Forum Thermomix
Thermomix Recipes for TM5 and TM31 => Bread => Topic started by: Lovemythermo on March 14, 2011, 01:53:42 am
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My first bread disaster yesterday. It was a cooler day here in the Adelaide Hills and my bread just wouldnt rise. I use the no fuss recipe and leave it to rise in the bowl, which it didnt.
Does anyone have any hints or tips on getting bread to rise on a cooler day? I've heard about putting in a warm car but thats parked in the garage, and there were no warm rooms in the house at all. I havent had a bread disaster since I first got Thermie!
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I put it in the oven at 50 degrees. Works for me as at the moment we quite often have the air conditioning on.
Debbie
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LMT, a few inovative tips. Needs to between 20/25 degrees to rise well.
If leaving in bowl.... In the sun behind glass window
heat oven to 70 and place in there, turn oven off
In bed with electric blanket on
In preheated clothes dryer
Out of TMX bowl. All of above
over sink of hot water with tea towel over top or shower cap on.
If sun has been falling on tiles, then this a good spot to place bowl.
warm bowl before placing dough in.
On top of electric hot water service
on top of electric coffee machine that has a cup warming function.
I am sure that there are many more ways to keep the dough warm.
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Earlier today I used a heat lamp (http://www.amazon.com/WATTS-HOURS-LIGHT-INDUSTRIAL-INFRARED/dp/B000STDLFE) because my usual sites (Excalibur dehydrators) were in use drying a bunch of banana chips.
Someone gave me a whole STALK of bananas.
I spritz a dish towel with water so it is barely damp and keep it that way and have the heat lamp suspended about 3 feet above the bowl for the first rise and the sheet and loaf pans after they were shaped for the final rise.
When I was still breeding basenjis, I used the heat lamps to keep the mum and newborn pups warm and I had purchased several and still have a couple in the original boxes. The newer ones use less power than the old ones.
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Place it in the varoma dish (either in the bread mat, on parchment or in a bowl) and place over the TMX jug with hot water in it - this was passed to me by a customer and she swears by it.
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I often used JD's idea and put the dough in a bowl in the dishwasher just after it has finished it's cycle. Does a great job. Thanks JD :-*
If the dishwasher is not available I heat my oven to 50 degrees, turn the heat off but leave the light on and put the dough in there.
I remember someone else putting the dough in the lovely warm car.
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LMT, a few inovative tips. Needs to between 20/25 degrees to rise well.
If leaving in bowl.... In the sun behind glass window
heat oven to 70 and place in there, turn oven off
In bed with electric blanket on
In preheated clothes dryer
Out of TMX bowl. All of above
over sink of hot water with tea towel over top or shower cap on.
If sun has been falling on tiles, then this a good spot to place bowl.
warm bowl before placing dough in.
On top of electric hot water service
on top of electric coffee machine that has a cup warming function.
I am sure that there are many more ways to keep the dough warm.
If the top of your fridge is accessible, that is an area that is usually warmer than anywhere else in the kitchen, especially near the back, above the coil area, even if they are enclosed.
My big fridge is built in but the smaller one I have in the pantry for cheese and produce maintains a constant temp of near 80° F, even when the rest of the pantry is just above 60. 80° F is pretty close to ideal for proofing most breads.
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I don't understand why you had problems proving on a cold day. I sometimes put mine in the fridge for a slow rise - it still rises but can sometimes take overnight, depending on the temperature that it started at ... A lot of bakers recommend a slow rise for better flavour. I tend to use a sponge or some old dough for the flavour and make the bread a bit quicker.
I can't add any more hints and tips as theres already loads here :-\ :-\
Nik
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thank you for your suggestions everyone. I knew you would know the answer!
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Prior to my Thermomix days when cooking was very laborious! I used to put the dough on a tray covered in glad wrap over a bowl of boiling water. On the really cold days I would even warm teatowels in the microwave an wrap it all up in them.
I've not had any trouble since getting my Thermie and the mat. Partners in crime they are! ;)
Good luck!
PS How old is your yeast? If that is a few weeks old it might be past it's effective date.
