 8 to 12 rolls,  as Uni said, depends on size.  Let double in bowl,  for best result temperature should be between 20 to 25 c.   Takes longer if colder.  Look for somewhere warm in the house. When you heat the oven,  put a dish with about 1 cup of water in it in the bottom of the oven. Most of all have fun and don't fuss if you mess it up. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: auds on December 08, 2011, 11:36:34 am
Sorry this was. A huge failure for me.  I made 8 rolls. They didn't rise at all in the oven and I just about needed a jackhammer to cut them. They were very dense.  Won't make again sorry
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 08, 2011, 12:28:51 pm
Auds,  you must not give up.  Answer some ? and we will work out what went wrong.

What flour did you use?
How hot was the water?
What yeast did you use?  and how much? Was it fresh.?
How long did it rise for?  How hot was the oven?

If the dough rose 1  1/2 times in 30 mins., then the problem was after this.  Did it double?  Even if it didn't it should have risen in the oven.  If it over proofs (rises) it can collapse and give a flat hard loaf. 
Many first time bread makers have problems,  but succeed in the end.

If you live close I could give you a lesson,  if not answer the above ? and we will see what went wrong..
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: auds on December 08, 2011, 01:14:28 pm
I used bakers flour and yeast we bought recently.  The water was warm enough I think.the boss said he usually puts his yeast in warm water first to. Make sure it will react before putting in the flour. I left it for ages. At one point it didn't get any bigger and my kids were starving. By that time it had been sitting for about two hours
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 08, 2011, 01:28:06 pm
Not sure but you may have a problem with your yeast.   The water should be warm like a baby bottle.  100 mls of boiling water to 200mls of cold gives the correct temp.  If the yeast is ok there is no need with this recipe to add it to the water first.  Just put it all in the TMX bowl and knead for 4 mins.  Leave in bowl , in a warm place.  Should reach top of lid in 1 hour.
The yeast has to be kept air tight.  Some people keep it in the freezer.  Please have another go when you have time and the kids are not starving.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on December 08, 2011, 03:09:22 pm
Sorry to hear about your problem with this recipe auds..I would listen to chookie and give this recipe another go...its a good basic recipe to have that works and not many have any problems with it...you just need to find out where your going wrong whether that be the yeast or over rising the dough etc, water too hot also salt can kill the yeast so they cant touch..anyway perservere..chookie is a great bread maker and the recipe is a solid one so hang in there  :D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: auds on December 08, 2011, 11:20:22 pm
I will give this another go over the weekend. Thanks all  :-*
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 08, 2011, 11:52:33 pm
auds, I made this on Wednesday (my first ever bread) and it was delicious. I placed the bowl near the gas heater (as it was a cold day) and it rose nicely. Also after spraying with water I sprinkled some dry Italian Herbs and grated cheese on top before baking.

Keep trying hun, I know it is disappointing when a recipe doesn't work but as the saying goes "If at first you don't succeed, try and try again".

Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: auds on December 09, 2011, 12:03:54 am
I wasnt giving up on bread I was just going to try another recipe.  Now you lot have made me determined to stick with this one until I get it right LOL
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 09, 2011, 12:39:07 am
auds,  that's the spirit.  If you want to try another recipe,  try Isi's Portuguse Rolls.  They got a lot of Forum members making bread for the first time.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: luel on December 09, 2011, 07:01:09 am
Like many other have said, this is an awesome bread recipe.  I've tried quite a few different recipes now and this one gives the yummiest loaf.  If using just white flour the rise is fantastic.  I tend to mix in about 100-150gms of wheat grain/buckwheat (ground first).  The rise isn't as high, bread is slightly denser (not much) and its delish.  I also add 2 Tbsp of chia gel (chia seeds soaked in water).  To compensate for the extra moister the chia gel brings, I increase the flour content to 540gms.  So far I haven't had a bad loaf.  I also add about 4 Tbsp of other seeds.  I was using Lupin flour for a while too (about 50gms, instead of the buckwheat), but with this loaf it makes it just a bit too dense.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 09, 2011, 09:16:31 am
luel,  I am so glad to hear of your experiments and successes.  Like you I hardly ever make the same loaf twice and therefore never get sick of this recipe.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Lilli33 on December 11, 2011, 12:07:07 pm
Hi guys, I just want to check, the final rise is best done with the bread already formed or in the container you want to cook it in right? That will have it cook at its fluffiest. I usually take the dough our of my bread machine and then roll or shape, but so far haven't let it rise again (as its done two) but it does seem denser.i think I need to let it rise again before cooking it.

Also noted someone mentioned not to let it rise too much? What is meant by that...is a third rise too much? Am new and haven't opened my thermie yet, but am going to start just doing the dough in it and do the two rises... one in bread mat and one in the rolls or tin etc.

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 11, 2011, 08:12:16 pm
Hi guys, I just want to check, the final rise is best done with the bread already formed or in the container you want to cook it in right? That will have it cook at its fluffiest. I usually take the dough our of my bread machine and then roll or shape, but so far haven't let it rise again (as its done two) but it does seem denser.i think I need to let it rise again before cooking it.

Also noted someone mentioned not to let it rise too much? What is meant by that...is a third rise too much? Am new and haven't opened my thermie yet, but am going to start just doing the dough in it and do the two rises... one in bread mat and one in the rolls or tin etc.

Thanks guys!

After you remove the dough from your bread machine,  it needs to rise again, to nearly double.  If you over rise it this time, it may collapse.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 11, 2011, 11:33:01 pm
Took my herb and cheese version of this to lunch at SIL yesterday. Everyone loved it and my DH nanna thought it was bought bread and when I said I made it, she was very impressed.

Thanks again
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on December 12, 2011, 12:37:14 am
High praise indeed.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 12, 2011, 12:58:55 am
 Dizzy,  congratulation.  You are now a registered member of the Bread Tragics Club


.                                                                                                                                                                                      ;D
Took my herb and cheese version of this to lunch at SIL yesterday. Everyone loved it and my DH nanna thought it was bought bread and when I said I made it, she was very impressed.

Thanks again
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 12, 2011, 03:07:41 am
Thank you for allowing me into the "Bread Tragics Club" I feel really honoured  ;D

I am getting pretty obsessed with bread making now and have asked Santa for all things bread. Another bread bin and bread loaf tins in various sizes. Also lots of preserving jars for jams etc.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 12, 2011, 04:03:27 am
$1 dough scraper is a good stocking filler and a thermometer to stick in the bread to check that it is cooked. Go Dizzy go. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 12, 2011, 05:23:44 am
mmmm must add them to my letter to Santa  ;D

Is the thermometer a bread one or do you use a meat thermometer?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 12, 2011, 06:08:34 am
Dizzy,  not a meat one.  Don't know what it is called!! Took a photo so you could see what it looks like.  Maybe you could send this to Santa.  You stick it in the loaf and when it registers 200 Fahrenheit,  it is cooked.  If not put back in oven 5/10 mins.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on December 12, 2011, 07:20:30 am
I've got a digital one and I love it. I haven't used it for bread yet, only cakes.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 12, 2011, 07:59:19 am
Cookie,  mine is very old but still works.  What temp do you expect from a cake when it is cooked?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Lilli33 on December 12, 2011, 10:13:33 am
Ah great this is good to know, I didn't realise ( though now I think about it, it would be logical) you can check temp.

I bought a dough scraper, plastic and flexible for $1.90 with free del I think on eBay... Used it on the weekend, so simple n easy!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 12, 2011, 11:26:50 am
Ah great this is good to know, I didn't realise ( though now I think about it, it would be logical) you can check temp.

I bought a dough scraper, plastic and flexible for $1.90 with free del I think on eBay... Used it on the weekend, so simple n easy!

And won't cut you silicon mat.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on December 13, 2011, 03:27:03 am
Chookie I pm'ed Andie for the information. She said 1000C for the cake. I find it works well for me as I was having a few raw cakes in the centre.

Oops, it was 99 for the cake. This (http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=6675.msg88102#msg88102) is where she mentions it.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 18, 2011, 04:27:22 am
Just looked at achookwomans $1 loaf which was based on this recipe. My loaf is always denser than what hers looks like. Is that because I use bakers flour, or is that how it should be. It tastes great though
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 18, 2011, 05:13:41 am
DG,  try adding 20mls more warm water.  Flour is all different,  DO use Bakers flour.  Let me know how you go. ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Tam on December 18, 2011, 09:29:20 am
Has anyone left this dough overnight to prove? If so, is it best to pop it in the bottom of the fridge, covered? I want to have them for DH's lunch tomorrow but don't want to be up at 5 making them :P
Thanks!! :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 18, 2011, 09:43:25 am
yes after the 1st rise, covered with glad wrap, any where in the fridge will do

i am making 90 little rolls tomorrow  :D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 18, 2011, 10:55:17 am
yes after the 1st rise, covered with glad wrap, any where in the fridge will do

i am making 90 little rolls tomorrow  :D
But you must bring them back to room temp before you can cook them.
They only take 2 hours to make from the time you put the flour in the TMX bowl, until they are cooked.  If you start at 10.00am they are ready for lunch. At 12.00. During this time you only spend about 10 mins. Attending to the rolls.
If you use the cold oven start they are even quicker.  Less than 1 1/2 hours.
You could also under cook them and then stick them in a hot oven for 10 mins.  This is what I do, In fact I am doing it for lunch tomorrow.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 18, 2011, 11:04:43 am
achookwoman i think what tam is saying is she need to make the bread  so hubby can take it to work for his lunch.

thanks i did forget to mention the room temp bit mybad  :-))


Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 18, 2011, 06:50:27 pm
achookwoman i think what tam is saying is she need to make the bread  so hubby can take it to work for his lunch.

thanks i did forget to mention the room temp bit mybad  :-))

Thanks Uni, 



Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Tam on December 18, 2011, 10:02:52 pm
yes after the 1st rise, covered with glad wrap, any where in the fridge will do

i am making 90 little rolls tomorrow  :D
But you must bring them back to room temp before you can cook them.
They only take 2 hours to make from the time you put the flour in the TMX bowl, until they are cooked.  If you start at 10.00am they are ready for lunch. At 12.00. During this time you only spend about 10 mins. Attending to the rolls.
If you use the cold oven start they are even quicker.  Less than 1 1/2 hours.
You could also under cook them and then stick them in a hot oven for 10 mins.  This is what I do, In fact I am doing it for lunch tomorrow.
Thanks again ladies!!!!!  I like the idea of par baking - can you please tell me how long to do the 1st cook??? I'm presuming it's about 2/3rds of the total cooking time????
Thanks again. :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 19, 2011, 12:05:19 am
Tam,  rolls about 15 mins, not brown,  bread sticks 20 mins.  again not brown.  Put into hot oven to reheat. 200 to 220o C for 10 mins.  Depends on size of rolls,  I usually make 8 from a mix. When the shown Bread Sticks are re heated,  they will be crisp and brown.  I usually spray with water before I put the in the oven to re heat.  I am very fussy about the end result     .Second photo of same bread sticks reheated the next day for lunch.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: courton on December 19, 2011, 10:22:01 am
Achookwoman, you are a wealth of information. WOW!!! :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 19, 2011, 10:42:23 am
Courton,  just here to share, like many other Forum members. ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 19, 2011, 12:25:51 pm
 Made over 90 rolls this morning  ;D

rare beef burgers
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on December 19, 2011, 12:30:30 pm
Who ate them Uni?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 19, 2011, 12:36:16 pm
for a offsite job for 60 ppl, poor damien is still there  :(
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on December 19, 2011, 01:46:40 pm
i made garlic butter scrolls using this recipe for lunch..was nice just need to tweek the garlic butter...needed more salt and maybe some chilli or something ..and think next time ill let them rise slightly a second time once rolled and cut  ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Tam on December 19, 2011, 08:41:47 pm
Thanks again ladies.  Well my first attempt at bread in the TMX wasn't a total disaster........I halved the amount after the 1st rise, stuck half in the fridge wrapped in baking paper and a towel (that was one of my mistakes as I have just gone to get it out of the fridge and there's a crust!!!!!!!!! Have managed to get to the middle of the dough to get 4 mini rolls for hubby's lunch today - that's if they rise :()
With the other half I made rosemary, oil, garlic and sea salt scrolls - they looked lovely going into the oven but I didn't have them all together on the tray and they cooked in about 12mins (I had set the timer to 15min and thought I'd check them). Anyway, my little girls still thought they were wonderful - even though they were rather crispy!!!!! ;D
I Have learnt a few lessons in breadmaking. :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 19, 2011, 10:33:01 pm
Well done Tam, it is so satisfying when you succeed with bread.

DG xxx
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 19, 2011, 11:30:42 pm
Tam,  we all learn by our mistakes.  My chooks love mistakes ;D ;D ;D ;D

Cover dough in or out of the fridge with plastic.  I use a cheap shower cap over a bowl as you can see through it. Spray with plenty of water.

Kids love home made bread.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: snappy on December 20, 2011, 01:35:59 am
With 20 pages of glowing recommendations I've decided this must the first bread I try in the TMX.  I've used Laucke's wholewheat flour as that's all I had in the pantry so hopefully it should turn out alright @ ;)

The dough is proving in the oven as we speak!  I'll report back once the rolls are done - although I think I will do breadsticks for dinner tonight.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 20, 2011, 02:12:23 am
Should be fine with Laucke Wholemeal flour.  Their Sourdough Rye is also good.  let us know how they go.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: snappy on December 20, 2011, 03:43:47 am
Well it made two large breadsticks.  And one has been completely devoured within 15 minutes of coming out of the oven!   :-))So it's a definite hit at our house and I will be printing this one out for my recipe cards.

I made some fresh butter whilst it was cooking, and combined with some pear jam I made last week it was delicious.

The other breadstick will be demolished at dinner time!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 20, 2011, 04:04:57 am
No stopping  you now snappy

do you think the other breadstick will make it to dinner  ;)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 20, 2011, 05:46:13 am
Snappy,  great work.  You are on a 'roll' now. ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Tam on December 20, 2011, 08:11:24 pm
Hi ladies,
Boy, am I asking a LOT of questions!!! ;D  I really do appreciate everyone's help :)
I made another batch of these rolls yesterday and was so impressed with them - much better than the first attempt however they were a little undercooked in the middle.  They were nice and brown on top (sorry, can't remember how long they were in for.......... definitely a much shorter time than suggested in this recipe as last time I burnt them after 15 mins) so that is when I took them out.  I noticed that the bottom of the rolls weren't as brown so could it be the egg wash that I used???  I'm thinking if I just used water than I could have left them in a little longer?
Perhaps I need to get a thermometer.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 20, 2011, 08:14:34 pm
Tam, check your oven temp..
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Tam on December 20, 2011, 08:29:27 pm
Tam, check your oven temp..
I don't think this is the problem as I reduced it to 200C - I know my oven runs hot (maybe it runs hotter than I think???) I bought an oven thermometer last week but will have to return it as it's about 100degs off the mark!!! LOL
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 20, 2011, 10:10:16 pm
Tam please don't worry about asking questions, I do it all the time.  LOL

I am definately not a confident cook and am so glad for all the help the loveley members have given me.

I haven't made rolls yet, only loaves so I am sorry I can't help you.

Have fun

DG xxx
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on December 20, 2011, 10:29:35 pm
You do sound as if you have a temperature problem Tam.  Try just spraying the rolls with water, I don't know if anyone else uses egg wash for their bread/rolls but I haven't read too many recipes which call for it. Are you putting the tray too high in the oven, try the middle shelf. You aren't making the rolls too big are you.  I use about 40g for a dinner roll. Glad to see you haven't given up, once you crack it there will be no stopping you.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 20, 2011, 11:04:38 pm
Re ad your post,  still think you have an oven problem.  I sometimes use egg wash,  this will just give a slightly darker shine to the rolls.  You could turn the rolls over after about 7 mins. into the cooking time.  Keep trying,  you will get there.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Tam on December 21, 2011, 08:55:17 pm
Thanks ladies,
about to try again - I may have them too high in the oven. :)Didn't think about that one!!!!!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on December 22, 2011, 01:06:40 am
Tam I have a weird oven but I have learned to handle it. I don't take a lot of notice of oven temperatures, I know how my oven does things best. In my oven 200 would be very hot indeed. I sometimes start loaves at that and then drop it back.
If you don't know your oven I agree that a oven thermometer is the best bet.
I'll look forward to reading about the results.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on December 22, 2011, 04:40:38 pm
 I got an oven thermometer recently and its the best thing i ever did...online manuals were telling me gas mark 6 was 180 when in fact it was over 200..in my oven anyway so now i understand why i was having so much trouble burning the bottoms of biscuits etc..now perfect...and im at the correct mark of between 4 and 5..really is a good thing to have if your oven is being naughty and isnt accurate plus it lets you know if your oven is off sink with the regulated temp your setting it at..and they dont cost that much at all..you can pick them up quite cheaply!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Tam on December 22, 2011, 08:33:22 pm
Hi ladies,
Thought I'd report back to say that I made the spelt breadrolls from the EDC and they turned out perfectly!!!!  Thanks Judy for mentioning the tray position in the oven - Ididn't think it was me getting my temps wrong as I cook in it all the time and believe that it only runs about 5degs hotter than it should.
You may notice that there is a missing one - couldn't wait until they cooled to try them!!!!
They look very rustic but I'm sure I'll get better as time goes by........
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 22, 2011, 09:03:43 pm
they look good tam.  ;D

Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on December 22, 2011, 10:00:57 pm
Congratulations Tam, they look great.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 22, 2011, 11:06:23 pm
great work Tam.  Try a few different shapes.  The flat hamburger ones are handy.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 22, 2011, 11:19:26 pm
this is my fav shape and easy 2  ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on December 23, 2011, 12:23:00 am
Well done Tam. Are you hooked now? :D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 23, 2011, 02:39:38 am
I like snails,  I think the knots that Tam has made are the most difficult. Uni,  do you cut yours almost through.?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 23, 2011, 04:57:24 am
yes i do achookwoman, i think a bit 2 much what do you?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 23, 2011, 05:03:53 am
yes i do achookwoman, i think a bit 2 much what do you?

Depends how you are going to eat them.  If you eat them as part of a meal, them they are fine.  However if you wish to fill them then probably don't cut them so deep.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 30, 2011, 12:41:59 am
I had a look at Robins Kitchen and all they had were meat thermometers or this one.
Is this what I should buy for bread and cakes?
http://store.robinskitchen.com.au/progressive-digital-thermometer.html (ftp://http://store.robinskitchen.com.au/progressive-digital-thermometer.html)

Thanks
DG xxx
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: KerrynN on December 30, 2011, 01:15:41 am
You have all inspired me to make another batch of rolls. I have had a lot of hit and misses with bread, so will double check everything you all suggested to Tam, especially the oven tray position.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on December 30, 2011, 01:57:19 am
Link not working for me DG.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: DizzyGirl on December 30, 2011, 03:07:59 am
I am at work today (very quiet and I get to leave early) so I will try it at home. Sorry JD
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on December 30, 2011, 05:27:44 am
Didn't work for me either DG. It sounds like the one I have.  If this (http://store.robinskitchen.com.au/catalogsearch/result/?q=digital+thermometer) is the one it's like mine and works ok.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: nola276 on December 30, 2011, 06:03:07 am
I really am hopeless at making bread.  I have tried these rolls on two occasions, both times they turned out like hard little stones and ended up in the bin.  I was determined to do it properly today.

I warmed up my water and added the sugar and yeast, let it sit for 10 minutes to get nice and frothy.  Then I added my flour, salt and bread improver (which I didn't put in the other two tries).  Kneaded for 2 lots of 2 minutes and gave it an extra 1 minute just to be sure.  Let it rise in the jug in my laundry, which is like the entrance to hell when I keep the connecting door to the kitchen closed and the air conditioning out of it.  I even covered my jug with a heavy towel.  Half an hour later I peeped in and joy of joy's my dough had doubled in the jug.  Getting it out was another story.  

Dough stuck to me, my hands, and the jug, forcing me to fight with it to claim my share.  Eventually got enough onto my tray, shaped into buns of fairly uniform size.  I then sprinkled poppy seeds on top, sprayed them with water, covered them with gladwrap and left them to double in size.  When I popped my head in 1 hour later, BEAUTIFUL buns, ready to be cooked, so I turned the oven on and tried to take the gladwrap off the buns. :o  Of course, I had not reckoned with the dough sticking to the gladwrap, and had to fight the gladwrap for my rightful share of the dough. :-))  This  resulted in victory for me over the gladwrap, and bread buns sulking, demoralized, dejected and downright deflated.

So, as I write, they are once again sitting in the entrance to hell, deciding whether they will rise yet again to see another day or not.  I have spoken very nicely to them, and have even thought about installing some lovely soothing music in the laundry (well it may help me anyway).  Must go now, as the leftover dough in my jug has tripled in size and is threatening to overtake the liberated buns on the tray.  I will let you all know whether they are successful or not.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: KerrynN on December 30, 2011, 06:40:41 am
I'm glad you are winning so far Nola! Look forward to hearing the result.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: nola276 on December 30, 2011, 08:18:39 am
Yay, Hoorah, slightly distorted but definitely edible bread buns, which we will have for dinner tonight with some of our lovely ham off the bone and a bit of assorted salad. 