To test your yeast - place one teaspoon of yeast and one teaspoon of sugar into a glass. Add quite warm water and stir. Leave to stand for approx 10 minutes. After doing this, if there is more than about 10mm of foam in the glass, then the yeast is still active. If not, your yeast wont give you the best results.
Hope this helps!
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A couple of ideas I use on cold days are- put a bowl of boiling water on the floor of the oven and place your bread on a shelf. Close the door.
The second is to put the oven on about 50 and as soon as the light goes out turn it off. Then place your bread in the oven until it has risen.
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My bathroom faces east so is the warmest room in the house in the mornings (if the sun is out of course) so I place the TM bowl with the dough in it on the window ledge. If there is no sun I use the 50oC method in the oven.
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I thought it would be a great idea to put mine outside in the warm sun one day to help it rise more quickly. I placed the jug on my outdoor table and put a shower cap over the bowl. All was well until my dog came into the house covered in bread dough!
Wherever you put it make sure it is dog proof. Picking out bread dough from poodle fur is not fun!
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Sorry pandateddy, I just had to laugh when I read this. Did you happen to take a photo, would love to see it - certainly would not have liked the job of cleaning him/her up though.
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Love the poodle tale - while anywhere has been warm in Rockhampton since I have overcome my bread making issues, for a quick proving I put the dough in the car - we all know how warm locked cars in the sun can get. I think it was Maddy who posted that suggestion in an earlier post!
Cheers - Robyn :) :)
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:D :D I loved your dog story as well pandateddy.We have recently taken on a dog and he decided he would help himself to one of the dumplings that was sitting on the kitchen bench waiting to be placed on top of the casserole.I know push things to the back of the unit. ;)
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Being just a newbie, have tried both basic bread recipe (EDC) and tonight pizza dough recipe (EDC) both using dried yeast sachet (tandaco brand from supermarket) and neither rose, but went ahead anyhows bread no too good, pizza was thin & crispy! Live in Brisbane, still not super warm here, so maybe it was lack of warmth to prove .. ?
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Fujicat it could be that your yeast is dead. Put the yeast in lukewarm water with a bit of sugar and leave it for 10 minutes. If it doesn't foam then your yeast is dead.
On a cold day I put my dough in a bowl in a sink with a few inches of luke warm water in it and cover the sink with a cutting board.
I've heard of people putting their dough in the car due to the heat in it but I'd forget it was there.
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How long did you leave it for Fujicat? I find that I normally have to double the rising times of most EDC recipes. To prove my bread I normally heat my oven to 50 degrees, turn it off and pop the dough in there to rise. :)
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Thanks, will test my yeast using glass water/sugar method tonight, being newbie I am following the recommended EDC instructions to a tee at present until I get feel for timings/etc. In future will check this forum for any tweaks to the EDC recipes. Kathy.
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Yup, had 10mm of foam, so yeast is fine. Might try the hot car option next time, but set an alarm on my mobile phone to remind me where my dough has gone!!!!! :D :D
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On cold days I boil the kettle and half fill my thermoserver with it. I then make my bread dough. Once the dough is done I empty and dry my Thermoserver and oil it lightly. I put my dough in here with the lid on to prove and that usually is enough. If it's really cold I'll pre heat my oven to 50oc, turn it off and then put the thermoserver with a damp tea towel instead of the lid over the top. This seems to work best for me. I have tried various different yeasts too and have found that the individual packets - even though they are more expensive - sem to give a better result. I also use a good quality organic bread making flour. I have tried using just plain flour and it failed every time.
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Place it in the varoma dish (either in the bread mat, on parchment or in a bowl) and place over the TMX jug with hot water in it - this was passed to me by a customer and she swears by it.
I was only thinking today what I will do now that the weather is cooling down, this is a great tip, thanks heaps.
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Also in Adelaide. We've been proving once in bread mat for set time but then doing a second prove in oven tin, in oven with just the light on for 20-30 mins. It's giving us much more 'beautiful' (very good looking!) and fluffy loaves this way than just the one prove in bread mat as we did in summer.
Having said that, in my old oven it was not possible to put the oven light on without selecting a temperature and fan speed-they're all different.