When they were cooked, I tried to wrestle them off the open weave mesh that I cooked them on in order to make the bottoms brown.  Well the bottoms were so nicely browned and ingrained into the open weave mesh that I decided to let the cooking mesh eat what couldn't be enticed out of it.  So now we have slightly misshapen almost oval, round buns, without bottoms - but I'm a happy camper.  At least if we close our eyes, we will enjoy our meal.  Learned lots today, my buns will be better tomorrow, and that includes the bread ones. ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on December 30, 2011, 08:47:52 am
Nola I have just had a lovely laugh, thank you. I am so glad you have triumphed over those jolly buns.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on December 30, 2011, 11:04:50 am
Thanks for the laugh Nola. So what did you learn from today's effort- do you think you know where you went wrong?
I just cook my rolls on a reusable tray liner so there is no fear of sticking and the bottoms are always crisp so that would eliminate the problem you had with that. Baking paper would do the job.
My second rise is usually shorter than the first one in the bowl and in your hot laundry it wouldn't have taken long at all, perhaps 15 minutes or so. You can spray your gladwrap to prevent sticking but once again, I use the reusable liners for this job too.
If the dough was too sticky to remove from the bowl, perhaps you need a bit more flour in the mixture.  Did you flour your hands to remove it, did you flour the mat you formed the rolls on.  I don't normally have to do this but if any recipe I try is a bit moist, this is what I do - sometimes that's all it needs to be workable.
Good luck with your next batch, you will crack it I'm sure.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: maddy on December 30, 2011, 11:26:58 am
Lol.....don't give up Nola....these rolls are worth persisting with.
I always rise dough in my Tupperware bowl, use glad bake paper on trays, and spray the glad wrap with rice ran oil spray.
Have always had success.....you will too  ;)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Montoya on December 30, 2011, 11:28:36 am
First time ever making bread rolls and these were a great success! I'm very happy with the result and family LOVED them!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on December 30, 2011, 11:38:28 am
They certainly do Montoya and visitors are always impressed too. Isn't it a great feeling taking a batch of perfect rolls out of the oven? Congratulations on your first effort and a successful one at that.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Lilli33 on December 30, 2011, 12:21:49 pm
Bahahaha, Nola, what a giggle you have just given me. One thing I have found is if you put a bit of oil on your hands if you have to handle sticky dough, you should find it won't stick to them. Also maybe get some of the silpat baking mats? I have a couple on order. You can rise your dough in there too, although they aren't essential.

Not that I'm a bun expert, I'm still working on some truly fluffy buns!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: CreamPuff63 on December 30, 2011, 12:48:10 pm
sticky mixture to me = light, fluffy bread/rolls. You may sacrifice a bit of dough when you get it out, but its not a lot in the long run for a better outcome.

I have a silicone mat and always lightly flour it and my hands too (not too much - think you can also oil your hands and mat...) I only cover my first rise with the mat, and once I have shaped rolls or whatever I don't cover (too messy, or if I do its with the mat again because its easier to clean). Different climates = different methods that work to get the rise without over-rising.

The first rise you need to double in size, and the second rise you just need to puff up a bit as you don't want to take all the rise out of the yeast. For the second rise, it usually takes for me as long as the oven has taken to turn from zero degees to 200 or whatever.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Lilli33 on December 30, 2011, 12:52:11 pm
Great, can't wait for my mats to do the first rise! Thanks CP
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 30, 2011, 01:11:09 pm
Nola, 2 problems.  1 you are using a TC, which will only process 420 g of flour.
                                  2. This is not this recipe.for no fuss rolls.
If you wish to make this recipe, follow the instructions I worked out for Rosie.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Lilli33 on December 30, 2011, 09:23:09 pm
Not sure that there was any problem with the working of the TC though from what I read in Nola's post, it was more about the stickiness and then them sticking and cooking into the tray from memory.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: nola276 on December 30, 2011, 11:14:30 pm
Hi Chookie.  No it wasn't a TC problem, although I did overstep the recommended amount of flour for the TC.  It actually handled it o.k. except for the little dance it did while kneading.  I stayed with it the whole time, so I could prevent it dancing onto the floor, and I turned it off on one occasion when it didn't want to proceed, rearranged the dough in the jug again, and turned it back on with no problems finishing the last knead.

No.  The problems were purely womanmade (new word).  All the things that JD said did you do, I didn't :-)).  I know better now, today it's some more rolls and some pizza dough.  I have got to get this bread thing out of my system before BTDD - Back To Diet Day, which is looming on the horizon.

CP, I think you are right about sticky dough = fluffier rolls.  I have to say that even though they went into a third rise, the end result was the most fluffy, soft, delicate and delicious bread I have ever made, or bought, so much nicer than any I have ever made in the bread maker with bread mix.  Eating in the dark was quite romantic too ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Montoya on December 31, 2011, 03:10:17 am
Thanks JD! I'm really stoked. Will try the toast in the EDC cookbook next, then Isis's rolls.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: nola276 on December 31, 2011, 12:13:09 pm
I was going through my plastic's cupboard today and came across two large vintage Tupperware pastry mats, the ones with the different sized circles printed onto them.  I used one tonight to make the Thin and Crispy Pizza dough, and it was great, I will probably find a home for the other one.  My pizza dough didn't stick to it either, but I must admit I did dust it with a bit of flour.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 31, 2011, 01:55:10 pm
Nola, great to find something you can use.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: nola276 on January 06, 2012, 12:18:30 am
PPO - persistence pays off!  Victory over the buns!  Followed the recipe and JD's tips yesterday and the result was beautiful fluffy very tasty bread buns.  (no icon for singing :-)) - oh well) -  la la la dum dee dum dee diddly aye - in my best shower soprano!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on January 06, 2012, 12:23:45 am
Wonderful result Nola - I bet you are so proud of yourself as we here are too.  To think that I was able to give you advice is amazing too - I am not the breadmaker Chookie or isi are but it just goes to show you do learn something on here ;)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on January 06, 2012, 12:49:42 am
deja vu nola  ;)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on January 06, 2012, 01:23:06 am
Great Nola, recall learn from one another.  That is what the Forum is about.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: nola276 on January 06, 2012, 01:28:48 am
Quote
deja vu nola  Wink
   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on January 06, 2012, 06:08:32 am
Yeah. Well done Nola. :-*
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Molly on February 12, 2012, 12:32:55 am
What do I do here???  Am I doing something wrong???

I have 2 loaf tins.  One aluminium and one 'non-stick'.  I want to put the loaf into the oven with out the tins for 5-10 minutes after they're cooked,  to really crisp them up...  but I cant get them out of the tin when they're still hot! 

I spray both tins with Rice Bran Oil since non-stick doesn't actually mean non-stick.  Grrrrr

Today,  I made this recipe and I left all the crust in the loaf tin  :(
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on February 12, 2012, 12:38:35 am
I'd line the tins with baking paper Molly, use an oven mitt and they should just fall out.
I think Chookie uses canola oil as a spray for unlined bread tins (right Chookie?) and if you sprinkle some sesame seeds over the sprayed tin base, that also helps release it. I'd definitely go with the lining of the tin though.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on February 12, 2012, 12:55:08 am
try not to wash your bread tin to often Molly ,i have only   washed  mine a few  :-)) and i use cake release

 
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on February 12, 2012, 01:36:48 am
Molly,  you certainly are making progress. ;D  Line the tins for a best result or use canola spray,  plenty of it.  The seeds add a nice finish even in the bottom and are a bit of extra insurance with the sticking.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Molly on February 12, 2012, 02:20:02 am
Turns out my hubby is gluten intolerant,  so I've been making a daily rice loaf (mucho yummy).  I've been feeling like bakers delight bread is a bit 'empty' so I've been experimenting with adding some other flours to a wheat loaf. 

Unfortunately,  diet restrictions, can't have sesame seeds.  What a shame.

Okay...  maybe I'll get some of those baking sheet things I can cut to shape??  Then I can re-use it. 

Thanks for your help.  Achookwoman,  I posted a q on your blog on this recipe. 
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Molly on February 12, 2012, 02:48:10 am
Or...  not.  They have teflon in them and I'm not confident in wrapping our daily bread in it. 

*sigh*  It's hard living in this day and age.   :-\
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on February 12, 2012, 04:16:19 am
Molly,  replace the sesame seeds with cracked wheat or sunflower seeds.  You can use Baking paper to line your tins.  I will look at my blog,  thanks.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: SnoozySuzie68 on March 06, 2012, 06:09:09 am
As a very new user (I have only made TM Stock concentrate). I am going to give this a go. Thanks.
Fingers crossed ! :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on March 06, 2012, 06:44:18 am
Let us know how they go and maybe a photo?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 13, 2012, 10:43:44 am
I made this today, stock standard bread in our house.

Did the first rise 1 hour, placed in bread tin, took ds  to school, came back 2 hours later, wow the rise was way over  the tin. popped it in he oven, really lovely looking tall loaf.

Had it with dinner, so yum, so light as well. This was the best I have ever  made this bread. It stands nearly 6" tall. So so crispy,  didnt brush with oil or water, just outstanding. No water in oven!!!

Chookie I expect your loaves are  this high or higher. I am so impressed & so is everyone else :)

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on March 13, 2012, 12:00:05 pm
Hally,  you must have handled the loaf very gently,  as one knock and it would have deflated.  Great when you have a success like this.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 15, 2012, 11:10:23 pm
Well i have another one on its first  rise. Will put in bread tin beforeschool. Have a few things to do, so will have another 2 hour rise, be interested to see if it works as well.

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on March 15, 2012, 11:41:08 pm
Well i have another one on its first  rise. Will put in bread tin beforeschool. Have a few things to do, so will have another 2 hour rise, be interested to see if it works as well.

H :)

Me also,  hally.  Don't knock it or bump it. ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 16, 2012, 04:33:23 am
Magnificent, this one measures full 6" in height. CP named the last loaf "tall bread". He asked if I could make it again and yes bingo i have ;D

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 16, 2012, 04:38:02 am
Hey, where's the photo of this 'tall bread' Hally  ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on March 16, 2012, 05:27:05 am
Congratulations Hally. We love this recipe, I often add seeds to it.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 16, 2012, 06:46:49 am
I thought about it, then laughed!!! Its basic bread. Its been cut into as i had some for lunch, next time :)

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on March 16, 2012, 06:52:53 am
Hally congratulations.  A true Bread Tragic. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 16, 2012, 07:08:53 am
Should have started this one earlier but I decided to give this 'tall loaf' a go as well, it is currently sitting in my bedroom window ledge with the sun hitting the window so if I can get it out of there and into the oven without knocking it, I will post a photo later.  Being a bull at a gate type person, I am going to have to be very careful aren't I  :-))  It is looking good at the moment with 20 minutes to go.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 16, 2012, 08:21:34 am
Looking forward to hearing & seeing your loaf JD

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 16, 2012, 08:46:55 am
Well I thought I'd be a smarty pants and do a twin loaf but it didn't quite work out like that.  It sure is a high loaf Hally and I can't wait to cut into it and see if it is full of holes with such a long rise.

Just cut it and it is not as smooth a texture as a normal length rise but it is pretty good.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 16, 2012, 09:38:06 am
The dip in the middle, did you try & divide the loaf? A bit confused about your double loaf. ???

Ours are not  full of holes at all. The top is so crispy & it tastes yum.

How was yours? How tall???

I do use 1tsp of bread improver.

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 16, 2012, 10:30:32 am
After the first rise, I halved the risen dough and put 2 pieces into the tin Hally to make 2 half loaves - one side must have had more dough in it as it rose more than the other and therefore they didn't join up.  It's quite OK though, I had a piece with jam and cream on it.  I won't do it all the time though - I just wanted to see how it went.  Mine isn't full of holes either but it is not quite as smooth as normal time rising.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on March 16, 2012, 10:56:50 am
Judy and Hally,  what fun you are having.  LOve the photo, it is like the high tin loaves we bought as kids.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 16, 2012, 11:06:46 am
Yes loving "tall bread".

JD we could not get over the crispy crust, amazing. We love this bread.

Will make it again soon.

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 16, 2012, 11:43:46 am
Yes I'm a crispy crust person too Hally and you can't get much crisper than that.  One thing I noticed with the loaf was that it cooled down so much quicker than a 'normal' loaf and the loaf feels so light.  I have separated the 2 halves, it was easier than I thought. mine was the same height as yours Hally, a good 6".
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on March 16, 2012, 10:29:10 pm
Judy and Hally your bread looks wonderful. Bet you were both happy with the end result. I think bread making is such a rewarding recipe to make when it turns out so well.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: shanmac on March 16, 2012, 10:57:13 pm
Hi Chookie - is there a certain brand of bread tin that you use?

Shan
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on March 17, 2012, 04:58:42 am
Hi Chookie - is there a certain brand of bread tin that you use?

Shan

No Shannon,  anything that is the size you want.  just line it.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on March 17, 2012, 07:24:46 am
Great looking loaves. I must try your double idea Judy. We used to be able to buy bread like that when I was a kid, you probably still can.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 17, 2012, 09:55:30 am
Crown Prince requested more "tall bread". Here we go


Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on March 18, 2012, 06:35:45 am
Wowee
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: JulieO on March 18, 2012, 08:48:08 am
ooh that looks good Hally.  Will have to read back to see what you've done differently.  :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 19, 2012, 01:08:33 am
Thanks cookie & julieo.

JulieO, very simple, 1st rise in tm for 1 hour, 2nd rise in bread tin 2 hours.

Straight into hot oven.

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: JulieO on March 19, 2012, 01:19:25 am
Thanks Hally, am going to give it a try.  :D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 19, 2012, 02:12:16 am
Ooh I cant wait to see your bread ;D it will be a masterpiece.

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: JulieO on March 19, 2012, 07:59:55 am
I made Hally's version today and WOW!  Both DH and I think it's the best loaf I've ever made.  The insides are so soft, I mean really soft but didn't break when buttering, (I do add 1 tsp nat bread improver) and yet the crust was so crusty.(my perfect kind of loaf).

I do add cold water to the bowl and heat it with the sugar and yeast for 3 mins/37C/speed 1.5, then add the rest.  I find this makes the bowl nice and warm for the first rise which I ended up leaving for 80 mins (in the bowl), knocked back 1 min/Interval speed, then after shaping and putting in the bread tin, I lightly sprayed the top with water, covered the tin loosely in a clean tea towel and put outside and left undisturbed for just under 2 hours. 

I couldn't believe it when I saw it and the towel hadn't stuck to the top either.  Baked for 25 mins.

Will try doing the rolls in the same way next time I make them just out of curiosity.  :)

Hally, you did good!  :D :D

You can see where the top of the tin is and how much it rose above.  ;D

(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii26/ragdoll128/New%20Savoury/IMG_1601.jpg)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 19, 2012, 08:06:23 am
I agree Julie, we all love this bread. I use the bread improver too.

Its so nice to make a loaf that rises so high &  stays that way. The crust is so crispy & the bread so soft & light.

Your loaf looks fantastic.

Plus think how cheap this is to make ;D

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 19, 2012, 08:29:46 am
My only problem girls is cutting it  :-))  I also found it didn't toast well, how did you find it Hally?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 19, 2012, 08:32:16 am
No problems cutting it & toasts brilliantly for us JD.

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 19, 2012, 08:55:34 am
I'm just a terrible cutter of tall bread, it's not the bread it's me  :P.  Mine toasted around the edges but not the middle Hally.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: JulieO on March 19, 2012, 09:09:05 am
Judy I understand where you're coming from, it was harder to cut than normal, but the knife I'm using now works really well.  (It's only a cheapie but very sharp.)

Will see how it toasts in the morning, but for eating 'fresh' I haven't had one better.

You could always let rise for less time Judy, say 1 1/4 - 1 1/2 hours and see how that goes.  Don't have to let it rise quite so much, might be easier for you, or even split the dough between two separate tins (or a larger tin.)  You would still get the light bread but not as tall IYKWIM.  I think it's worth playing around with for sure. I might even try that suggestion myself; two smaller loaves, one to have straight away and one to freeze.  :D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 19, 2012, 09:16:14 am
Yes, thanks Julie I see what you mean.  The rolls are certainly going to be experimented with too.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 19, 2012, 10:09:31 am
I want to play ;D

Why des the fun start when I am going on holidays >:(

Love to see the rolls.

My toast is golden all over, we do have a new toaster.

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 19, 2012, 10:49:22 am
You go on holidays so much Hally, we would have no fun at all if we had to wait until you were here  :-* :-* :-* :D :D :D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 19, 2012, 11:17:23 pm
Ha Ha :D

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: maddy on March 19, 2012, 11:31:11 pm
Judy, an electric knife works well.
I use a Breville bread cutting thing, it gives you a guide line........must say that is skyscraper bread!  Looks fab.
Would be a great loaf for putting dips inside too, lots of extra bread for dipping, all with the same loaf.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 20, 2012, 12:27:28 am
I had one years ago maddy but never liked it for slicing meat - didn't make my own bread back then though so maybe I could get another one and give it a go.
Great idea to use this 'tall' loaf for dips, baking it in a round casserole dish or a round metal object.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 20, 2012, 02:27:18 am
 ??? ???Confused about dips, casserole dishes & bowls ??? ???

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Cuilidh on March 20, 2012, 03:30:15 am
That's OK, Hally ... you just need a holiday then everything will be clear!

Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 20, 2012, 04:18:16 am
Maddy has a photo of a cob loaf with dip here  (http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=599.0) Hally.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 21, 2012, 02:01:54 am
Hally, I just took the other half of the 'hi loaf' out of the freezer for lunch and within a very short time I was able to carve what I needed quite easily and put the rest back in for the next meal.  What surprised me more than anything was the fact that the crust was still nice and crisp :o
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: JulieO on March 21, 2012, 02:27:53 am
That's great news Judy.  I'm looking forward to making my next one.  We, like you don't go through a lot of bread so it's not something I make every day.  :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 21, 2012, 03:25:58 am
Fantastic JD. I will make a loaf for the freezer for when we return.

Have one on its first rise now.

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: LeeJ on March 21, 2012, 10:56:59 am
Something else to try, the tall loaf!

Out of interest, what improvers are being used here?

Did I see a Foccacia recipe in here somewhere? I'm feeling a little lost  :o
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 21, 2012, 11:06:08 am
I use the Wallaby bread improver, tried the natural suggestion of absorbic acid but my bread making deteriorated so I've got back to what I had success with in the beginning.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: JulieO on March 21, 2012, 10:36:15 pm
I use the Simply No Knead improver that I order from their store.  :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on March 22, 2012, 01:57:48 am
I have a loaf on the go now (first rise)
Going to try Hallys method as well.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on March 22, 2012, 04:36:18 am
I have one in the oven for my friend who is looking after my kitten Tangles.

Hope it works well for you Dede.

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on March 22, 2012, 04:43:47 am
Pretty cold here today so mine will need a while for the second rise. I have just sat it on top of my oven at the moment as I have a roast cooking. Hopefully the warmth will make it rise quicker. :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on March 22, 2012, 06:27:50 am
Well my dough is still rising. Just reached above the tin. Will let it rise a bit longer before I bake it. Second rise so far 2.5 hours.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on March 22, 2012, 08:11:08 am
Ok here is a before and after photo of the bread I made.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/3aa97840-de53-d06f.jpg)

(http://img.tapatalk.com/3aa97840-de63-a0a9.jpg)

Only problem was the whole top was one big air bubble. Looked good though.

So what did I do wrong?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 22, 2012, 09:13:19 am
Guess it is not going to work for everyone Mandi, maybe your cold temp had something to do with it.  I'd just cut the 'air bubble' off and get stuck into it - crust at it's best  ;D 
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Tasty on March 23, 2012, 06:02:15 am
I have had this happen to me when making another bread loaf and I suspect it's because you don't punch the dough down after first rise.

Could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on March 23, 2012, 06:43:00 am
I let it rise until doubled in the TM, then kneaded it for another 4 minutes before tipping it out and kneading a bit longer before I put it in the bread tin for the last rise.
I wonder if it was from the warm heat rising up from the oven? I really don't know.

The bread was still very tasty :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Shazzy on March 24, 2012, 01:49:12 am
This is such an amazing thread full of tips and ideas (Plus its a great loaf - thanks Chookie) - but just a very long one to read! I was wondering how a thread dedicated just to tips on bread making and have it "pinned" to the front of the Bread posts would work - it would be a quick reference guide. Some of the things that I think would be good to have there would be how to par cook a loaf or roll and then finish cooking, What to do if you only make the dough and then want to put it in the fridge for later ect ect. I am trying hard with my bread but unfortunately it doesn't always work and when i go to look for a tip that I know I have seen in a thread somewhere I cant find it!!  Anyway just a thought.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 24, 2012, 03:24:46 am
That's a good idea Shazzy and some of our threads are getting very long.  I am not the bread making Queen though so will leave it  to those who know best to start this bread making reference/tips thread and then one of us moderators can sticky it. Who wants to start something?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: JulieO on March 30, 2012, 03:43:14 am
Am having a go at making 2 smaller loaves of this bread using the extra prooving method.  Am using a bread form tin that holds 4 "Farmhouse" sized loaves (only using 2 at the mo of course).  They are currently outside as it's a warm day, so far so good.  Another 40 mins to go on the 2nd rise.  Will report back if they turned out good.  ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on March 30, 2012, 04:45:47 am
Julie,  will be very interested to see how you go.

Dede, the air bubble may be due to you not knocking down the dough enough ,as already suggested by tasty.  If you roll your dough up like a swiss roll,  it may help to counter this.

Shazzy and Judy,  I have been thinking about this suggestion.  If no one else wants to run with it,  I will have a go.  I need to decide how to organize the information to make it accessible. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on March 30, 2012, 05:20:40 am

Dede, the air bubble may be due to you not knocking down the dough enough ,as already suggested by tasty.  If you roll your dough up like a swiss roll,  it may help to counter this.


Thanks Chookie. I will see what happens next time. I think I kneaded it enough but next time I will knock it down and let it rise a third time see how I go. :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: JulieO on March 30, 2012, 05:41:55 am
Chookie, they turned out brilliantly!  Your recipe plus Hally's longer proving time is a total winner for me.  :D

I'm now confident to next time make 4.  I won't double up the recipe as it might not bide well with the TM, so instead will make one lot of dough, remove bowl from the TM and let it start its first rise (80 min) and immediately mix another lot in my second bowl. 
At the end of the first rise, I'll be able to put each bowl back into the TM to do the knock down and continue from there to make 4 of these sized loaves, 1 for immediate use and 3 to let cool and then freeze.  Very happy.   :D


(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii26/ragdoll128/New%20Savoury/IMG_1654.jpg)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on March 30, 2012, 05:54:34 am
Julie,  these are beautiful.  Why would anyone buy bread with all the nasties.?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on March 30, 2012, 07:18:27 am
They look great Julie, Hally would be pleased  :D

Thanks Chookie, knew we could count on you to put your thinking cap on.  Shazzy has asked a couple of questions so perhaps if you address her questions first. 
1)  How to par cook a loaf or rolls and finish the cooking later
2)  Making the dough, refrigerating it and cooking later

If anyone else has a question for you, you can add that to your original thread which we can sticky for you so that it is always at the top of the bread section.

 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on March 30, 2012, 08:14:03 am
Julie those loafs look great. Bet you were pleased with the result.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Shazzy on March 30, 2012, 08:43:10 am
Sorry Chookie didnt mean to make more work for you!  I had a few other questions but just need to remember them :-)) Maybe when I make my next loaf they will come to mind. Thankyou  for doing this.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on March 30, 2012, 08:44:48 am
I love this recipe and use it for all sorts of things. This is the latest, made yestereday for soup.
                  (http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/birdsam/Thermomix%20recipes/P1020325.jpg)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on March 30, 2012, 09:51:12 am
Cookie,  how on earth did you get it so smooth?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: JulieO on March 30, 2012, 10:13:09 am
Thanks Chookie  ;D

Cookie, that looks really good too.  I'm hopeless at braiding, can never get it right.  :P
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on March 31, 2012, 08:07:06 am
I don't know Chookie it just goes like that.
I weigh my total dough quantity and divide it by 4. Then weigh out the 4 pieces of dough. Roll them into a ball and rest them. Then roll them out like a sausage and if they get hard to roll I rest them for a bit and then weave them into the loaf. I try to make each 'sausage' about the same length.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on March 31, 2012, 09:36:47 pm
Thanks Cookie,  will try that next time.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on April 06, 2012, 06:59:22 am
bread making lessons for DD 22 start tomorrow, i will be mixing by hand which i have never done b4

so today while she was sleeping i did a trail run  :o shh don't tell her  ;D

Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on April 06, 2012, 07:03:46 am
How did you enjoy doing it by hand Uni - our TMX's would spoil us wouldn't they  ;)
Great work now you have to do it all again tomorrow.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on April 06, 2012, 07:04:26 am
Uni, these look pretty good,  but if you want any help,  I have posted on my Blog,  No Fuss and Hot X bun recipes for making by hand.  Like you I did a dry run before I took a class for people without TMX.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on April 06, 2012, 07:14:52 am
JD so much easier in the TM, i will let jess do all the work tomorrow

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Post by: cookie1 on April 06, 2012, 10:16:37 am
Well done Uni, they look lovely.
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Post by: fundj&e on April 08, 2012, 05:49:35 am
AND THIS IS WHAT JESS MADE

she is very proud of herself

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Post by: Lellyj on April 08, 2012, 06:41:39 am
Beautiful, Uni and Jess!  Those tall loaves are looking mighty fine too!

I'm sure that I have read through this whole thread at least once, but can't quite remember if anyone has added seeds to this mix?  Don't have time to read through it now and I wonder if anyone knows if that will work?  Thanks, sorry if that's cheeky.


Lx
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on April 08, 2012, 06:47:51 am
Lellyj i add upto 40g of seeds
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Post by: achookwoman on April 08, 2012, 07:55:55 am
Uni and Jess, fab rolls and all made by hand. 
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Post by: cookie1 on April 08, 2012, 08:33:37 am
I made this into a loaf today. I used my largest tin and the bread is enormous.
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Post by: Cornish Cream on April 08, 2012, 08:49:18 am
Congratulate Jess for me Uni,she did a fabulous job. :-*
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Post by: judydawn on April 08, 2012, 08:51:59 am
Great work Uni & Jess - I love the colour of the rolls, can never get mine to look as light as that  :P

As previously mentioned, I made the dough yesterday afternoon, let it do the first rising in the bowl, shaped them into baguette type rolls and placed in the fridge overnight.  I used 1/2 white flour and 1/2 grain flour.  This morning I bought them to room temp for about an hour, slashed and sprayed them then placed them into a cold oven set for 210o and cooked them for 30 minutes.  I was very happy with them and also a bit surprised that they even rose further in the fridge overnight.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on April 08, 2012, 09:59:24 am
Well done Judy.  We never stop learning.
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Post by: judydawn on April 08, 2012, 10:02:19 am
I could probably have cooked them a little less, what do you reckon Chookie - 20 minutes perhaps?
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Post by: Cornish Cream on April 08, 2012, 10:31:13 am
Wow those look good JD  :)
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Post by: judydawn on April 08, 2012, 11:07:49 am
The tray worked well CC, thank you for that  ;)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on April 08, 2012, 11:48:55 am
Judy, 20 mins. Probably plenty. although depends on how long your oven took to reach 210.   Did you turn the tray around half way through?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on April 08, 2012, 11:51:13 am
They look lovely Judy. The 'tray' is amazing isn't it? We have even had baguette shaped fruit bread today.  :-* :-* :-* :-*CC.
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Post by: judydawn on April 08, 2012, 11:52:07 am
Judy, 20 mins. Probably plenty. although depends on how long your oven took to reach 210.   Did you turn the tray around half way through?

No Chookie, why do I need to do that?

Yes Cookie, I love it and it is so much easier to store than metal trays.
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Post by: meganjane on April 08, 2012, 04:34:58 pm
Wow, this thread is 23 pages long! I haven't read it for ages and there's been a lot of experimentation. Love the tall loaves.

I haven't made chookie's rolls for a while as I've been making Teninas Buttermilk Rolls.
I like the idea of starting with a roux. I think I'll experiment with chookie's recipe using a roux starter. Has anyone done that yet?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on April 08, 2012, 09:58:07 pm
Wow, this thread is 23 pages long! I haven't read it for ages and there's been a lot of experimentation. Love the tall loaves.

I haven't made chookie's rolls for a while as I've been making Teninas Buttermilk Rolls.
I like the idea of starting with a roux. I think I'll experiment with chookie's recipe using a roux starter. Has anyone done that yet?

MJ,  go fo it and let us know how it turns out.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: JulieO on April 08, 2012, 10:37:15 pm
Fundj your dtr's rolls look great.  Yours too Judy, I bet they were really good too.  :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Katiej on April 09, 2012, 03:26:50 am
The tray worked well CC, thank you for that  ;)

Great looking bread JD!
What sort of tray is that you've used?
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Post by: cookie1 on April 09, 2012, 05:09:13 am
Tenina did some little rye rolls at a cooking class using a roux. They were so lovely and light.
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Post by: judydawn on April 09, 2012, 06:35:56 am
Katie, here (http://www.lakeland.co.uk/15810/Perfobake-Baguette-Tray) is the link to the baguette tray from Lakeland in the UK.  I haven't seen them in Australia but perhaps someone else has.
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Post by: Katiej on April 09, 2012, 08:38:35 am
Thanks for the link JD
I want one of those!  Actually no I need one of those!!

I haven't seen them in Australia though, I have seen a metal one (Chicago Metallic brand) in some of the online kitchenware shops.  Yours looks heaps better though.

If I order it from Lakeland.uk I'll have to order a few other things just to make the postage cost worthwhile  ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Shazzy on April 09, 2012, 09:20:28 am
Katiej when I went to Yokes sourdough class here in WA she had trays very similar. Not sure if she sells them outside of her classes (I had a quick look on her site Wildsourdough and couldnt see it there) but maybe you could contact her - maybe cheaper postage that overseas!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on April 09, 2012, 09:26:35 am
Katiej,  these look fab and Judy's bread sticks look great.  I bought a 'Chicago'  one for my son for Xmas and he loves it.  I think it was about $30.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Katiej on April 09, 2012, 09:45:34 am
Great thanks  :)
I might look around here for the Chicago one or similar before ordering from o.s.
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Post by: Bonsai on April 09, 2012, 11:43:10 am
The perfobake product looks great but costs 25 GBP to mail to Australia !
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Post by: Halex on April 09, 2012, 01:38:24 pm
Wow all these rolls & loaves look amazing.

I mst tell cp that his name "tall bread" has been adopted, he will love that. ;)

Cant wait to experiment some more. ;D

H :)
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Post by: Vivaroo on April 10, 2012, 11:08:37 pm
I made these for burgers yesterday amazingly worked out my family couldn't believe it!  I got 8 buns out of the mix about 100gms each.  I cooked for 25 mins, in past my bread is always raw in the middle I think it's my oven.  I replaced 100gms of while flour with rye flour and some partially ground sunflower, linseed & sesame seeds. 
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Post by: dede on April 10, 2012, 11:53:05 pm
Vivaroo I know what that's like not having an oven that could do the trick (especially read making)
No problems now I have a convection microwave and a fan forced oven.
Glad you had success :)
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Post by: Molly on April 12, 2012, 01:23:40 pm
Got a perfect Ekco double baguette tray at the Op Shop,  for $1.  (worth $20+)  Dying to make some baguettes now!!!
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Post by: achookwoman on April 12, 2012, 09:23:02 pm
Molly, that is terrific.  I use Canola oil on mine.
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Post by: Molly on April 13, 2012, 03:06:35 pm
Molly, that is terrific.  I use Canola oil on mine.

Anything else I need to know???  :D
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Post by: achookwoman on April 13, 2012, 07:56:45 pm
Can also use it to cook rolls.
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Post by: Molly on April 14, 2012, 02:21:45 am
So,  do you just oil it and then pop the dough in for its second rise ad then into the oven??
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Post by: achookwoman on April 14, 2012, 02:43:15 am
So,  do you just oil it and then pop the dough in for its second rise ad then into the oven??
Molly, yes.  Let it rise for a second time in the tray and the spray with water,  and cut slashes in the top and then into pre heated oven.  I usually cook for 15 mins,  take the bread sticks out of the tray and turn them upside down into the tray and pop them back into the oven for another 5/7 mins.  Let us know how you go. ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Brumington on April 19, 2012, 10:51:24 am
Well, this was only the second thing I have made in my brand newTMX, and the very first thing I made on my own. If everything turns out as good as these rolls, I am already sure I made the right decision to buy one.  I'm really hoping this link works so you can see the photo. Cuffed to bits. 

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5457/6946879336_48ac510d38.jpg
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Post by: fundj&e on April 19, 2012, 10:56:45 am
wow great looking rolls well done Brumington
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Post by: dede on April 19, 2012, 10:59:25 am
Brumington you should be cuffed, they look perfect. And you very first recipe on your own wow. :)
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Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on April 19, 2012, 11:08:45 am
I just can't get this bread to come out right.  Everyone else does so well with the recipe, but I can't master it. I am using my 680g tin for this loaf.  Does that sound right Chookie?
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Post by: fundj&e on April 19, 2012, 11:11:08 am
Chelsea have u tried a free form loaf with this recipe
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Post by: achookwoman on April 19, 2012, 11:36:07 am
Chelsea,  What is the cm.  measurements of the tin?

Brumington,  congratulations,  these are perfect. 
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Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on April 19, 2012, 11:54:24 am
It is 27x11cm Chookie.  From what I have read it seems like it should be the right size tin for a 500g flour loaf but when I let it rise to almost the top of the tin it flops in the oven. If I don't let it rise as much it is a very low dense loaf. ???
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Post by: judydawn on April 19, 2012, 01:07:22 pm
Isn't it strange that some can and others can't have success with this recipe.
Brumington, you must be so proud of your rolls - I know the feeling.
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Post by: Cornish Cream on April 19, 2012, 01:12:40 pm
Great bread rolls Brumington ;)
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Post by: achookwoman on April 19, 2012, 10:06:03 pm
Chelsea, what flour are you using?  The tin size is what I often use.   
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Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on April 20, 2012, 12:12:20 pm
Wallaby bakers flour at the moment. Do you let your bread rise level with the top of the tin Chookie?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Brumington on April 20, 2012, 12:21:01 pm
I've made these again as a loaf with great success. I'll let you know what I did so it might help you to achieve a better result Chelsea.

I warmed the water, sugar and yeast at 37degrees mixing on speed 2 for about 1 min 30. Then let it sit for a few mins while you get the other ingredients. Add the flour and a teaspoon of bread improver along with salt. Make sure salt is on top. Do as recipe states with mixing and resting in bowl. When double tip on to surface and handle as little as possible in order to shape it into the loaf tin. I then put the tin in my warm car for a second rise while I turned the oven on and let it get to temperature.

OK, the oven. Crank it up as high as it will go. When it has reached temperature throw in about ten or fifteen ice cubes and leave for five mins or so. Get ready to open the door and put the loaf in as quickly as possible so not too much steam escapes. I also sprayed the loaf with lots of water too. Ten mins at the really hot temp then turned down to 190 degrees for twenty minutes.  My loaf was beautiful.  I'm hoping this might help you.  

Here's a picture

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7213/7095897007_24a89142fb.jpg

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Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on April 20, 2012, 12:43:36 pm
Thanks for your method Brum.  I haven't heard of throwing in ice cubes.  Do you throw them into a dish??
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Post by: Brumington on April 20, 2012, 12:58:55 pm
Sorry. I didn't make that clear. I have the tin that comes with the oven sitting on the bottom rung of the oven all the time. This would be the one that you'd use to grill your cheese on toast. If you don't have one of these any metal tin will do. When the ice is thrown in it melts on to this tin and creates steam. The loaf is put on one of the shelves above it.  Hope that makes sense.
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Post by: achookwoman on April 20, 2012, 10:11:10 pm
Thanks B.  Good method and well described..
Chelsea,  have you used this lot of flour with success in other loaves?  Why I ask is that I have just had a bag of very poor quality floor from Laucke. My sister has also just had the same experience.  A loaf Baked with this flour doesn't rise properly and has a flat uneven top.
 
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Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on April 21, 2012, 04:27:08 am
I will try another brand next time Chookie.  I used Laucke organic bakers flour for two years but have recently swapped over to wallaby. My rolls are going well but loaves definitely aren't.  :)
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Post by: achookwoman on April 21, 2012, 04:41:25 am
Chelsea, it is the organic bread flour from Laucke that I have had trouble with.
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Post by: Halex on April 21, 2012, 11:19:28 pm
Chookie, i have tried los of different recipes, but you cant beat these. Quick, easy & yum, plus we love tall bread ;D

Thank you

H :)
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Post by: achookwoman on April 22, 2012, 03:46:04 am
Great,  go for it Hally. ;D ;D
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Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on April 22, 2012, 04:37:05 am
Chelsea, it is the organic bread flour from Laucke that I have had trouble with.

Oh no. I will definitely have to change brands.  :)
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Post by: achookwoman on April 22, 2012, 06:21:45 am
Chelsea,  I think that they had a bad lot.  Not sure that it is all like this,  Apparently it was stale.  I am using the organic flour for every thing ,  but not bread.  Good in biscuits. I still think Laucke is the best,  unless you can get fresh flour from a local mill.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on April 22, 2012, 06:25:20 am
I must go to the flour mill this week and get more bread flour. Might get a few different sorts for variety. (I need a bigger pantry)
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Post by: achookwoman on April 22, 2012, 06:27:09 am
Dede,  you are so lucky to be able to go to a mill.  Remember that the wholemeal will not keep as well as the white.
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Post by: dede on April 22, 2012, 06:29:42 am
Thanks Chookie, I didn't know that. Will get a big bag of white, small bag of whole meal and small bag of multigrain. I used to make loaves with half white half whole meal so the kids would eat it. I love multi grain, but the kids are not so keen.
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Post by: Frozzie on April 22, 2012, 07:49:36 am
Good that you can buy small bags from the mill dede .. In our local mill its in gros quantities only so min 20 plus kgs
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Post by: dede on April 22, 2012, 07:54:44 am
They are available in 5, 12.5 and 20 kg Frozzie at our local flour mill. And much cheaper than the supermarket :)
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Post by: kent on April 23, 2012, 05:41:04 am
I just followed this recipe and made some awesome rolls, thanks heaps :-)
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Post by: achookwoman on April 23, 2012, 05:47:06 am
Kent.  that's the idea.  Glad you like them.  You can also make this recipe into a loaf or 2 bread sticks. have fun.
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Post by: dede on May 02, 2012, 12:25:32 pm
Made these tonight and they were absolutely beautiful. I made 16 dinner roll size rolls to have with our soup.  All gone already. 10/10 :D
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Post by: dede on May 02, 2012, 12:25:58 pm
Forgot to add pic

(http://img.tapatalk.com/90891791-19c3-dd76.jpg)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Brumington on May 02, 2012, 12:55:00 pm
This is my favorite bread recipe so far. I've had success every time. Just love it. I actually made a loaf with half whole meal flour and it was beautiful. Thanks again for this fantastic recipe.
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Post by: achookwoman on May 02, 2012, 09:37:16 pm
Dede, look great, perfect with soup.  Have you tried cutting them with a scone cutter?

This is my favorite bread recipe so far. I've had success every time. Just love it. I actually made a loaf with half whole meal flour and it was beautiful. Thanks again for this fantastic recipe.
Brumington,  yes , very easy,  not much to remember and easily adapted.  I make up a mix of seeds that I keep and sprinkle on top.Glad you like the recipe.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on May 02, 2012, 09:40:26 pm
No I haven't tried the scone cutter Chookie. Another great idea to remember :) thanks.
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Post by: fundj&e on May 02, 2012, 10:00:48 pm
i use the scone cutter or the MC when making 100s of them for when DS needs them for a catering job
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Post by: Brumington on May 03, 2012, 07:09:42 am
Fantastic idea.  it makes them look really 'neat'.  i'll try that on my next batch.
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Post by: Blue Wren88 on May 03, 2012, 09:01:03 am
What a great recipe!

Today I made a pull apart with chilli onion spread & sprinkled with cheese.
I ate it with my Broccoli & cheese soup & it was yummy on such a miserable day.

I also made jam drops & then some nut spread.
I never thought I would love my Thermie this much!

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Post by: achookwoman on May 03, 2012, 10:28:29 am
BW,  how great.  Keep enjoying your TMX.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Burgerb on May 11, 2012, 07:14:38 am
Could the advice of freezing and reheating/finish cooking be added to the main recipie? bb
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Post by: achookwoman on May 11, 2012, 09:01:29 am
BB,  I'll see what I can do.  I have tried to keep this recipe simple ,  so as not to put off the new bread makers.
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Post by: Burgerb on May 11, 2012, 09:41:58 am
I understand what you're saying, but it's such great info lost in the depths of the 33pges of this thread!
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Post by: achookwoman on May 11, 2012, 01:11:55 pm
BB, I have added some notes to the original recipe,  and although there is a lot of info.  Posted by many Forum it is often worthwhile reading through what others have written.
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Post by: astarra on August 07, 2012, 05:26:16 am
Used this recipe today for I think the first time... recieved well by all who have tasted it so far. Thanks for the recipe, chookie!  :D
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Post by: achookwoman on August 07, 2012, 07:36:22 am
Astarra,  how on earth did you make it look like this?   Looks fab.
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Post by: dede on August 07, 2012, 07:37:33 am
Wow Astarra, they look amazing :D
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Post by: astarra on August 07, 2012, 07:49:47 am
Astarra,  how on earth did you make it look like this?   Looks fab.

Really easy...just used tins!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on August 07, 2012, 07:52:04 am
Obviously they come out of the tins all right. They look fantastic, my kids would love these. They would be good sliced and placed in the oven until crisp and used with dip. Yum
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on August 07, 2012, 07:56:11 am
Looks good astarra.. If you havent made this rcipe before its also a great and easy loaf with the full amount of ingredients of course..
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Post by: judydawn on August 07, 2012, 09:05:18 am
Is there something at the end which pushes the cooked dough out or does it just fall out?  How much dough do you put in there to start with and do you give it rising time once in there?  Questions, questions, sorry but I do like that idea and need to know more about them.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on August 07, 2012, 10:23:52 am
Me too. How long are the tins and about how round please? Could you make a sandwich using that bread or would it only be suitable for nibbles etc?
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Post by: Frozzie on August 07, 2012, 10:38:36 am
Jd it just comes out normally but guess depends on the quality of the tins you get.. Cookie definately not for sandwiches they are made for aperitive, horsdoeuvres, canapes whatever you want to call them..they are roughly 18 to 20cm long and about 6 to 7 cm wide.. Just a decorative way to make them instead of the typical mimi squares... They are very common here at xmas and festive times and alot of people have either rillettes or similar, foie gras on a sweet bread or other selection of toppings
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Post by: Frozzie on August 07, 2012, 10:44:05 am
How much dough will depend on how big your tins are but no ore than a recipe with 250 g of flour.. The second rise is done in the tins jd..

Im sure astarra wilL get back to uou and tell you how she did hers

They are only usedfor nibbles type food and must be made fresh.. Not bread but when you cut and dress them they need to be served.. Some people use them in place of chips ie you have a few different sauces with a mini butter or pAte knife in each and just cut up the bread in approx 5mm slices and each do their own toppings..

Ive been looking for the mini squares tins but without success.. Only star, heart, flowerand round
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: astarra on August 07, 2012, 10:59:53 am
JD, I just put 1/2 this recipe mix into each mould after the first rise, let it do the second rise in them then baked. They came out really easily, but I had sprayed them as mine are just ss, no non stick coating.

I am doing sandwiches using this bread for lunch boxes tomorrow, just need 2 instead of 1.  :) 
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Post by: achookwoman on August 07, 2012, 01:41:23 pm
Thanks Astarra.  where do you buy them?  I can remember the trouble,  some time back ,  when everyone tried to but Pipe tins.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: astarra on August 08, 2012, 12:05:51 am
I got mine on ebay - searching for bread tins, someone else (Wonder I think it was) ordered a set thru amazon.  :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on August 08, 2012, 01:19:28 am
I got mine on ebay - searching for bread tins, someone else (Wonder I think it was) ordered a set thru amazon.  :)

Many thanks.
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Post by: cookie1 on August 08, 2012, 02:11:52 am
They are lovely. You could give them a slight toast in the oven after they were sliced and use them too I guess.
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Post by: Wonder on August 08, 2012, 02:15:41 am
I've bought the same ones through Amazon. They haven't been delivered yet but will let you all know how I go with them.
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Post by: achookwoman on August 08, 2012, 05:17:42 am
Thanks Wonder ;D
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Post by: Frozzie on August 08, 2012, 06:43:58 am
JD, I just put 1/2 this recipe mix into each mould after the first rise, let it do the second rise in them then baked. They came out really easily, but I had sprayed them as mine are just ss, no non stick coating.

I am doing sandwiches using this bread for lunch boxes tomorrow, just need 2 instead of 1.  :)

They would be some tiny sandwiches 😄
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Post by: astarra on August 08, 2012, 06:46:44 am
small...but cute!  ;)
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Post by: Frozzie on August 08, 2012, 06:51:27 am
Lol im sure the kids loved them..
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Post by: astarra on August 08, 2012, 06:58:12 am
Absolutely!  ;)  ;D  ... and I think they ate more in total than they would have with 1 normal bread sandwich!  :D
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Post by: Jamberie on August 12, 2012, 04:19:46 am
My first attempt at bread in the TMX and they were fabulous! Thank you so much for sharing, these are going to be regulars in our household!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: meganjane on August 12, 2012, 05:29:55 am
For the round shape, I guess you could just use Nut Loaf tins, you know, the old fashioned round tin used for Date and Nut Loaves.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on August 12, 2012, 08:39:57 am
MJ,  for the round sloces I use the Pipe loaf tin,  but these small ones look so dainty. 
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on August 17, 2012, 06:37:26 am
Always a winner here
(http://img.tapatalk.com/3ab2d340-d88d-6ef6.jpg)
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Post by: fundj&e on August 17, 2012, 06:56:38 am
i love pic of bread more than cake ones
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Post by: achookwoman on August 17, 2012, 06:58:11 am
Hally,  your bread always looks amazing.  You are a true bread tragic.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: *suzanne* on August 17, 2012, 07:00:08 am
I have  a bread question if you don't mind.
How long does it stay fresh or should I make it when when we want to eat it?
Thanks xx
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on August 17, 2012, 07:01:56 am
u dont eat bread everyday ?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Wonder on August 17, 2012, 07:10:55 am
We don't have bread everyday uni. None of us have it for breakfast and rarely with out dinner so if we have left overs for lunch there's no bread consumed. I love fresh bread but can go days without eating any depending on what leftovers I have for my lunch.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on August 17, 2012, 07:12:18 am
Thank you.

Chookie remember my first loaf & how hard i thought it was & was going to give up, so much work etc. Then Faffa said you dot just pop to the shops for a loaf of bread, you buy heaps more.

Plus  thank you Chookie for encouraging me.

My family hate shop & bakery bread.  They are getting next weeend though, LOL ;D

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: *suzanne* on August 17, 2012, 07:14:16 am
I don't, Lily doesn't and nor does DH  but my boys do for school.

 I was just curious if I made  a loaf on Sunday would it still be fresh enough for sandwiches on Monday?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on August 17, 2012, 07:16:23 am
days without bread  :o

i am missing my bread ATM  :(  its been about 10 days since my last bread fix  ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on August 17, 2012, 07:19:42 am
Suzanne, yes my ds often has a sandwich from sundays bread for his school lunch :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: *suzanne* on August 17, 2012, 07:32:42 am
Thanks Hally, helpful as always  :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: CreamPuff63 on August 17, 2012, 08:05:18 am
days without bread  :o

i am missing my bread ATM  :(  its been about 10 days since my last bread fix  ;D

whys that uni - are you going GF or is it to do with your teeth?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on August 17, 2012, 08:09:58 am
my teeth CP
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on August 17, 2012, 09:03:32 am
I make bread a couple of times a week.  I also make it when we have visitors as they seem to expect it. ;D  When we have visitors I usually make an 'experimental' loaf.  When i make it just for us,  if a loaf,  i cut it in 1/2 and freeze 1/2 and use the other.  If the moisture content is right it should stay fresh for a couple of days.  I usually wrap the loaf we are using in foil.
Once you get good at making a basic loaf,  you can experiment,  like Hally does.  This is good fun.  I love making other peoples recipes as i learn each time i try something new .  I have been reading about Julia Child as she tried to master the art of making a French baguette.  I felt quite good after reading the trouble she had.

Uni,  I hope your teeth soon get better,  as days without bread are simply awful.  I know how you enjoy making it. 

Hally,  won't hurt CP and DH to have bought bread,  they will really appreciate the trouble you go to to make it for them.

I sometimes buy a bread roll from Bakers Delight, just to remind me of the difference.  I hate to pay 70 cents for such insubstantial rubbish.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: *suzanne* on August 17, 2012, 09:17:10 am
Thanks so much, another question how do you know if the moisture content is right?
I will master the art of bread if it's the last thing I do  ;D
Again thanks so much, your help is very much appreciated xx
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on August 17, 2012, 11:47:15 am
At a recent bread making lesson I held,  I was trying to teach the class ,  by the feel of the dough when it was right water content and texture.  One of the class said that it felt like a Silicon Breast.   8) 8)
Suzanne I hope this helps. ;D   Keep at it and you will get it right.   Better to have the dough a bit too wet than too dry.  You can always add a little more flour.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: *suzanne* on August 17, 2012, 12:24:55 pm
 :D that made me laugh, thanks for the tip but I will have to imagine that one, I'm going to try some bread tomorrow and see how we go
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on August 17, 2012, 01:05:48 pm
Good luck Suzanne, not that you will need it.

We have found that we now really dislike bought bread, even Baker's Delight which is what we buy if necessary. Our usual loaf is Chookie's  Rustic Agrarian Loaf or Isi's with seeds in it. I love trying new breads too Chookie's.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Wonder on August 18, 2012, 06:56:27 am
Used this recipe with my new tins. The kids thought it was great as it expanded everywhere when it proved for the second time and I realized I had bought way too much dough in the tins.(http://img.tapatalk.com/dced0921-2e7d-8e03.jpg)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on August 18, 2012, 07:05:41 am
looks good wonder, did u get a fancy tin thingy  ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Wonder on August 18, 2012, 07:14:53 am
Uni I bought the set of three small tins that a few others from the forum got and put up on the shopping thread. DD has asked if we can cut the bread thinly coat in garlic butter and cook until crisp so I think I'll give it a go tomorrow.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: astarra on August 18, 2012, 08:38:36 am
They work well as garlic bread Wonder... 8)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on August 18, 2012, 09:25:00 am
Wonder,  this is amazing. Congratulations.  Garlic bread, YUM.

When I make a pipe loaf I put in a little less than 1/2 the size of the tin.  You might find weighing the dough would help.  I have had some very funny bits squeeze out of the side of the tin.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on August 18, 2012, 12:40:30 pm
The garlic bread sounds a good idea Wonder.

Chookie's my DH loves the bits that sneak out of the pipe tin.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on September 06, 2012, 07:01:14 am
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/06/y3unuzyj.jpg)

I can't wait until these rise and I bake them. Thank you Michele. Xx
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Very Happy Jan on September 06, 2012, 07:05:10 am
Love those tins Cookie. They must have been on the shopping thread whilst I was too busy to look. Probably just as well  :D :D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on September 06, 2012, 01:57:04 pm
They turned out well. I popped them back into the oven to brown up a bit more. While the oven was hot I sliced the heart shape one and toasted the slices in the oven. They will be handy for dips, cheese etc. I'll do the other two tomorrow. DH kept eating the toasts!!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on September 06, 2012, 10:59:28 pm
Cookie,  what a great idea.!!!!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Wonder on September 06, 2012, 11:51:44 pm
I've made these toasts a couple of weekends in a row now and find this recipe makes roughly 900gm of dough, split between the three tins it's been perfect. This week I added a mixture of salt, garlic, parsely and olive we keep in the fridge to the dough during the second rising. It seemed to take a lot longer to rise but I had also used up some whey instead of water so I'm not sure which resulted in the longer proofing time. The bread has come out very garlicky and DD is still a little undecided which way she would prefer. I've still been slicing and putting back into the oven as that's what she is after for school lunches.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: maddy on September 06, 2012, 11:58:16 pm
Thanks wonder....have yet to use my tins, and was wondering how much dough to put in....will give it a whirl this weekend probably.

P.S.....do you spray your tins?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on September 07, 2012, 12:44:48 pm
I did Maddy. I also put the shaped loaves back into the oven to brown up after I took them out of the tins.

Wonder I will try your ideas with the next lot. How thick do you slice them before you toast them?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: dede on September 07, 2012, 09:15:27 pm
I love the idea of the shaped tins, they look fantastic. :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on September 08, 2012, 12:58:28 pm
My DH loves these now that they have been dried out in the oven. For lunch today he put sliced cheese on some and popped them into the microwave and made cheesies. I want to take them away for nibbles but he is eating them all
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Greyhoundmum on September 17, 2012, 04:32:09 am
Hi Chookie loved your rolls when I made them yesterday.   I have a bag of multi grain bread mix to use up.  Would I follow recipe the same and use bread mix instead of the flour in the same quantities?  I am really not sure what else in in the bread mix. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on September 17, 2012, 05:25:14 am
GHM, the Mix will have sugar and salt and possibly improver added.  Make it just the same but don't add any of these.  have fun.  Hope you are feeling better. ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on September 17, 2012, 05:47:15 am
lucky i didnt answer that Q  when i 1st saw it, i was going to say just add extra water and bob's your uncle lol
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on September 17, 2012, 07:09:32 am
Uni,  your suggestion ,with the extra sug and salt wouldn't have made a lot of difference.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Maddie on October 17, 2012, 10:56:57 am
Hello, this is only my second post I think.  I made these Plain White rolls tonight and they are hard little bricks.  Apart from having no bread improver (and honestly, I am ashamed to admit I don't know what it is, will investigate that), I did exactly as told, but they were hard and doughy.
If anyone is able to give me any idea, I'd be grateful.
Thank you,
Maddie
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on October 17, 2012, 11:58:21 am
Maddie this is your 5th posting.  Your tally of postings is under your forum name/avatar.

Well I don't know what you have done wrong with this recipe.  Did you use bakers' flour, warm water, did you use dried yeast or fresh yeast, did you make sure the yeast was not touching the salt when you put every ingredient into the bowl ?

If the water is too hot it can kill the yeast, if the yeast is not fresh, it will not work.

Have a read of this (http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=6488.0) thread regarding testing of your yeast.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Maddie on October 17, 2012, 12:19:55 pm
Judydawn, thank youfor your post. I appreciate it.  I was using dried yeast.  I am only new to the bread making business.  The yeast and salt may well have touched.  I think perhaps also that I proved it in too warm a place. I was worried that it wasn't proving.

I will check out what you suggested. 

I didn't realise I had posted five times. Gee, almost a regular. lol.

thanks again.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Bonsai on October 17, 2012, 12:24:14 pm
Maddy did your dough double in size before you baked it?  Don't give up, we all had a few dough disasters when we started 😊
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on October 17, 2012, 12:30:40 pm
Keep asking questions Maddie, my first few attempts at bread were terrible and I almost gave up - I am now quite confident with my breadmaking.  You will be so pleased with yourself when you make a successful batch of rolls or a loaf of bread and believe me, that feeling never wanes no matter how many loaves etc we make.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on October 17, 2012, 12:33:28 pm
Maddy,  don't give up.  This recipe was written for you.!!!  The proving temp should be between 20/25 o C.  Too hot and you can kill the yeast.  If the water you add to the dough is too hot this will also kill it.  If the water is too cool, the dough will rise but will take much longer.
Have another go,  and if you still have trouble we will walk you through it step by step.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: CreamPuff63 on October 17, 2012, 02:38:04 pm
Test the water on your wrist (remember the bread is your baby  ;))
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on October 17, 2012, 06:06:01 pm
please  don't give up maddi, you can do this

try heating the water and yeast 1st

1.30 mins  at 37 on speed 1
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: helbels on October 20, 2012, 01:43:53 pm
Made these for the first time today - verdict: very nice!  Crispy and crunchy on the outside, soft in the middle (although I did spray with olive oil rather than water during the second prove).

Will be interested to see how they are tomorrow.  So far every bread I've tried in Thermomix has been nice if eaten on the day of making, but goes hard very quickly from day 2 onwards, tasting more like "stale" bread.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on October 20, 2012, 01:54:10 pm
Usually what isn't eaten on day one gets frozen here helbels, nothing is ever wasted.  I will be interested to see how your rolls are tomorrow.  Perhaps our members can advise you of any loaves, rolls etc which are still fresh on day 2 from their personal experience.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: helbels on October 20, 2012, 01:57:09 pm
Hope so Judy - there's only the 2 of us in our house, so we struggle to get through a lot of things before they go off - I'm getting very adept at reducing the quantities of recipes - I halved the bread dough today and we got 5 large rolls from it... 3 have been eaten, but the other 2 will need to wait until tomorrow!  ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on October 20, 2012, 08:36:03 pm
I find that with this recipe,  the loaf stays fresher than the rolls. As Judy states, when Imake a loaf or rolls, 1/2 gets frozen.  There are also only 2 here.  It also means there is more variety in what you eat. 
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on October 20, 2012, 09:46:26 pm
helbels i have made a 1/4 of the recipe and it did work out great


Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on October 23, 2012, 04:49:26 am
See what I have done to your bread Chooks, lol

Spider dip bowl for Halloween.
Cut top off body, scoop out bread & fill with dip.
Legs need to be thinner & longer.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/asabuseq.jpg)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on October 23, 2012, 04:58:26 am
looks good H  ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on October 23, 2012, 05:01:37 am
Thanks, good plate to take to a Halloween party.

Yes I saw it in a hawaiin magazine for Halloween, sutanas for eyes but coudnt reach them in cupboard, next one :)

They have so much Halloween stuff there. We all bought outfits :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on October 23, 2012, 05:15:55 am
when is Halloween H, the 31?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on October 23, 2012, 05:17:07 am
Hally, love it. Yes thinner legs would be great.  Say hello to CP from us. XXX
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on October 23, 2012, 05:18:30 am
Yes it is, we are doing 3 things if I am up to it

26th halloween party at our gym
31st trick or treating
3rd nov big party to go to,for adults & kids :)

Got to,get this stupid nerve untrapped, but today I feel sooo much better, hence the cooking.

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on October 23, 2012, 05:18:59 am
Hally, love it. Yes thinner legs would be great.  Say hello to CP from us. XXX

Thanks chookie, will do ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on October 23, 2012, 07:51:39 am
Cute Hally.

Helsbels we always freeze leftover bread. I slice it and pack it in lots of 4 slices. Then take it out an hour or so before we need it. Just as good as freshly baked. Try Chookie's sourdough that is nice for a few days if you don't want to freeze it.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on October 23, 2012, 10:51:47 am
Cookie, next one will be better.

JD, Yes the legs rose too much :D, lol, just when I didnt want them too, it was ony a 30 min 2nd rise!!

Cp saw it when he came home, abSolutely loved it, wants salsa in it to look lke a redback. Might make 2 for the party, or do mini rolls with it with different dips inside.

H :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on October 28, 2012, 04:10:53 am
Hi chookie
Actually got to make bread today lol... Anyway new oven, new all mixed in flour (crusty bread laukes) and was a bit of a rush as wanted rolls for lunch anyway verdict nice and crusty outer but slightly doughy inner .. I should have proved them a bit more on second rise but my question is that here the oven is fan forced so what temp do you cook it at.. Ive only ever used gas and standard electric.. Not a fan of fan forced.. I know the general rule is 10 to 20 degrees less but has anyone tried this recipe in fan forced and if so what do you do re temp time etc..

Also not used to this bread mix flour as i always bought flour from mill, fresh yeast etc and added salt and sugr.. Has salt in i gredients but not sugr so added 1 tsp of sugar but no extra salt and the yeast provided in packet (dried).. Is that all you do chookie or anyone using laukes bread mixes??? Oh and of course water.. I also added 350 ml as the individual packs are 600g each??

Not too bad an effort with everything new anyway lol!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on October 28, 2012, 05:51:16 am
I cook these rolls at 200oC F/F Kim and I thought the Lauke premixes had both sugar and salt already added.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on October 28, 2012, 05:53:10 am
Could do jd just on the list of ingredients it only had salt.. Could have missed it though !

Do u have a fanforced oven jd?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on October 28, 2012, 05:54:16 am
Sorry you put ff .. Brain thought fareignheit lol.. Thx jd..
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on October 28, 2012, 05:57:24 am
Judy, has it right.  200FF,  but this depends on oven. Don't add sugar or salt.  Their yeast is very good.  The rolls should not be doughy in side.  Dish with water in bottom of oven.  I would say you didn't let them double, and/or didn't cook them hot/long enough.  This recipe works well with Laucke Premix,  this is what i use.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on October 28, 2012, 06:04:11 am
Ive never had a prob before chookie amd think it was a bit of both plus new oven and rush to get them ready for lunch as new if i stuffed it up dod wouldnt want me making them again but didnt let them quite double.. Yes put water dish in oven .. Have always do e that but because of oven and putting it at 210 first the. Realising its ff so need to reduce it was a bit hit and miss with time and i was worried they would burn so turned it down to 190.. Its frustrating me being here as someone is set in their ways and im not free to do as i please... Soon though soon..!!

Also they were only slightly doughy and everyone ate them but i got a comme t from u know who!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on October 28, 2012, 06:09:10 am
Does he ever go out so that you can get into the kitchen Kim  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on October 28, 2012, 06:10:53 am
Frozzie,  you are up against it,  working in someone elses kitchen, different ingredients  and under pressure.  I think i would be buying rolls . ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on October 28, 2012, 06:14:56 am
Lol im sick of bought bread.. Just isnt the same which is why i cracked and made the rolls.. Im sure with the ff temp and next time starting earlier to do them right it will be fine and if not ill just have to persevere and avoid bread..i made them as ds starts school to orrow and wanted to make rolls for him as he loves them..

Note: this is a fab easy recipe even under pressure and with new ingredients and new oven..
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on October 28, 2012, 06:18:01 am
So chookie just to be clear about this mix you just add water and the yeast from included packet and bobs your uncle??
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on October 28, 2012, 11:24:41 am
So chookie just to be clear about this mix you just add water and the yeast from included packet and bobs your uncle??

Yes,  that's right.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Wonder on October 30, 2012, 11:49:54 pm
Think I might have had a fail with this recipe today. I started making it after a very early work call this morning but forgot I had a second call so put it in the fridge hoping to slow down the rising, after taking out and kneading for another minute I then put on the bench to rise and got another call which went for a lot longer than i was expecting so buy the time I put it in the oven I think it had over risen, it now doesn't look like it's risen at all in the oven and looks like it might be quite heavy. will wait until the cooking time is up and see how it comes out.

Instead of the process taking less than 2 hours it's now been spread over almost 5!!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: obbie on October 31, 2012, 01:53:21 am
I have made these and always turn out good.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on October 31, 2012, 02:37:58 am
Made these 2 loaves this morning from 520g of flour.
I quite often make 2, one to give away or freeze.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/31/3ynatu3y.jpg)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Wonder on October 31, 2012, 05:16:21 am
All good. I was aiming for a sandwich loaf for the kids lunches but ended up with a lovely crunchy chewy bread that is more my favorite. Will be great with some dip tonight and for toast. I'll just need to make another one for sandwiches.(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/31/amabe5up.jpg)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on October 31, 2012, 05:25:14 am
Wonder,  that looks beautiful.  Just the sort of loaf I like also.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Nighteyes_fitz on November 04, 2012, 09:46:48 am
Quick question. Do you knead them by hand after the first rise? WHen you put them into roll form or loaf? I got to page 14 with out anyone bringing it up and didn't want to look through 41 odd pages to see if someone had asked yet!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Halex on November 04, 2012, 09:48:10 am
I have a little play because I love the feel of dough. :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on November 04, 2012, 09:53:03 am
I just break of bits and form rolls - no playing here  ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Jamberie on November 04, 2012, 09:56:38 am
When I'm making a loaf I let it do the first rise in the TMX bowl and then I transfer it to my loaf tin with minimal handling except to ensure the dough goes to the edges and corners of the tin. No time for extra needing here!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Nighteyes_fitz on November 04, 2012, 10:01:32 am
Last question...what does FKM stand for?? ???
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on November 04, 2012, 10:06:02 am
It an abbreviation for fussykidsmum, one of our members Nighteyes_fitz.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Nighteyes_fitz on November 04, 2012, 10:10:35 am
It an abbreviation for fussykidsmum, one of our members Nighteyes_fitz.
aaaaah thanks!  ;D No wonder I couldn't work it out haha

I didn't end up playing with my dough. Just rolled them up and onto a tray. Getting late here for tea! Very late!!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Nighteyes_fitz on November 04, 2012, 10:51:09 am
oh yum!!!!!!! There are so good straight out of the oven smothered in butter! Pumpkin soup in thermie. What a team  ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Kimmyh on November 04, 2012, 11:04:25 am
Oh nighteyes that sounds great. I can smell the rolls from here. Well done.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on November 04, 2012, 11:27:35 am
Nighteyes , glad you had success. If you are making a loaf,  try flattening out the dough and then roll it up.  Pinch the seam together and place this down in the tin.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: m155 on November 22, 2012, 10:32:14 am
Made this tonight using laucke multigrain breadmix...it is really yummy  .. got the thumbs up from hubby too...
will definitely make this again...
thanks for the recipe ... :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Kimmyh on November 22, 2012, 11:06:28 am
Made this again using snk bread mix and they turned out great. Homemade bread hater DH has taken them for lunch two days in a row!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on November 22, 2012, 06:26:49 pm
 :D Homemade bread hater  :D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on November 22, 2012, 09:09:35 pm
Kim,  glad you have a convert.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: VieveMS on November 23, 2012, 04:28:23 am
I made this today using the Laucke Multigrain Breadmix - don't think I left it long enough on the 2nd rise as the finished result was fairly flat and still a bit doughy in the centre.

I am still a bit confused as to whether I should knock the air out between the 1st and 2nd rises.  Does it make a difference?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on November 23, 2012, 05:10:02 am
VieveMS.  you should knock the air out , between the 1st and second rise.  Sounds like you didn't let it rise enough,  but probably more importantly,  you didn't cook it long enough.  Let it rise to double and you will still get a bit of oven bounce. Keep trying,  you are nealy there.  Buy a thermometer.  test for 200 F and it will be cooked.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: VieveMS on November 23, 2012, 05:29:27 am
Thanks Chookie, I'll keep trying.  Next time I will use plain bakers flour so I can use the exact quantities stated in your recipe.  I think I need to buy a thermometer as my oven can be a bit hit or miss at times.

Maybe I'll whip up a batch now just to see if I can do it.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on November 23, 2012, 05:52:21 am
Thanks Chookie, I'll keep trying.  Next time I will use plain bakers flour so I can use the exact quantities stated in your recipe.  I think I need to buy a thermometer as my oven can be a bit hit or miss at times.

Maybe I'll whip up a batch now just to see if I can do it.

Of course you can do it.  Once you have made a good loaf once,  you will be up and running. ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: VieveMS on November 23, 2012, 06:36:13 am
OK, next loaf is on its first rise now.  I've also just ducked out to Victoria's Basement and bought a thermometer. 

I actually don't eat white bread but am making one anyway just to see if I can do it.  Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: VieveMS on November 23, 2012, 10:58:49 am
Next loaf turned out much better although I am still a way away from the perfect loaf.  This one has quite a few air-bubbles inside but the texture of the dough was much nicer.  I think it is probably a worthwhile exercise to sacrifice a bit of flour and yeast as I have learnt a lot already.  For example, what I thought was 200C on my oven was way off.  I guess I'll just keep trying and eventually I'll get there.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on November 23, 2012, 11:07:06 am
Sounds like you might need an oven thermometer.  this loaf looks pretty good considering the oven problem.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: VieveMS on November 23, 2012, 11:52:41 am
Chookie, I bought myself an oven thermometer today which is how I discovered that what I thought was 200C on my oven was not.  One of the previous tenants of my apartment had somehow wiped off the temperature scale on the oven dial so I was only guessing previously but was way out.  Practice makes perfect...
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Chickie on November 28, 2012, 08:34:32 am
Made these today Chookie with 150g wholemeal grains that I milled in the thermie - perfect. Had one warm from the oven - delicious!! I feel so proud of myself that I can make rolls for my family :D Thanks for this easy and yummy recipe  :-*
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Shazzy on November 28, 2012, 08:42:29 am
Well Done Chickie. I get so much satisfaction from making my own bread. There will be no looking back for you now  :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on November 28, 2012, 11:23:37 am
Chickie,  this is great.  what I do for a bit of healthy variety, is bring to the boil some grain in a saucepan, let it sit in the water until cold,  strain it.  Freeze in 100g lots.  When I want to make a loaf,  I remove it from the freezer and pour boiling water over it so it is not too cold,  and the add it to the flour,  substituting it for a 100g of flour.  You have to adjust the water you add so it isn't too wet.  LSA is also nice added.
Keep experimenting now you have had some success.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Chickie on November 30, 2012, 03:05:47 am
Thanks Shazzy and Chookie  :)

I'll have to give the healthy version a go - thanks for the tips chookie! I've made 4 batches so far as the boys just keep coming up and taking them off the cooling racks and eating them plain - they love them  ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on November 30, 2012, 03:12:39 am
i hope u can keep up with your boys Chickie  ;D

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Post by: Wonder on November 30, 2012, 03:18:17 am
Well done chickie, sounds like you have really got the hang of it.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on November 30, 2012, 04:50:40 am
ACW in the last few day i have been using only a 1/4 teaspoon  of yeast and i am  extra happy with the results i am getting

i want to try using less than 1/4 teaspoon of yeast do u think it would be ok

the one i have made 2 day took 7 hours for the 1st rise, and  2 hours the 2nd rise
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on November 30, 2012, 04:52:48 am
So you can do the first rise overnight Uni?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on November 30, 2012, 05:20:52 am
thats the plan  for the weekend JD and  knead at 7am  for weekdays i would bake it at around 4pm
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on November 30, 2012, 08:14:29 am
Uni,  this method is commonly used.  I have not seen it used with less than this amount.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Chickie on November 30, 2012, 08:34:46 am
Looks lovely fundj&e, so are you saying the longer the rise time the less yeast you need ??
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on November 30, 2012, 09:10:55 am
yes Chickie if u have the time why not
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on November 30, 2012, 10:14:18 pm
Uni , There is a recipe that I posted, Rustic Bread from the Agrarian Kitchen,  which uses 1/8 teaspoon of yeast.  This is quite different to what you are making as it is a large loaf and has Rye and Wholemeal in it.  It has a very fine crumb.  I love this bread.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Chickie on November 30, 2012, 11:54:56 pm
Have a look at these beauties Chookie - I gave the healthier version a go. I also milled 200g of rye and replaced some of the flour with it. They are very nice - I like a really grainy roll. Better go and make another batch of wholemeal ones for the boys - they're half way through the one I made last night  :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 01, 2012, 04:24:55 am
Chickie,  you are amazing.  Such great bread and the family love it.  You will be more than ready when the Easter Bun craze hits next Easter.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on December 01, 2012, 06:43:05 am
We love the Rustic Agrarian bread.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 01, 2012, 07:01:40 am
ACW i used 1/8 of a teaspoon yeast this morning, it did take all day but thats what i was aiming for  ;D

Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 01, 2012, 08:08:21 am
Uni,  looks pretty good.  how long did 2 nd rise take?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 01, 2012, 08:24:37 am
2 1/2 hour, its really nice with butter and vegmite  ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: chrissa on December 01, 2012, 08:27:11 am
I made this today too - 4 dinner rolls and three long rolls. I used the whey from the yoghurt

I really liked this bread.  texture is really nice

I just had some with - butter and vegemite !!!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 01, 2012, 09:23:41 am
2 1/2 hour, its really nice with butter and vegmite  ;D

Uni,  must be warm there today.  Love fresh bread with butter and vegemite. 
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 01, 2012, 09:25:33 am
I made this today too - 4 dinner rolls and three long rolls. I used the whey from the yoghurt

I really liked this bread.  texture is really nice

I just had some with - butter and vegemite !!!

Chrtissa,  I also make a mix of rolls/ small loaf/ bread sticks.  Good idea.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on December 01, 2012, 10:02:02 am
Do you guys use bread improver or not at all?? Just curious!!
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Post by: *suzanne* on December 01, 2012, 10:46:44 am
I do Kim, have done both ways but prefer the one with the improver in it
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: chrissa on December 01, 2012, 10:47:06 am
I've only just started using bread improver and now I wouldn't make bread without it.  Makes a big difference.  Fussy DH agrees.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on December 01, 2012, 11:15:40 am
Whats in it??
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 01, 2012, 11:18:20 am
Mostly don't.  Do in cookies BSB recipe,  not in no Fuss  or anything else.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on December 01, 2012, 11:20:15 am
Thx chookie ive never used it but have noticed alot do.. Was wondering about it and also whats in it.. Think ill stick to how ive been doing it .. Without..
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 01, 2012, 07:01:11 pm
2 1/2 hour, its really nice with butter and vegmite  ;D

Uni,  must be warm there today.  Love fresh bread with butter and vegemite. 
it was a very warm day, but the air con was on at 20d

kim if u are happy without it dont use it, the only dough i dont use it in is the sour cream one
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: goldfish on December 01, 2012, 08:11:47 pm
Whats in it??

Frozzie - I've had a packet here for a while - but having said that, I've only ever used it once. The ingredients read: Wheat flour, soya flour, Emulsifier (480), Ascorbic acid,  Mineral salt (516),  Enzyme.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 01, 2012, 08:22:23 pm
I have occasionally used a vitamin C tablet,  to see what it will do.  Can't see that I makes a lot of difference.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 01, 2012, 08:39:49 pm
i am sure that the premixed bread flour have the same Ingredients in them
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on December 01, 2012, 08:54:45 pm
Probably uni... In france i only ever used milled flour from local mill no additives and fresh bakers yeast....
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: goldfish on December 01, 2012, 09:00:51 pm
Whats in it??

Frozzie - I've had a packet here for a while - but having said that, I've only ever used it once. The ingredients read: Wheat flour, soya flour, Emulsifier (480), Ascorbic acid,  Mineral salt (516),  Enzyme.

Just in case you missed previous page ;D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on December 02, 2012, 07:07:41 am
Thanks gf... Isnt emulsifier another name for something nasty?? Thanks gf i think i wont bother as have pretty good results with the way ive been baking bread.. I was just curious as see alot of people are using it!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 02, 2012, 07:55:11 am
like i said b4 if u are happy with your results dont use it. i am trying to cut down on using it, have a batch rising now with only 1/2 of teaspoon
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on December 02, 2012, 07:58:40 am
Thanks uni was mainly curiosity..😁😁
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Chickie on December 05, 2012, 01:13:00 am
Chookie do I need to use the sugar?? The bakers flour I use doesn't have anything added.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 05, 2012, 04:08:52 am
Chookie do I need to use the sugar?? The bakers flour I use doesn't have anything added.
The yeast works better if a little sugar is added,  however I don't like sweetbread,  so add as little as possible.  I also mostly use a Laucke crusty white mix, I add no sugar to this as it has a little already added.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Chickie on December 05, 2012, 04:33:33 am
Thanks Chookie xx
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 05, 2012, 04:39:00 am
Chookie do I need to use the sugar?? The bakers flour I use doesn't have anything added.

chickie i normally dont add any sugar when i do this dough, but lately i have ,only because i have been  using only 1/8 of a teaspoon of yeast
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Chickie on December 05, 2012, 05:48:09 am
How much sugar have you been adding uni? I didn't add any at all in my last batch and they didn't get quite as fluffy but still OK.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 05, 2012, 06:01:11 am
1 teaspoon of sugar and 1/8 teaspoon of yeast for this loaf chickie and only one rise

do u use bread improver ?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on December 05, 2012, 06:05:50 am
Love the experiments you are doing with your bread Uni, quite successfully too by the looks of it.  Is there any reason you want to cut down on the yeast or is it just so that you can leave the dough overnight and bake first thing in the morning?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 05, 2012, 07:08:52 am
Love the experiments you are doing with your bread Uni, quite successfully too by the looks of it.  Is there any reason you want to cut down on the yeast or is it just so that you can leave the dough overnight and bake first thing in the morning?

thats right JD
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 05, 2012, 10:55:11 am
Uni,  like  Judy,  I love the experimenting that you are doing.  You really do have an understanding of bread. 
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Chickie on December 06, 2012, 04:56:35 am
looks great Uni, no I don't use improver.
How long is too long to leave the dough rising??
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 06, 2012, 05:22:32 am
looks great Uni, no I don't use improver.
How long is too long to leave the dough rising??

Until double and then if there is more,  it will 'bounce'  in the oven.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Chickie on December 06, 2012, 05:27:17 am
what do you mean by bounce chookie - will they go rubbery??

I'm asking because yesterday things got crazy busy and the first rise was 24 hrs. I could only do a second rise of about 20 mins - they were ok but not as light and fluffy.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 06, 2012, 05:37:11 am
24 hrs with 2 teaspoons of yeast chickie?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 06, 2012, 08:13:40 am
24 hrs with 2 teaspoons of yeast chickie?
Bounce, is the extra rise that you get in the oven.
In a warn room, 30 mins and it should double,  then 20 mins for second rise.
The texture of over risen bread isn't as good.
You need to put 2/ 2 1/2  hours aside to make bread.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Jamberie on December 06, 2012, 10:54:42 am
Thank you Uni for sharing your experiments! Living in Canberra it can often take hours for bread to rise (even in the oven, microwave and car)...knowing that using a smaller amount of yeast means I can leave it to rise overnight is really helpful....I'll be trying that soon. I just hope our overnight lows are not too low!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on December 06, 2012, 11:34:36 am
Jam eerie my brother works in Canberra, but lives in Bungendore. He has only been over there for a few years and said he still feels the cold badly.
Title: Re: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Jamberie on December 06, 2012, 12:00:15 pm
I do love living here! It's perhaps not the most exciting tourist destination but certainly a great place to live! I'd much prefer a cold day to a hot day....cold days just aren't great for baking bread unless I turn the oven on low for both rises :/
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Chickie on December 06, 2012, 12:45:20 pm
yes Uni 2 tspns - was unintentional to leave the first rise for that long.

I guess I'm wondering if I leave the dough for a long time like that, with that much yeast, can it adversely affect it and make the bread turn out not as well?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: MrsG on December 07, 2012, 06:36:17 am
Wow. Made these with my sister today as we were having coffee. They were so easy! (And didn't look stupid when they came out the oven either!)
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Post by: cookie1 on December 07, 2012, 11:12:26 am
Well done Mrs G.
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Post by: achookwoman on December 07, 2012, 11:28:27 am
Wow. Made these with my sister today as we were having coffee. They were so easy! (And didn't look stupid when they came out the oven either!)

glad you had fun making them MrsG.





























Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: droverjess on December 07, 2012, 10:07:22 pm
Put a batch on tonight with a mix of flour, mostly a seeded granary flour and a bit of 00 pasta flour! Added 15g butter.
Now rising in fridge overnight. Need to take bread tomorrow.
Had previous engagement, now cancelled so back to this one, had promised fresh bread so had to get cracking..

Probably make a plait, or similar. Will report IDC.

Event cancelled will
 Make rolls for freezer.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Jamberie on December 08, 2012, 11:40:11 am
Have just made two batches of these with 1/4tsp yeast in each to rise overnight.....fingers crossed. It's a relatively warm night here so I've just left them on the bench....will report back in the morning. Thanks ACW and Uni, if this works I'll be stoked!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 08, 2012, 09:34:15 pm
Jamberie,  let us know.  Sounds like it might suit you.
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Post by: droverjess on December 08, 2012, 11:30:17 pm
10 lovely rolls. Forgot sugar as don't usually use.

Perfect rolls , thanks chookie.
Eaten 3 rest in freezer.

(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh621/Droverjess/ddfbbcf7df28dad46a373a4d71287f4e.jpg)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Kimmyh on December 08, 2012, 11:35:09 pm
Lovely looking rolls DJ.
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Post by: Jamberie on December 09, 2012, 12:02:00 am
Wow DJ, they look great.
Mine turned out too...I'll have pics but am running late, will post later:-)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 09, 2012, 12:39:10 am
DJ!   Good looking rolls,  nice also to have some in Freezer.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on December 09, 2012, 01:40:52 am
Good way to use up all your different flours DJ, pity the do was cancelled but at least they will keep.

How did your dough go overnight Jamberie?
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on December 09, 2012, 03:34:39 am
I love this recipe. It is so easy to make changes to. It is a lovely texture to make into rolls and different shapes too. I plan to do the woven loaf again with this on Tuesday using some rye and wholemeal flour, probably about 50g of each.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 09, 2012, 05:19:24 am
cookie,  love the way you do that woven loaf.
I have a special Xmas function next Sat. And am going to make bread sticks with Nori rolled in.  Doesn't add much to the taste but looks spectacular with a black swirl when sliced.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on December 09, 2012, 07:10:57 am
Another good idea. Thanks.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Jamberie on December 09, 2012, 08:19:04 am
I love this forum! Thank you Chookie for sharing the original recipe and thank you Uni for sharing you tweaks! I love the ability to make my own bread dough so quickly and easily with the TMX but sometimes the rising time is just too long...so last night at about 10pm after reading about Uni's experiments with yeast I used 1/4 tsp of yeast and started two batches of dough. I checked on them at 9am and this is what I found....a small crust had started to form where the dough was exposed to air, but it wasn't a problem once I did a second mini-hand-knead.
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Post by: Jamberie on December 09, 2012, 08:27:08 am
Here are the finished products...a plain pull apart and a spinach, parmesan & mozzarella pull apart ;D;D;D;D;D(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/09/atyna9ys.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/09/dytumeha.jpg)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: goldfish on December 09, 2012, 08:28:55 am
1 teaspoon of sugar and 1/8 teaspoon of yeast for this loaf chickie and only one rise


This what I've been wondering about for a while but haven't had the time to do it.  Making some tonight = thanks Uni . . . this is great! :-*

Jamberie = those look positively awesome!!! :D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Kimmyh on December 09, 2012, 08:32:04 am
Wow jamberie they look great.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on December 09, 2012, 08:33:41 am
They certainly do look good.
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Post by: achookwoman on December 09, 2012, 09:28:23 am
Jamberie,  what fun you are having.  Don't you just love the way Uni takes a basic recipe and runs with it.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on December 09, 2012, 10:04:01 am
This is the recipe that so many of our members have been wanting - preparing the dough overnight and cooking fresh bread in the morning.  Brilliant work Uni, give yourself a pat on the back  :-* :-*
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: rainbow on December 09, 2012, 10:49:45 am
I have gone back a few pages on this but I am missing the preparing dough overnight to bake next morning, can you point me in the right direction !!!!!
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: goldfish on December 09, 2012, 11:06:26 am
1 teaspoon of sugar and 1/8 teaspoon of yeast for this loaf chickie and only one rise



It's around page 45, Rainbow . .
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Frozzie on December 09, 2012, 08:05:20 pm
With rising overnight doesnt the dough dry out??
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: fundj&e on December 09, 2012, 08:11:25 pm
i spary water on mine plus a lid   and its ok
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Post by: Frozzie on December 09, 2012, 08:20:11 pm
Ok good uni thx 😘
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Post by: alfacchino on December 09, 2012, 09:13:39 pm
Thanks so much for this recipe!  I whipped up a batch for our lunch yesterday and the hubby-man was very impressed :)
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on December 10, 2012, 03:20:53 am
Thanks so much for this recipe!  I whipped up a batch for our lunch yesterday and the hubby-man was very impressed :)

My pleasure alfaccino.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: lozzylooloo on December 12, 2012, 05:44:49 pm
I made these day before yesterday and they looked rest and were pretty good, but still a little doughy in the centre.  I also had a few other questions, so I started reading the thread.  Then I kept reading, and copying a few notes to myself, then reading more, and copying more, and not sleeping.  Oops!!!
But, I did copy lots of other people's changes, advice, and questions and answers.  Unfortunately, I'd didn't think until much later in the effort that other people may want to read this too, so I haven't copied names of original posters.  I was also only originally copying stuff pertinent to me, so dealing with my questions, or suggested alterations with specific ingredients or quantities listed.  If you have time, I strongly recommend reading through this whole thread, there is lots of fantastic information!!!

One question I had that i didn't find an easy answer for as the crustiness of the bread - hubby prefers a soft top on his loaves and rolls. Another poster suggested putting in plastic bag while warm, is that right or any other ideas you could offer?

I am going to follow this post with a possibly huge post which is just a copy and paste of all the odds and ends I was copying as I read through this thread. If it is too much of a double up, or too awkward being not attributed to original posters, please just delete.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: lozzylooloo on December 12, 2012, 05:49:45 pm
This is just a copy and paste of all the odds and ends I was copying as I read through this thread. PLEASE NOTE I AM NOT THE ORIGINAL POSTER / OWNER OF ANY OF THESE COMMENTS. There are two other threads which you should read - chookies hints for making bread thread, and chookies hints Discussion thread. These are just some points I kept track of out of this thread and thought others might get use of:



Bread rolls
http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=4253.120


Tweaks
Thanks so much for this easy recipe. Tonight was my third batch, I made them with 320g white flour, 200g wholemeal and I included 1Tbsp of Vinegar into the 300mls as a bread improver and they turned out great. Even DH said maybe the TMX isn't so bad!! Thanks again.  

i use 1 tablespoon of poppy seed, sunflower, linseed and sesame seeds.
For the fruit mix i use about 1 cup of mix fruit soaked in cup of milk (for about 10 min)

Mum to four,  this is a basic recipe,  intended to get you started.  Just like it has you.  As fundj has suggested,  you can add various grains or seeds or fruit.  You can roll the loaf or rolls in seeds or crushed grains.  I bring to the boil,  whole wheat, let it cool and freeze it in 150/200 lots.  When I want a wholemeal roll or loaf,  I just substitute it for some of the flour in the recipe.  If the grain is very cold,  make the water warmer,  and if it is very wet,  add a bit more flour.

OMG, CC thic looks beautiful.   How much oatmeal have you got in it.?
Chookie I only had 400g of strong white flour so I added 120g of Oatmeal White bread flour.It says on the Oatmeal packet it contains Wheat Flour,10% Flaked Oats,10% Oat Bran,10% Pinhead Oatmeal, so I can't say how much I really used  36g??Tasted good though   This is the bread flour I used.
http://www.allinsonflour.co.uk/products/oatmill-white-bread-flour.html

I glazed with egg and sesame and nigella seeds and the crust was lovely


Like many other have said, this is an awesome bread recipe.  I've tried quite a few different recipes now and this one gives the yummiest loaf.  If using just white flour the rise is fantastic.  I tend to mix in about 100-150gms of wheat grain/buckwheat (ground first).  The rise isn't as high, bread is slightly denser (not much) and its delish.  I also add 2 Tbsp of chia gel (chia seeds soaked in water).  To compensate for the extra moister the chia gel brings, I increase the flour content to 540gms.  So far I haven't had a bad loaf.  I also add about 4 Tbsp of other seeds.  I was using Lupin flour for a while too (about 50gms, instead of the buckwheat), but with this loaf it makes it just a bit too dense.

yes after the 1st rise, covered with glad wrap, any where in the fridge will do

i am making 90 little rolls tomorrow  
But you must bring them back to room temp before you can cook them.
They only take 2 hours to make from the time you put the flour in the TMX bowl, until they are cooked.  If you start at 10.00am they are ready for lunch. At 12.00. During this time you only spend about 10 mins. Attending to the rolls.
If you use the cold oven start they are even quicker.  Less than 1 1/2 hours.
You could also under cook them and then stick them in a hot oven for 10 mins.  This is what I do, In fact I am doing it for lunch tomorrow.

Cover dough in or out of the fridge with plastic.  I use a cheap shower cap over a bowl as you can see through it. Spray with plenty of water.

For Tall Bread:
very simple, 1st rise in tm for 1 hour, 2nd rise in bread tin 2 hours.
Straight into hot oven.

i add upto 40g of seeds

As previously mentioned, I made the dough yesterday afternoon, let it do the first rising in the bowl, shaped them into baguette type rolls and placed in the fridge overnight.  I used 1/2 white flour and 1/2 grain flour.  This morning I bought them to room temp for about an hour, slashed and sprayed them then placed them into a cold oven set for 210o and cooked them for 30 minutes.  I was very happy with them and also a bit surprised that they even rose further in the fridge overnight.

I made these for burgers yesterday amazingly worked out my family couldn't believe it!  I got 8 buns out of the mix about 100gms each.  I cooked for 25 mins, in past my bread is always raw in the middle I think it's my oven.  I replaced 100gms of while flour with rye flour and some partially ground sunflower, linseed & sesame seeds.


Didnt rise: Did you use bakers' flour, warm water, did you use dried yeast or fresh yeast, did you make sure the yeast was not touching the salt when you put every ingredient into the bowl ?
If the water is too hot it can kill the yeast, if the yeast is not fresh, it will not work.
did your dough double in size before you baked it?  Don't give up, we all had a few dough disasters when we started .

Test the water on your wrist (remember the bread is your baby)

try heating the water and yeast 1st

1.30 mins  at 37 on speed 1

we always freeze leftover bread. I slice it and pack it in lots of 4 slices. Then take it out an hour or so before we need it. Just as good as freshly baked. Try Chookie's sourdough that is nice for a few days if you don't want to freeze it.


200Fan Forced oven,  but this depends on oven. For laucke premix, Don't add sugar or salt.  Their yeast is very good.  The rolls should not be doughy in side.  Dish with water in bottom of oven.  I would say you didn't let them double, and/or didn't cook them hot/long enough.  This recipe works well with Laucke Premix,  this is what i use.

Quick question. Do you knead them by hand after the first rise? WHen you put them into roll form or loaf? I got to page 14 with out anyone bringing it up and didn't want to look through 41 odd pages to see if someone had asked yet!
1. I have a little play because I love the feel of dough.
2. I just break of bits and form rolls - no playing here  
3. When I'm making a loaf I let it do the first rise in the TMX bowl and then I transfer it to my loaf tin with minimal handling except to ensure the dough goes to the edges and corners of the tin. No time for extra kneading here!

Q- I am still a bit confused as to whether I should knock the air out between the 1st and 2nd rises.  Does it make a difference?
A- VieveMS.  you should knock the air out , between the 1st and second rise.  Sounds like you didn't let it rise enough,  but probably more importantly,  you didn't cook it long enough.  Let it rise to double and you will still get a bit of oven bounce. Keep trying,  you are nealy there.  Buy a thermometer.  test for 200 F and it will be cooked.

Made these today Chookie with 150g wholemeal grains that I milled in the thermie - perfect

What I do for a bit of healthy variety, is bring to the boil some grain in a saucepan, let it sit in the water until cold,  strain it.  Freeze in 100g lots.  When I want to make a loaf,  I remove it from the freezer and pour boiling water over it so it is not too cold,  and the add it to the flour,  substituting it for a 100g of flour.  You have to adjust the water you add so it isn't too wet.  LSA is also nice added.
Keep experimenting now you have had some success.

I gave the healthier version a go. I also milled 200g of rye and replaced some of the flour with it. They are very nice - I like a really grainy roll. Better go and make another batch of wholemeal ones for the boys - they're half way through the one I made last night  

Chookie do I need to use the sugar?? The bakers flour I use doesn't have anything added.
The yeast works better if a little sugar is added,  however I don't like sweetbread,  so add as little as possible.  I also mostly use a Laucke crusty white mix, I add no sugar to this as it has a little already added.

For an overnight rise:
Quote from: fundj&e on December 05, 2012, 06:01:11 AM
1 teaspoon of sugar and 1/8 teaspoon of yeast for this loaf chickie and only one rise
Q: With rising overnight doesnt the dough dry out??
A:i spary water on mine plus a lid   and its ok

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Post by: Chickie on December 13, 2012, 02:41:41 am
Nice work lozzy - thanks for this  ;D
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Post by: judydawn on December 13, 2012, 04:01:03 am
Thanks lozzy, it will be useful for those not wanting to read through so many pages.

If your DH likes a softer crust then I suggest you give Cookie's Vienna bread  (http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=8950.0) a try. It sounds like it would be the perfect loaf for him.
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Post by: cookie1 on December 13, 2012, 06:59:36 am
I don't put any water or ice cubes or anything in with my bread when I cook it. We don't like hard crusts and I find all the bread I make may seem hard when it first comes out of the oven but soon softens up.
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Post by: lozzylooloo on December 14, 2012, 11:33:09 am
Thanks, Judy, I will try to muster my courage ;) and shall give cookie's recipe a try too - thanks for the link :)
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Post by: Chickie on December 20, 2012, 03:25:51 am
I'm about to cook my first loaf - *fingers crossed* it works out, I've only attempted the rolls so far but my middle son requested bread today.
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Post by: achookwoman on December 20, 2012, 05:49:48 am
Let us know how you go.
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Post by: Chickie on December 20, 2012, 06:20:07 am
It was still doughy in the middle so I put it back in for a while. I used a lined round casserole dish because I didn't have a tin. I think I should have had the oven at 220, I had it closer to 200.
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Post by: achookwoman on December 20, 2012, 11:55:43 am
Baked in tin or dish it is best if taken from what you have baked it in and lay on side back in oven for 10 mins.  As you are just starting out with bread making,  you would be wise to invest in a thermometer that you can stick into the load to test that it has reached 200 F.
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Post by: Chickie on December 21, 2012, 12:19:41 am
Thanks Chookie I will do that next time
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Post by: droverjess on December 24, 2012, 07:20:14 pm
Made today with fresh yeast, and my new flour from Shipton Mill.
300 gms no 4 organic and
220 gms coarse brown

Lovely just had one with smoked salmon, other two in freezer, ready for another day.

(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh621/Droverjess/0ca31a5b13d62b4d2592e3814f78392b.jpg)
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Post by: achookwoman on December 24, 2012, 09:04:05 pm
DJ,  look very tasty.  Always handy to have on the freezer.
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Post by: droverjess on December 24, 2012, 09:06:56 pm
Thanks chookie, merry Christmas.
Will do as you say with foil and reheating.  :D
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Post by: achookwoman on December 24, 2012, 09:10:45 pm
      DJ,  Merry Christmas to you and family.  I have been looking at the floods in England and hoping you are OK
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Post by: droverjess on December 24, 2012, 09:28:43 pm
Yes we are thanks so much. Wet, but always chosen a house on a hill.  ;)
Did you ever get my pms? Sent maybe 2 and 4 or 5 weeks ago?
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Post by: achookwoman on December 24, 2012, 09:31:53 pm
Always try and answer PM.'s.  Will check.
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Post by: cookie1 on December 25, 2012, 04:08:02 am
They look lovely DJ. Glad you aren't near any floods.
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Post by: droverjess on January 05, 2013, 08:37:29 pm
Made this today

(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh621/Droverjess/4e1392b6ca1a9cc3479d6dc8fb21d9ca.jpg)

Yum yum.

Making supper at same time so slashes didn't work well, the lame dragged....
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Post by: Cornish Cream on January 05, 2013, 09:00:01 pm
Looks very tasty DJ ;)
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Post by: achookwoman on January 05, 2013, 09:51:13 pm
DJ, looks good.  Must make some today!!
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Post by: droverjess on January 05, 2013, 10:29:40 pm
Thanks chookie.
Toast for Sunday breakfast!
And beef sarnies for tea after roast beef for Sunday lunch!
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Post by: achookwoman on January 06, 2013, 11:44:46 am
Yum,  it is a shame that you live so far away.!!!
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Post by: droverjess on January 06, 2013, 05:13:35 pm
It SURE  is chookie... Did you ever get my pms?
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Post by: achookwoman on January 06, 2013, 05:50:11 pm
DJ,  got some a long time ago.
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Post by: droverjess on January 06, 2013, 05:56:05 pm
Ok will try again.
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Post by: astarra on January 07, 2013, 01:37:09 am
It SURE  is chookie... Did you ever get my pms?

I'm sure she wants your PMS, DJ  ;) ;) :D
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Post by: fundj&e on June 20, 2013, 10:30:12 am
always a winner  ;D
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Post by: judydawn on June 20, 2013, 11:55:58 am
Uni, if only I could grab one of those lovely rolls - fantastic.
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Post by: EmeraldSue on June 20, 2013, 12:54:49 pm
Love the flower design!
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Post by: achookwoman on June 20, 2013, 01:12:28 pm
UNi,  you always produce very nice food.  These look so scrum my,  like Judy,  I could eat one right now.
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Post by: cookie1 on June 20, 2013, 01:26:38 pm
They look lovely Uni. All the same size and perfect.
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Post by: kyton on June 21, 2013, 04:57:01 am
Just made this bread again - thank goodness it worked! I prebagged the dry ingredients about 4mths ago, putting them in the freezer for easy making and then panicked when I read somewhere you shouldn't let the salt touch the yeast (and I prebagged 10 lots!!).

Lovely as usual and I am cooking some scrolls I also made using the dough.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/21/urapy8y4.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/21/5epume2u.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/21/avezabur.jpg)
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Post by: achookwoman on June 21, 2013, 05:59:36 am
Kylie,  I think it is a good idea to bag  up the mix .  I have never had a problem caused by the yeast  too close to the salt. If it does worry you,  leave it out and add just before mixing.  My Mum,  would bag it up and add the yeast at the last minute.  She used fresh yeast.   I will post what I made today with this recipe. 
Your photos look great.  I think we have another BREAD TRAGIC.  Congratulations. 
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Post by: achookwoman on June 21, 2013, 06:05:14 am
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/21/zabuzude.jpg)

Not quite perfect, but will have another go soon.  Still have sour dough to bake.  It doesn't like this very cold weather.
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Post by: fundj&e on June 21, 2013, 06:15:27 am
yes it did ACW  ;D
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Post by: fundj&e on June 21, 2013, 06:17:16 am
i am having problems with the sourdough 2  :(
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Post by: achookwoman on June 21, 2013, 07:32:42 am
i am having problems with the sourdough 2  :(
Uni,  I think it is the weather.  I left mine out over night and it still wasn't very energetic this morning.  the yeast bread did its thing in 30 mins.   it is now 7 1/2 hours and it has risen about 1/2 of what I would expect in 2/3 hours.  i will just leave it out all night and hope it  does not bubble over.
I will remove 1 set of photos.   
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Post by: droverjess on June 22, 2013, 10:16:01 am
Making this today with 170 wh ml in the mix as one loaf. Use top oven with main oven on low for first rise.
Run out of fresh yeast, back on dried.

Am laughing at your cool temps experience and bread, we have these temps all the time and much lower, maybe that's why my sourdough has been less successful?

Its very windy here today, not like midsummer at all.
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Post by: BeezeeBee on June 23, 2013, 04:40:23 am
Started researching bread 10 mins ago, to prepare for the kids' lunch boxes tomorrow. Have yet to use my TMX to make bread! Want to give this a go, after seeing all the fab photos of bread :)

I read from page 1-4...but gave up after that, as I've got to prepare lunch now. Somebody mentioned a natural bread improver. Are they easy to get at shops? Ordering online would take time to arrive.
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Post by: achookwoman on June 23, 2013, 05:06:15 am
BZB,  if you use a good quality bread flour you don't need improver.   If you want to add some,  a Vitamin C tablet,  crushed will do.
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Post by: cookie1 on June 23, 2013, 07:33:06 am
BZB I have taken to copying Chookke. I now use Laucke bread mix. I use this recipe and just put the 300 ml water and yeast into bowl. Give it 2 minutes on 37 degrees. Then add my flour. At the moment I add about 50 g spelt and the rest the bread mix. You don't need to add sugar, salt or bread improver. I make it into a largish loaf and it lasts us for 2-4 days. I slice it when it's cool and freeze it in slices.
I vary the type of flours and add seeds sometimes. Depends what we feel like.
I have one rising now so will post a photo of the completed loaf.
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Post by: BeezeeBee on June 23, 2013, 09:06:57 am
Chookie, Cookie, thanks. Will try it without the improver and see how it compares to the bread maker. Trying to get soft bread and rolls; the bread maker recipes can't seem to do it :(
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Post by: achookwoman on June 23, 2013, 01:11:40 pm
BZB,  I like to try different bread recipes,  just for fun,  and often do as Cookie does.  With the bread Maker , I make the dough to this recipe in the TMX,  let it rise in the bowl.  Remove the paddle from the bread machine and line the base of the bread machine bowl.  Form the bread into a shape that will fit your Bread Machine bowl,  let rise to about 3/4 ,  cut a cross in the top. (this allows the loaf to rise evenly).  Spray with water and bake for about 1 hour. 
You need a Bread machine that has a bake cycle.
While the bread is rising I heat a wheat bag and place it in the machine to warm it ,  in cold weather.
Have fun
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Post by: cecilia on June 23, 2013, 05:55:29 pm
Chookie, do you know that you are an absolute Oracle?  Thank you.
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Post by: achookwoman on June 23, 2013, 11:27:10 pm
Chookie, do you know that you are an absolute Oracle?  Thank you.

Cecilia,  you make me laugh.  Just years of playing around .
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Post by: cookie1 on June 24, 2013, 01:31:35 am
Sorry BZB I forgot to put the photo up. Here it is.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/24/mu4u4uby.jpg)
I use this for our everyday bread. This loaf has about 50-60g spelt added with the white flour.
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Post by: BeezeeBee on June 24, 2013, 03:25:21 am
Ooh...that's a lovely loaf, Cookie
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Post by: BeezeeBee on June 24, 2013, 03:30:58 am
Our dearest oracle Chookie, thank you, thank you, thank you. I've actually googled for a method to use my breadmaker using own recipe before, and could not find an answer. But now you've provided the solution!

I've got a Panasonic SD-2501.... And it does have a bake only function :) :D
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Post by: cookie1 on June 24, 2013, 06:08:55 am
Lovely news. I can't wait to see all your creations.
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Post by: achookwoman on June 24, 2013, 07:00:28 am
BZB,  the NO Fuss recipe,  is just that.  You can use it as is or fiddle with it and sub different seeds, grains or flour. 
I like to use the bread machine when it is too hot to light the oven.  Mine is a Panasonic, SD 206.  Probably about 20 years old.  I have even worked out how to do SD in it.  This was a challenge.
All us bread makers feed off each other.  Even the smallest tip can be useful.  I have learnt from Cookie,who fiddled with the sour dough process, from Gert who was determined to produce SD in a hot climate,  DD who also determinedly made rye SD bread.  Uni, Hally and Judy all did their own thing.  Then of course there was Isi who really got things moving.  Last week I looked at some beautiful savoury scrolls made by a forum member.  We all look forward to what you will produce.
I think there is a thread for bread made in TMX and baked in a bread machine. 
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Post by: judydawn on June 24, 2013, 08:23:39 am
Yes,  here's (http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=7721.0) the fruit loaf recipe Chookie just mentioned - prepared in the Thermomix and baked in a bread machine.

Here's (http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=11302.0) the sourdough recipe.
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Post by: cookie1 on June 24, 2013, 08:40:23 am
Judy do you do your links on the iPad?
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Post by: judydawn on June 24, 2013, 10:32:23 am
Occasionally Cookie but it is faster on the laptop as I can have 2 screens going and work from one to the other without getting lost - I can only do simple things on the iPad like post pictures of congratulations or post a link but not the here type.  
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Post by: achookwoman on June 24, 2013, 10:50:53 am
Thanks again Judy,  you really do help members get on with their cooking.
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Post by: judydawn on June 24, 2013, 12:59:43 pm
My pleasure Chookie, love to help.
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Post by: cookie1 on June 25, 2013, 01:06:25 am
Thanks Judy. I have two screens going on the iPad , or more, but the copy paste bit I find fiddly and time consuming. It is easier to go to the main computer if I have to do it.
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Post by: rainbow on June 25, 2013, 08:01:11 am
How do you have two screens going on the iPad Cookie 💁
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Post by: cookie1 on June 25, 2013, 09:07:35 am
When you have one screen open on safari, tap the plus sign near the top right. This will give you the opportunity to type in whatever you want for your second screen. Eg glitter graphics. You will then see that you have two things open and you can tap on them to use which ever you want.
I should have perhaps made this clear that it is only when using safari. (As far as I know)
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Post by: rainbow on June 25, 2013, 10:54:57 am
Thank you Cookie, I just had play with this, maybe someone could move this idea to IPad thread
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 01, 2013, 03:17:06 pm
Made this loaf of bread today. Ingredients as per Chookie's recipe. Kneaded in the TMX and baked in breadmaker.

Loaf turned out heavy and chewy, with a thick crust :(

I'm trying to figure out the main culprit to my failed attempt. What did I do wrong...

- Started with instant yeast and cold water. 37c, sp 3, 1:30 min
- Left in the bowl for 5 mins
- Added the rest of ingredients (Defiance bread flour, sugar, salt, water)
- Kneaded for 4 mins
- placed bowl (covered and MC on) near stove. I was simmering some soup, hence thought it should be warm enough.
- dough doubled after about 2 hours
- punched dough. Shaped it for breadmaker pan. Placed in pan that was lined with baking paper
- left the pan in microwave oven uncovered, with a cup of hot water.
- dough rose to 3/4 of pan height after about 1 hour
- made a x on surface of dough, and sprinkled a bit of water
- baked in breadmaker for 1 hour

Will post photo. It's on my phone.
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 01, 2013, 03:19:02 pm
My failed bread :(

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/01/sa2anagu.jpg)
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Post by: fundj&e on July 01, 2013, 08:35:04 pm
i find that in winter 37 for 1.30 isnt warm enough

try 200ml of tap water and 100ml of boiling hot water
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Post by: achookwoman on July 01, 2013, 10:48:44 pm
I agree with Uni,  not enough warmth.  If you look at the cross you put in the top ,  it hasn't opened up as it should have if it had risen fully.  I put a heated wheat bag in the bread maker while it is rising for a second time. Also in the cold weather,  you could let it rise more in the bucket.  Keep trying as this is a most convenient way to make a loaf.  Also , as with all bread,  make sure you don't knock the risen loaf as it will knock some of the air out of the dough. 
Thanks for posting a photo as it really does help. 
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Post by: judydawn on July 01, 2013, 11:06:17 pm
The exact details of what you did were also a help BZB - it makes it so simple then for our bread gurus to pinpoint the problem.
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 02, 2013, 12:35:14 am
Thank you, Chookie and Uni. Judy, I've been turning all the different variable in my head...and I'm so grateful for the guidance :)

Would it be ok to proof the bread outside. It was a sunny day yesterday but I wasn't quite sure.

Is there an easy way to wash the TMX bowl after removing the risen dough? I used the usual method of water above blades, 100C, 20 sec, bicarbonate soda & dishwashing liquid. Brushed and dismantled the whole bowl.
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Post by: achookwoman on July 02, 2013, 01:41:37 am
I don't do any of the 'recommended,' processes.  I just fill the bowl with warm water,  let it sit while I form the bread, then put my hand in and swish it around a bit,  tip out water. Same again , until clean.  I only dismantle the whole lot about once a month.  If there is a bit stuck under the blades,  I use a tiny brush that comes with a baby bottle set, or a small brush that Judy gave me which was from Helene.   
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Post by: droverjess on July 02, 2013, 09:01:01 am
A lot of members proof and rise in the car in a warm winter day in Australia.
If outside be careful of,draughts as yeast is sensitive to such things.
Behind glass is probably safer.
I often first rise mine in top oven with bottom oven turned on to about 100'c. Proofing is harder in this oven as loaf tends to rise higher than oven. But by the the kitchen is warmer for the proof.
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Post by: Brumington on July 02, 2013, 01:40:30 pm
I might be wrong but I'd put the blame on the fact that the bread was cooked in the bread maker.  I just don't think they get to a high enough temperature and there's no steam, just dry heat. I always bake in the oven with a bowl of water for steam. Bread needs that steam to help it cook better in my opinion. I'm not an expert like some of these other ladies but that's my two cents worth based on my own experiences.
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 02, 2013, 01:42:22 pm
That is sooo interesting and totally thinking outside the box, DJ. Proof in the car  :)
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Post by: achookwoman on July 02, 2013, 01:55:05 pm
Brumington.  Can't agree with you.  I often bake a very good loaf in the bread maker.  I think that it is important that you either follow the instructions for your machine,  or adapt the recipe to suit your needs.  Baking bread in the machine is similar to putting bread into a cold oven.  The first part of the process is like a second proving as the machine heats up,  the second 1/2 hour is the actual baking.
As a general comment,  individual tastes in bread is a VERY personal thing.   for example,  I don't like bread made with low gluten flour, ( plain flour). My DH likes the texture of bread made in the machine.  The texture is different to bread baked in the oven.  I will try and find some photos of bread made in the machine that I have made. 
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 02, 2013, 01:56:33 pm
Second attempt failed too :(

Process:
- used warm water from thermos to activate the yeast. Have to try Uni's suggestion next round. Left in TMX bowl for about 10mins. Could only see a bit of bubbles on the surface.
- added ingredients and kneaded for 4 mins
- removed from TMX. Shaped into ball and placed into oiled Pyrex bowl. Covered bowl with cling wrap. Placed tea towel over bowl. Left the bowl in a sunny spot outside the house.
- removed from bowl after doubling in size. Shaped into longish shape and placed into bread maker pan.
- covered pan with cling wrap and tea towel. Left outside again.
- brought in after an hour. Dough rose to about 2/3 of pan. Placed it near slow cooker (made chicken curry)
- didn't rise any further after an hour. So used knife to make a cross. Could see dough deflate when making the x
- sprayed with water
- baked for 1 hour
- bread came out pale and dense :( :(

Not giving up. Just need to figure out this puzzle.

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Post by: EmeraldSue on July 02, 2013, 02:08:45 pm
BZB, that is so disappointing. It took me a while to get my bread to work, but I'm baking it quite regularly now.
In winter, I've taken to proving my bread following the directions for the Vienna loaf - pouring boiling water into a tray in the bottom of a cold oven. It works really well for me. Or I put boiling water in a jug in the microwave next to the dough and leave the door closed. If it's a warm day, I prove it in the car.
 I've also found that if I put a little flour into the bowl after I've removed the dough and give it a whizz, I can tip out most of the dough dregs into the bin and the jug is a little easier to clean. Not sure where I heard that tip - it may have even been on this forum. I usually have some flour left on my pastry mat after I've rolled out the dough, so I tip that back I to the bowl with another spoonful of flour, and it seems to do the trick. It seems harder to clean once water is added. My grandma used to make glue for our craft projects by mixing flour and water.  :P
I also put extra flour on my doughy hands and rub them together to help clean them before I wash them with soap and water.
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Post by: judydawn on July 02, 2013, 02:26:05 pm
BZB what's the reason for baking the loaf in your bread oven?  Have you tried a normal oven to see if it works better? I just throw all the ingredients into the bowl, add warm water and knead - what are the benefits of activating the yeast? Is it fresh or dried yeast?
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Post by: achookwoman on July 02, 2013, 02:28:08 pm
BZB,  this is a worry.  We all do different things with our bread so I am loath to change your process too much.  some questions, first,  why do you put your water in the thermos ?  Secondly,  why remove the dough from the TMX bowl for the first rise.  Third ,  where do you live. ?  not being a sticky beak,  but if close could give you a hand. Have you used the yeast to make other yeasty things.?   How old is the flour? What brand is your machine?
I have posted a fruit loaf recipe and process for bread machine,  there is also a discussion some where on what you are trying to do.    It may be on my Blog.  
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 02, 2013, 02:35:10 pm
Thanks ES.

JD, the breadmaker is just so convenient. I can switch it on, and still leave the house for the kids' hundred and one activities. I've used the oven to bake little buns before, from dough made in the breadmaker. But have yet to try whole loaves. Will try it next, after I figure out the TMX-dough-baked-in-breadmaker puzzle :)
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Post by: achookwoman on July 02, 2013, 02:37:10 pm
Brumington and BZB, I have just had a quick check on my blog.  There are photos of both fruit loaf and a light wholemeal loaf,  both cookie in Bread machine.
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 02, 2013, 02:38:39 pm
JD, dried yeast. Just followed one of the tips on the first page of this thread. Activate yeast in TMX before adding other ingredients.
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 02, 2013, 02:41:47 pm
Found one post Chookie. Bread looks good. The pan looks like mine :)

Just the bread looks different. Hahaha

http://achookwoman.blogspot.com.au/2011/11/bread-making-with-tmx-and-bread-machine.html
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 02, 2013, 02:50:03 pm
BZB,  this is a worry.  We all do different things with our bread so I am loath to change your process too much.  some questions, first,  why do you put your water in the thermos ?  Secondly,  why remove the dough from the TMX bowl for the first rise.  Third ,  where do you live. ?  not being a sticky beak,  but if close could give you a hand. Have you used the yeast to make other yeasty things.?   How old is the flour? What brand is your machine?
I have posted a fruit loaf recipe and process for bread machine,  there is also a discussion some where on what you are trying to do.    It may be on my Blog. 

Chookie,

I always pour excess boiled water into a thermos during winter. Can have warm water throughout the day :) What temperature water do you usually used for your breads?

Used a bowl, just to see if it would help. Plus easier cleaning of the TMX bowl...but I have another bowl to wash. Anyway, it has been proven to be an unnecessary step. Sigh.

I've been using this yeast almost daily, to make bread in the breadmaker. Defiance flour produced in April this year.

Mine is the current model of Panasonic.

I'm in Perth. Would still love a helping hand, Chookie ;D
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Post by: droverjess on July 02, 2013, 06:48:50 pm
My only comment would be that if it doubles on first rise the process is clearly going well. ;D

It is however possible to over knead before shaping and reduce the second rise. The air needs knocking back but it is a gentler thing than the original kneading. There are you tube videos on shaping loaves.

Plus are you time bound on second rise?

It should rise until it JUST bounces back to finger touch. If firm and bouncy not enough rise, if sinks and does not bounce back too much proofing. It takes a while to teach your fingers but it does come easier the more you bake.
Hope this helps.
 ;D

Edited for typo
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Post by: Brumington on July 02, 2013, 11:03:36 pm
OK so my theory doesn't work! I had a cheap bread oven and it never made a good loaf. I'm sure a more expensive one would convert me!
I understand the convenience of a bread oven but the cooking in the wall oven only takes 30 mins. I cook it while we're sitting down to lunch.
I have also started resting mine on a brewing mat which my DH bought to brew beer. I rescued it from the garage and use it for bread and yogurt. Not sure how much it was though but it works perfectly.
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 03, 2013, 03:29:16 am
Thanks DJ for your insight. I've never tested the feel with the rises. Just eye balled the height of the dough. I wasn't even at home for the proofings. Will have to change that.

After 2 days of lumps of failures, I'm using the bread maker completely today. Tired of eating defrosted slices ;D

Will give it another go when I have long stretches of time at home :)
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Post by: CreamPuff63 on July 03, 2013, 03:36:37 am
For me where I live (Perth), I have to allow about 2 1/2 hours to make bread in total. First proofing takes 1 hour, and 2nd rise half an hour whilst I turn oven on and wait for it to reach temperature. Never fails so I'm puzzled BZB.

Don't give up - get back on that horse and show it who's boss
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 03, 2013, 04:08:20 am
Thanks CP. I'm in Perth too. I must have over proofed the 2nd rise. Left it outside yesterday at about 2.30pm to do the school pick up. Continued indoor for about 1 hour when I took DS8 swimming.
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Post by: droverjess on July 03, 2013, 06:07:51 am
Good luck.
In UK temps 3 to 4 hours would be the norm depending on recipe etc.

On a good day first rise one hour, second rise 40 mins, but can take longer.
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Post by: achookwoman on July 03, 2013, 06:21:27 am
BZB,  sorry we are not closer,  I am in Victoria.  Take notice of the WA comments on rising times.   I have produced loaves like yours.  Usually something wrong with the process. You sound like you have a busy life and until you are really proficient at bread making,  this can cause problems.  Don't waste the dud loaves,  turn them into breadcrumbs and freeze them. 
Water temp should've like a baby's bottle.
If the bread deflates when you cut a cross in the top,  don't do it.  It just allows the loaf to rise evenly.
My bread maker is a  very old Panasonic. 
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Post by: droverjess on July 03, 2013, 07:01:24 am
Chookie is so right, busy lives and bread don't work well together.
The number of times I start bread then DH changes the plan for the day or I have to go do a job, usually at a critical time means the dough has to go in the fridge to slow it down. Although I can make this system work the bread is never quite as good.
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 04, 2013, 01:40:07 pm
Tried making a loaf again. I'm closer today but not quite there yet. Was going to fire up the oven but I ran out of time. So bread maker again.

My first rise was done in the TMX bowl in front of the heater. I waited for the MC to get pushed out, as per Hally's tip in another thread. But it never did :( I waited for 1hr 45mins before giving up.

 When I jiggled the bowl to get the dough out, 2/3 plopped on the table. The rest remained stuck in the bowl. I had to pull all the itsy bitsy pieces out whilst avoiding the blades. Then stuck the pieces to the main body like play dough :D

A crust had already formed on the surface as well :(

Could only give 20 mins to the 2nd rise. It seemed sticky, but there was a bounce when I touched it.

Used 50 mins instead of 1 hour for the baking, to get a thinner crust.

Loaf looked better, but it was still dense.

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Post by: achookwoman on July 04, 2013, 01:45:59 pm
BZB,  are you sure you yeast is ok..?
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 04, 2013, 02:13:11 pm
I think so, Chookie. Made bread in the breadmaker yesterday and it was fine.

:(
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 05, 2013, 09:45:03 am
Bored of loaves (especially failed ones ;D) at the moment. Made pineapple and cheese buns today for the boys' afternoon tea.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/05/nuzy2ebu.jpg)
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Post by: judydawn on July 05, 2013, 03:27:03 pm
They look nice BZB.  I had success with rolls before I cracked it with a loaf.

One more thought - you did use Bakers' Flour?
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 06, 2013, 03:37:00 pm
Yes, Defiance brand bread flour JD :)
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Post by: CreamPuff63 on July 07, 2013, 02:14:36 am
another thing I thought of is perhaps trying filtered water. I saw something the other day that said that the chemicals in tap water can stop the yeast activating.
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Post by: droverjess on July 07, 2013, 09:34:16 am
This may Not be relevant but my bread made with fresh yeast is always better than dried, but I know not everyone can get hold of it easily.

Are you using traditional dried or fast action sachets?
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 07, 2013, 01:49:17 pm
DJ, I used instant dried yeast. Lowan brand.

CP, I used filtered water.
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Post by: CreamPuff63 on July 07, 2013, 02:01:45 pm
Hmmn, and you are happy with happy with your cheese buns and don't think they have been compromised?  Aaaagh, takes me so long to get to correct spelling if iPad thins it knows better!!!! Go home stupid cos I'm off to bedddddddddd.....aaaaaghhhhh! (Hate auto correct *angr\y*))
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Post by: Cornish Cream on July 14, 2013, 02:49:33 pm
Used your recipe today Chookie to make a plait.Went a bit overboard with the poppy seeds :D :D :D
(http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad348/Cornish_cream/fa3c13da245e08eab2552416bd42fc3f.jpg)
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Post by: goldfish on July 14, 2013, 03:03:12 pm
That bread looks just terrific CC!! I don't think you went overboard with the poppy seeds ( love poppy seeds!) looks lovely on that beautiful rack of yours!!:)
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Post by: judydawn on July 14, 2013, 03:09:32 pm
Love your loaf CC, gee it's been a while since I made bread but my freezers are full again.
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Post by: droverjess on July 14, 2013, 03:35:48 pm
Lovely CC.... My tins are now packed!!!!
Perfect rising weather too.
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Post by: achookwoman on July 14, 2013, 03:51:52 pm
CC,  never too many seeds.  Looks lovely.
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Post by: BeezeeBee on July 14, 2013, 09:40:32 pm
Gorgeous bread, CC :)
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Post by: CreamPuff63 on July 15, 2013, 01:43:10 am
Looks great CC. I love poppy seeds too, and they get stuck in my front teeth.
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Post by: Brumington on July 15, 2013, 10:18:42 am
Beautiful loaf CC. I agree, there's no such thing as too many seeds.
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Post by: Frozzie on July 16, 2013, 03:35:27 pm
Made two lots of these so 12 rolls total for flat hamburger buns.. Made one lot for friends and the other lot for us :)

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/16/abe3agy6.jpg)

Love this recipe .. So easy .. Never fails :)
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Post by: fundj&e on July 16, 2013, 08:01:36 pm
perfect looking buns kim  ;D
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Post by: Frozzie on July 16, 2013, 10:21:49 pm
Thanks uni :)
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Post by: achookwoman on July 16, 2013, 10:37:04 pm
Frozzie,  these look so good.  Love these flat rolls.  What did you put on top to flatten them,  and when did you do it ?
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Post by: Wonder on July 16, 2013, 11:10:35 pm
They look perfect Frozzie
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Post by: Frozzie on July 17, 2013, 03:37:10 am
Thx guys

Chookie i put a second oiled tray on top of formed rolls that i had brushed with water after first rise as didnt have a free water bottle to spray (brushing worked fine) then gently pushed tray down onto them and as my tray wasnt overly heavy i put two empty muffin trays the same size on top of tray so when it did the second rise it rose out and not up.. Left it to rise until the rolls were practiclly touching then put in preheated oven with all of the trays on top still and a Container of water on bottom of oven and cooked as per recipe..which is how i remember yourself and maddy doing it if i remember some time back :)
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Post by: achookwoman on July 17, 2013, 04:28:29 am
Thanks Frozzie for a very clear description of what you did.  Yes it is the same as what I do ,  but yours look much better. ;D My trays are very heavy and flatten them a bit too much.  You have inspired me to have another go with lighter trays.
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Post by: Frozzie on July 17, 2013, 05:06:10 am
Just goes to show we all help each other in one way or another.. Love this place 😁
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Post by: cookie1 on July 21, 2013, 12:10:38 pm
Lovely rolls Kim.
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Post by: BeezeeBee on August 14, 2013, 10:33:57 am
Made the No Fuss Bread today. First round was a disaster. The dough was crumbly after kneading. Couldn't figure out the problem until I started making up a new dough. Made a mistake with the water - 200 ml instead of 300 ml! By then I had thrown away the first lot.

Ingredients as per Chookie's recipe. Only tweak: 1 tsp bread improver and 15 g butter.

1st rise 1.5 hours
Intermediate rise before final shaping 30 mins
2nd rise 1.5 hours

The final result is not as spread out as Chookie's bread :(

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/14/ybu2a6ut.jpg)
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Post by: judydawn on August 14, 2013, 10:39:13 am
Lovely BB, you must be thrilled with them.
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Post by: achookwoman on August 14, 2013, 01:05:25 pm
BZB,  these look very good.  If you warm the tin slightly before you put the loaf in,  then you will get a  fuller rise.  Just need a bit more confidence with the slashing. 
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Post by: BeezeeBee on August 14, 2013, 01:29:14 pm
BZB,  these look very good.  If you warm the tin slightly before you put the loaf in,  then you will get a  fuller rise.  Just need a bit more confidence with the slashing.

Thanks Chookie for the guidance.

:) :D **HaPpY** ;D :)
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Post by: BeezeeBee on August 18, 2013, 09:33:14 am
Today's bread: 50% whole wheat and 50% bread flour. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/18/ru5a3u6a.jpg)
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Post by: Katiej on August 18, 2013, 11:09:56 am
Great bread BZB!
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Post by: judydawn on August 18, 2013, 11:21:20 am
You've got it BZB, lovely looking bread.
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Post by: kmw on December 01, 2013, 07:13:33 am
DH & I made this today and it turned out great.  We have frozen half and just about to have some with scramble eggs for tea.
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Post by: achookwoman on December 01, 2013, 08:12:05 pm
KMW, pleased you are enjoying this recipe.   I have just made it and created an Olive and Rosemary loaf.  I made bread as normal up to second rise and left it in the bowl.  I put it back on the machine and added 1  1/4 cups of sliced olives and 3 tips of fresh Rosemary that had been cut into small bits and cooked in 1 tablespoon of olive oil.  All  added to bowl and kneaded again for 45 seconds. Bake as normal.   This bread freezes well and reheats well. Have fun with the recipe. 
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Post by: kmw on December 02, 2013, 10:32:09 am
Olive & Rosemary Loaf yum. Once we have made this a few times we will have to experiment. Thanks to guidance on the forum I have graduate from disaster to bread I would serve to guests 😄
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Post by: judydawn on December 02, 2013, 10:49:55 am
You and plenty of others on here Kerry.  Who'd ever thought we would all become bread makers when we bought the Thermomix.
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Post by: achookwoman on December 02, 2013, 11:41:45 am
Kmw,  the more you make the better you get. 
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Post by: achookwoman on December 07, 2013, 06:46:08 pm
KMW, pleased you are enjoying this recipe.   I have just made it and created an Olive and Rosemary loaf.  I made bread as normal up to second rise and left it in the bowl.  I put it back on the machine and added 1  1/4 cups of sliced olives and 3 tips of fresh Rosemary that had been cut into small bits and cooked in 1 tablespoon of olive oil.  All  added to bowl and kneaded again for 45 seconds. Bake as normal.   This bread freezes well and reheats well. Have fun with the recipe. 
Had surprise visitors for Dinner so was able to quickly heat an olive and rosemary bread stick .  Great to have in freezer.
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Post by: Itsnotartitsdinner on December 07, 2013, 10:12:46 pm
This was delicious. I used this recipe for our burger bread rolls last night ;)  (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/pezujuvy.jpg)

It made six large ones.
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Post by: droverjess on December 07, 2013, 10:26:59 pm
Looks like lovely light rolls. Fab.
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Post by: Wonder on December 08, 2013, 01:26:53 am
That burger looks fantastic
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Post by: achookwoman on December 08, 2013, 02:09:17 am
yummmmmmy.
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Post by: Itsnotartitsdinner on January 06, 2014, 02:27:55 am
These were great for cheese and bacon rolls today. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/ynehupe2.jpg)
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Post by: achookwoman on January 06, 2014, 06:55:13 am
These look great.  You are going great with this recipe. 
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Post by: Kimmyh on January 06, 2014, 08:46:46 am
Lovely rolls.
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Post by: Katiej on January 06, 2014, 08:57:53 am
They do look delicious.
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Post by: Cornish Cream on January 06, 2014, 09:58:27 am
Wow those look great 8)
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Post by: Itsnotartitsdinner on January 06, 2014, 12:25:26 pm
It's so easy. Thanks Chookie. They tasted great too.
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Post by: achookwoman on January 06, 2014, 09:35:19 pm
This is a basic recipe.  You can add almost anything to it without it failing.  Recently I simmered a little chopped Rosemary in olive oil and added this with sliced olives to the mix after the first rise.  You could add the olives at the start but I don't like the pinkish color that the olives give the bread if you do this.
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Post by: Thermesa on January 11, 2014, 08:36:27 pm
Proving while I enjoy my coffee.
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Post by: achookwoman on January 11, 2014, 10:07:19 pm
Thermesa,  enjoy both coffee and bread.    ;D
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Post by: Thermesa on January 12, 2014, 12:00:01 am
Happy with this loaf today. I was impatient about the rise today but all good!
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Post by: moysie on March 22, 2014, 03:45:47 am
Made these today, I thought the dough seemed quite wet after the first rise?? (Don't know if that is standard or not being a newbie) but they turned out pretty gear I thought. Thanks for the recipe!
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Post by: achookwoman on March 22, 2014, 04:33:41 am
Mousiest,  bread loves moisture and warmth.  The wetter the dough the better the rise.  Glad you are making your own bread. 
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Post by: moysie on March 22, 2014, 04:37:00 am
Thanks Achookwoman : :)
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Post by: cookie1 on March 22, 2014, 07:09:21 am
Congratulations Moysie. I love this recipe you can do so much with it.
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Post by: moysie on March 23, 2014, 09:55:41 am
Thanks Cookie  :)
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Post by: Cornish Cream on April 06, 2014, 01:14:00 pm
Made with Malted Granary Flour.
(http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad348/Cornish_cream/b76d5d80ebfa21e2700bebd82a5790a8.jpg)
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Post by: judydawn on April 06, 2014, 02:06:09 pm
Nice rolls CC.
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Post by: Cornish Cream on April 06, 2014, 03:07:20 pm
Thanks Judy.I made them to go with the Pulled Pork tonight  ;D
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Post by: Lucyluu on April 07, 2014, 01:10:16 am
I make this as a loaf to cook in my slow cooker.Add about 10 grams more water, I swap out 100 grams of bread flour for 100 grm of rye flour then  I add 3 tablespoons of mixed seeds while its kneading. Never had a failure. Perfect.
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Post by: cookie1 on April 07, 2014, 08:32:55 am
CC they look perfect.

Lucyluu another brilliant idea. Thanks.
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Post by: achookwoman on April 07, 2014, 12:17:41 pm
CC ,  the rolls look very nice. 
Lucylou,  glad to see you playing with this recipe.  It is intended as a basic recipe,  to be fiddled with.
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Post by: Cornish Cream on April 07, 2014, 12:26:40 pm
Thanks girls :-*
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Post by: JulieO on April 07, 2014, 11:17:20 pm
Lovely rolls Cornish  :D

Thanks for the tips Lucy, have made a note.  ;D
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Post by: Bonsai on April 15, 2014, 12:45:24 pm
I got an idea from the lovely "Not Quite Nigella" blog for a feta and garlic loaf. I put 10 cloves of unpeeled garlic in a tiny saucepan with olive oil to cover and simmered them until really tender, drained, cooled and peeled and mashed. I use some of the garlicky oil to oil my bread tin then hand- kneaded the squashed garlic and 125g of feta (mine was home made goats milk feta) through the dough recipe at the end of the first rise. Put the dough in the tin and let it rise as usual as a loaf and cooked 210 degrees C until brown, about 35 mins in my oven. A very tasty loaf that has kept well.
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Post by: Frozzie on April 15, 2014, 12:52:30 pm
Sounds delish bonsai :)
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Post by: achookwoman on April 15, 2014, 09:38:08 pm
Bonsai,  yuuuum.
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Post by: cookie1 on April 16, 2014, 12:24:06 pm
Garlic and feta. It sounds just perfect to me.
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Post by: Bonsai on April 16, 2014, 01:07:09 pm
I'd make it again, the garlic cooks quickly and peels really easily once cool. I think I'll make a big batch next time and keep some for other tasty purposes. My feta was quite soft and melted in to the bread, but a firmer own would give little chunks of yum. I think some herbs would be nice, maybe put a sprig of rosemary in with the garlic as it cooks.
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Post by: cookie1 on April 18, 2014, 02:44:53 am
My mouth is watering Bonsai.
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Post by: fundj&e on April 18, 2014, 10:19:39 am
yum Bonsai

i add garlic , anchovies and olives
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Post by: Katiej on July 19, 2014, 07:01:09 am
I made 3 batches of this today and made 2 loaves of bread and ham & cheese pizza scrolls.
Finally used my pipe loaf tin.

I love this recipe, as it's the first bread recipe I had success with and it got me on my way to baking all sorts of bread. Thanks Chookie!

 (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/19/ty9epasu.jpg)

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/19/y6y9udub.jpg)
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Post by: judydawn on July 19, 2014, 08:26:35 am
I should have called in for a taste test on my way home today Katie, look what I missed out on  ;D
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Post by: Cornish Cream on July 19, 2014, 08:37:31 am
Great baking Katie 8)
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Post by: achookwoman on July 20, 2014, 11:07:11 am
Katie,  you are on a bread roll.  ,!
This recipe is so basic it is easy to remember.  Glad you like it.
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Post by: cookie1 on July 20, 2014, 12:32:12 pm
I have no trouble remembering this recipe Chookie. I make it several times a week.
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Post by: rainbow on August 04, 2014, 10:30:03 am
Such an easy recipe, don't know why I didn't try it earlier, first prove was by the window in the sunshine and second in the oven ( warm from previous baking) with a bowl of warm water (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/04/a3urabag.jpg)
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Post by: Kimmyh on August 04, 2014, 10:33:36 am
Great looking rolls rainbow.
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Post by: achookwoman on August 04, 2014, 10:47:41 am
Rainbow,  glad you liked them.   This is a basic recipe and can be ' fiddled ' with.  Can add soaked grains.
Can add a little more water and another 1/2 teaspoon of yeast for a lighter version. 
Can make with wholemeal flour,  add a little more water.
Make savoury scrolls.
And lots of things that Forum members have done.
Have fun.  ;D
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Post by: judydawn on August 04, 2014, 11:03:04 am
Perfect rolls Rainbow.
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Post by: cookie1 on August 04, 2014, 12:40:29 pm
Hello Rainbow. How were your travels?  The rolls look lovely.
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Post by: Cornish Cream on August 04, 2014, 12:59:48 pm
Great bread rolls Rainbow :)
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Post by: Cornish Cream on December 30, 2014, 12:01:34 pm
Made another favourite bread recipe today.Need rolls for lunch.Took a while proving but so worth it. ;D
(http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad348/Cornish_cream/a63c76018315462dff1cab8a7ff1d4b8.jpg)
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Post by: achookwoman on December 30, 2014, 08:07:37 pm
CC, this may help with the proving in the cold weather. Shower cap on top, float in sink of warm water.
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Post by: Cornish Cream on December 30, 2014, 08:10:46 pm
What a great tip Chookie,thanks  :-* :-*
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Post by: achookwoman on December 30, 2014, 08:14:24 pm
Can't put photo up on Tapatalk, sorry. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/30/db924fc94b7e8d6a919af5b4c027fb03.jpg)
Got it!
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Post by: achookwoman on December 30, 2014, 08:17:30 pm
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Post by: Cornish Cream on December 30, 2014, 08:38:02 pm
I can see the photos Chookie  ;D
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Post by: achookwoman on December 30, 2014, 08:51:01 pm
CC,  strange,  not showing up here. I have sent one via mail.
Just came up.
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Post by: Cornish Cream on December 30, 2014, 08:51:58 pm
Thanks Chookie :-* :-*
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Post by: Decadent Dot on January 21, 2015, 01:45:20 pm
I notice that the recipe is pretty much the same as the Sandwich Bread in the TM5 basic chip. I will have to try rolls  next time I make it.
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Post by: achookwoman on January 21, 2015, 08:54:28 pm
Dot,  this recipe can be made into rolls,  bread sticks or  a loaf.  Be generous with the yeast measurement and I have been adding an extra 20 mils of water.   You can replace some of the white flour with seeds or a different flour such as Rye or wholemeal. It is also a good base for a fruit loaf.
Yesterday my GS made it, with a great deal of handling, into 6 rolls and 3 bread sticks. This was with 1 1/2 times the mixture. I sometimes make 1/2 the mixture into small rolls and bake them in the AF.
When I got my TMX 31 about 5 years ago,  I contacted TMX Australia to complain about the quality of the bread they provided at the Demos. The main issue was the single rise they used. It was a time management issue with them.  I hope they have changed the method,  but I haven't checked as there many excellent bread recipes on the. forum.
I hope you enjoy your bread making.
Title: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on January 22, 2015, 01:15:59 am
Dot I use this as the basis for our everyday bread. As Chookie said you can add anything you like. A couple of our favourites are replacing 100g of the flour with either spelt flour or rye. Another is adding lots of toasted seeds. The seeds don't have to be toasted though.
Have fun.
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Post by: achookwoman on January 22, 2015, 02:56:23 am
Looks good Cookie.
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Post by: achookwoman on January 22, 2015, 02:58:12 am
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Max's bread.  1. 1/2 times recipe.
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Post by: droverjess on January 22, 2015, 08:15:09 am
Wonderful chookie, great skill to learn young  ;D
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Post by: Cornish Cream on June 14, 2015, 07:19:11 pm
I used this wonderful recipe to use my mini loaf tins for the challenge (http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=16573.0) today.This time I used 420g Malted Brown Strong Flour and 100g of Stoneground Wholemeal Strong Flour.Sprinkled half with poppy seeds and half with sesame seeds.Ate them tonight with soup.Delicious.
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Post by: achookwoman on June 14, 2015, 10:49:22 pm
CC, these do look nice.  I think they may be baked in the same tin that I have.  Mine are not non stick. The cake release work quite well on them.
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Post by: Cornish Cream on June 30, 2015, 04:55:45 pm
I couldn't resist making bread today seeing we have lovely warm weather.Its fantastic that it proved so quickly.My kitchen got a bit hot with the oven on but I had to cook a Quiche so it didn't matter.
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Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on June 30, 2015, 07:46:07 pm
Very nice, CC.
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Post by: Cornish Cream on June 30, 2015, 07:56:13 pm
Thanks Chookie :-*
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Post by: Wonder on June 30, 2015, 09:48:15 pm
Great looking bread CC
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Post by: judydawn on July 01, 2015, 01:27:38 am
Great plaiting CC.
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Post by: cookie1 on July 01, 2015, 02:11:11 am
Lovely CC. I plaited a loaf the other day and it was very, very long so I decided to be smart and twist it back on itself.  It tasted lovely but looked  all knotted and yuk. Not impressive as I had hoped.
I love this recipe and make it for our everyday bread with spelt, rye and a few seeds.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on July 01, 2015, 03:06:11 am
Cookie, if you plait a long loaf, just wind it around, like a spiral, not over the top. I sometimes make rolls by rolling a long sausage and wind this around my finger and pinch the tail under. The Center pops up.
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Post by: cookie1 on July 01, 2015, 07:18:34 am
Thanks Chookie. I will do that next time. I was trying to be a smarty pants.  :D
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Post by: Cornish Cream on July 01, 2015, 08:19:48 am
Thanks girls. :)
Title: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on September 03, 2015, 11:48:55 am
I used this recipe to make some long thin rolls for dinner  tomorrow night. We are going for a drive to Busselton so wanted something quick and easy when we get home. It will be sausages, balsamic onions in the rolls.
Title: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on October 11, 2015, 07:21:08 am
I love this recipe. It is so easily adapted to your requirements. Today it is 3 long rolls and the rest went into the pipe tin. I also replaced some of the flour with rye flour.
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Post by: judydawn on October 11, 2015, 07:29:02 am
Lovely cookie.
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Post by: Katiej on October 11, 2015, 08:19:48 am
Lovely Cookie.
This is a great recipe.
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Post by: achookwoman on October 11, 2015, 11:16:06 am
I think the thing about this recipe is that it is easy to remember.  It also allows you to play around and still produce an acceptable loaf.  cookie had just demonstrated this.  I also find this the best recipe for the mini SC.  however for bread sticks I like Cookies Vienna recipe.
Title: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on October 13, 2015, 11:54:37 am
I used this recipe again today as a base to try and create a New Norcia ( a small town north of Perth) fruit loaf. The monks there bake in wood fired ovens. Nikkit made one and it looked so nice I've tried to copy hers. I haven't cut it yet.

Here is the cut view as well.
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: Cornish Cream on October 13, 2015, 07:24:02 pm
It looks lovely Cookie.
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Post by: judydawn on October 13, 2015, 11:22:52 pm
It looks perfect to me cookie.
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Post by: achookwoman on October 14, 2015, 08:14:03 am
Yummy Cookie.  What did you include. .?
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Post by: cookie1 on October 14, 2015, 11:56:40 am
I took out a tablespoon of water and added 2 tablespoons of molasses. Then figs, dates and dried apricots that I had chopped. Also a handful of walnuts and macadamias. Next time I will add more fruit.
We all had a slice of two for supper last night.
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Post by: achookwoman on October 14, 2015, 09:41:40 pm
Cookie, that does sound nice.
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Post by: Wonder on October 14, 2015, 11:44:49 pm
that looks and sounds lovely Cookie
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Post by: MEP on March 12, 2016, 10:45:11 pm
I have just read all 15? Pages of the slow cooker bread and want to give it a go. I will use this recipe. Is white flour, bread flour or self raising or plain? Thanks!
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Post by: judydawn on March 12, 2016, 10:48:44 pm
Bread flour MEP.
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Post by: MEP on March 12, 2016, 10:53:38 pm
Thanks again Judy. I've spent the entire afternoon on here reading posts on various recipes...so many to try!
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Post by: cookie1 on March 13, 2016, 03:51:54 am
You are so right MEP. I sat down half and hour ago to find a specific recipe and I've been looking at heaps instead of going to the specific one I want. It's djinni's small SC bread and I must go to it now!!!!
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Post by: MEP on March 13, 2016, 12:23:04 pm
What is SC bread Cookie? Did you mean sour dough? My hubby loves sour dough. We used to buy our bread from New Norcia bakery in Mt Hawthorn. They made the best fruit loaf and sour dough. We've yet to find bread anywhere as good as New Norcia's in Perth here in the US where we are.
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Post by: judydawn on March 13, 2016, 12:47:21 pm
SC is slow cooker MEP.
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Post by: MEP on March 13, 2016, 12:52:43 pm
Thanks for clarifying Judy. I'm going to try making bread in the slow cooker today. Which recipe would you recommend? This is my first time. I will be using the New Wave 5-1 multi cooker.
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Post by: judydawn on March 13, 2016, 03:17:13 pm
Have a read of this thread MEP. I've done both the Vienna loaf and Chookie's no fuss loaf.
http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=14841.0
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: MEP on March 13, 2016, 03:55:42 pm
Judy, making bread in the SC was the thread that I read in its entirety - all 15 pages - yesterday that got me wanting to try it. I just wanted some advice on which bread recipe - Vienna or plain white - I should try. What's the difference in taste between plain white and Vienna?

Thanks.
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Post by: MEP on March 13, 2016, 05:37:46 pm
Judy - please disregard previous question. I just read all 14 pages of the original Vienna loaf thread and have decided to go with Vienna loaf as a trial using the slow cooker. I have NEVER made bread before. Lots of baking of sweet treats, but not bread so am keen to try.

Just one question though. Is there much of a taste/textural difference with the Vienna loaf between conventional oven cooking versus the SC??
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: achookwoman on March 13, 2016, 07:50:15 pm
I'll stick my nose in here.
SC or Crock Pot bread is denser than oven baked bread.
The Vienna, which I love is lighter than No Fuss.
The thing to watch , is the size of your SC. A small SC uses 1/2 recipe and 3 to 5 litre ones the full recipe. With the 3 litre one I have to weigh down the lid as it tends to want to push the lid off.
Good idea to spray the lid with oil so lid doesn't stick to lid.
You might need to have a couple of goes to get the timing right. Write down what you did and adjust it next time.
Have fun and let us know how you go.
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Post by: MEP on March 13, 2016, 09:00:10 pm
Thanks Chookie. Your nose is always welcome given it provides such fantastic advice and tips. :) I just realized my multi-cooker is too big - it's nearly 6 litres. Will try the Vienna loaf in the oven and then will have to buy a small SC to try the SC bread.
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Post by: judydawn on March 13, 2016, 10:10:47 pm
Thanks Chookie and good luck MEP.  You'll find breadmaking so rewarding.  I believe you can still use a large SC by placing your dough into a bread tin first but I've never tried it myself.  If you make your first loaf in the oven you will then have something to compare your SC loaves with.
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Post by: cookie1 on March 14, 2016, 01:51:30 am
Have fun MEP. Bread making is so rewarding, it is my favourite type of baking.
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Post by: cookie1 on April 24, 2016, 08:45:10 am
I really love this recipe, it is so versatile. DH shaped rolls for soup and hamburger shaped ones for dinner.
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Post by: Cornish Cream on April 24, 2016, 09:02:19 am
Fresh bread is always wonderful to eat. :)
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Post by: judydawn on April 24, 2016, 10:39:18 am
He did well cookie.
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Post by: achookwoman on April 25, 2016, 12:52:53 am
Well done Cookie's DH. What a star. ;D
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Post by: mab19 on April 25, 2016, 01:08:11 am
Lovely looking rolls Cookie & DH.
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Post by: achookwoman on April 25, 2016, 07:37:26 am
12 rolls for less than $1.


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Post by: achookwoman on April 25, 2016, 07:38:15 am
Lovely looking rolls Cookie & DH.

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Post by: achookwoman on April 25, 2016, 07:39:25 am
12 rolls for less than $1.


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Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: judydawn on April 25, 2016, 07:56:15 am
Great value rolls Chookie.
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Post by: Cornish Cream on April 25, 2016, 09:22:02 am
Super bread rolls Chookie.I love using this recipe. :)
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Post by: cookie1 on April 25, 2016, 10:18:18 am
Isn't it wonderful that we can do this and with almost no effort. Lovely looking rolls Chookie.
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Post by: achookwoman on April 25, 2016, 10:07:25 pm
Cookie and Judy, this is my lazy bread recipe. When I can't be bothered thinking this is just so easy.
The new oven gets hotter than my one at Cherokee. I am going to enjoy this.
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Post by: cookie1 on April 26, 2016, 04:29:09 am
Cookie and Judy, this is my lazy bread recipe. When I can't be bothered thinking this is just so easy.
The new oven gets hotter than my one at Cherokee. I am going to enjoy this.

That's good Chookie. Enjoy the bread making.
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Post by: judydawn on April 26, 2016, 05:55:49 am
I made this recipe in my little SC this morning Chookie.
Title: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on July 28, 2016, 03:23:44 am
I love this recipe, it is so easy to add to and change.
Yesterday I made this and at the 50 second point of the kneading I added about 1/2-3/4 cup of sliced black olives as well as about a teaspoon of rosemary.
I had picked a few sprigs of rosemary, wrapped it in a paper towel and microwaved it for about 30 seconds. ( watch that it doesn't catch fire, it shouldn't after only 30 seconds). I then crumbled up the dried bits and added to the dough.

After the first rise I plaited the dough. ( I wasn't brave enough to try more than 3 pieces). Before baking it I sprinkled it with herb garlic salt.
Thanks for a wonderful recipe Chookie.

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Post by: thermilover on July 28, 2016, 05:03:42 am
Your variation sounds yummmm Cookie!
The loaf looks good as well :)
I am just starting to get better at bread making, will slowly try creating variations.. I had tried wholemeal and I ended up putting a little bit more water so the loaf ended soggy, from then I have been really scared to experiment..
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Post by: Cornish Cream on July 28, 2016, 07:46:06 am
What a lovely loaf Cookie 8)

Good luck with your breadmaking thermilover.I love the smell of homemade bread cooking :)
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Post by: judydawn on July 28, 2016, 10:39:47 am
Nothing beats it Denise, the smell of home made bread and freshly brewed coffee, not that I've smelt it in my house for a while now!  Lovely looking loaf cookie.
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Post by: achookwoman on July 28, 2016, 09:43:50 pm
Cookie, that does sound nice and looks very professional.  Perfect to have with soup this cold weather.
I cut some rolls in half and buttered them with garlic butter, 5 minutes in AF. Excellent.
Title: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: cookie1 on March 19, 2017, 11:35:26 am
I know I have said it before but I love this recipe. I wanted to make a chocolate babka sort of thing but use a recipe I knew. I made this and used a good squirt of molasses as part of the liquid. When I knocked the dough down I divided it in 2 and rolled each piece out to a rectangle. I spread Nutella over it and rolled it up. I sliced it partially through lengthwise. I put the pieces beside each other and twisted them together. It isn't a thing of beauty, but the taste is fantastic.
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Post by: judydawn on March 19, 2017, 11:59:58 am
Clever cookie!
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Post by: Cornish Cream on March 19, 2017, 01:24:03 pm
Clever cookie!
I second that!! Very clever.
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Post by: achookwoman on March 19, 2017, 07:24:53 pm
Cookie. That is fantastic.
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Post by: mab19 on March 19, 2017, 11:07:44 pm
That looks good Cookie.  I won't let my GD see it, she is a nutellaaholic :D :D
Title: Re: Plain White rolls - no fuss
Post by: musicalmummy on April 24, 2017, 05:42:36 am
FKM,  plain white rolls,  no fuss.

520g white flour
2 teasp. dried yeast.
300mls. warm water
1 teasp. each of sugar and salt

Place in bowl, knead for 4 mins
Leave in bowl until double
Form into rolls or loaf, spray with water
Leave to rise to double
Bake in pre heated oven, 210c. for 20 mins

The whole process will take less than 2 hours


To freeze bread.
When cool , wrap bread in foil and freeze.
If a loaf, it can be sliced when cool, and frozen with or without baking paper between slices.
Remove slices as required.
For rolls and bread sticks.....
Place in hot oven,  still in foil ,  or unwrap and quickly place under running water and then place in hot oven.   This can be done to frozen or thawed bread sticks or rolls. 
It is best not to refresh bread in microwave as it changes the texture of the bread.

If you know you are going to freeze bread sticks or rolls,  it is best to under cook them by 5/10 mins,  depending on size .
When I bake a loaf,  I usually cut it in 1/2 and wrap one 1/2 in foil and freeze and store the other 1/2 in a paper or plastic bag to be used over the following days.




First time making this. I suck at bread. After it kneaded it looked like little balls. Normal??
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Post by: cookie1 on April 24, 2017, 10:40:12 am
Did you knead it for the full 4 minutes? This recipe is like little balls for a while but you just keep kneading.
By the way welcome to the forum.
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Post by: musicalmummy on April 24, 2017, 12:20:43 pm
Did you knead it for the full 4 minutes? This recipe is like little balls for a while but you just keep kneading.
By the way welcome to the forum.
Set the thermie timer for the 4 minutes. So should I have done more?
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Post by: cookie1 on April 24, 2017, 12:37:34 pm
No, it should have been beautiful and smooth. Was your amount of water 300ml? It sounds as though the dough was dry. What sort of flour did you use?  Different flours absorb different amounts of water.
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Post by: achookwoman on April 26, 2017, 01:13:21 am
Sounds like not enough water. Look through the hole in lid after 2 minutes, and if the dough is not clumping together add more water,
. A tablespoon at a time.
During summer or if using wholemeal flour I add at least 2 tablespoons more water.
You may then need to knead for an extra minute.
It is better to have a wetter dough than a too dry one.
Good luck musicalmummy.
Keep us posted and keep asking for help.
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Post by: judydawn on August 28, 2019, 02:16:21 am
Ive made these this morning for a gf coming to lunch, have not made rolls for years.
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Post by: achookwoman on August 28, 2019, 07:04:45 am
Judy, they look good.  Nothing like fresh rolls. Sounds like you are back cooking. . 
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Post by: cookie1 on August 28, 2019, 08:13:23 am
Very nice Judy. I love this recipe, it can be almost anything you wish.
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Post by: judydawn on August 28, 2019, 12:26:29 pm
Not back cooking too much yet Chookie but thought Id put some extra effort in for a special friend whos had a rough time of late. 
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Post by: achookwoman on August 28, 2019, 01:06:12 pm
Judy, that is a very nice thought.  I am sure she would appreciate your effort.
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Post by: judydawn on August 28, 2019, 02:32:35 pm
Thanks Chookie, she certainly did.  She brought me these lovely roses.
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Post by: achookwoman on August 28, 2019, 11:40:04 pm
The roses are lovely Judy.
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Post by: cookie1 on August 29, 2019, 03:37:02 am
It is very kind of you Judy. I'm sure you both enjoyed it.