Forum Thermomix
Welcoming Center, Management and General Chat => Chit Chat => Topic started by: faffa_70 on March 11, 2012, 03:03:02 pm
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Look what was advertised in my local Target catalogue for $269.00 save $130 .... :o :o
Here (http://www.belliniappliances.com.au/electrical/item.aspx?item=61&range=14) is a link to the website
(http://www.belliniappliances.com.au/electrical/images/product/BTMKM510%20hero.jpg)
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:o :o :o
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What the... :o :o :o
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http://www.belliniappliances.com.au/electrical/documents/BTMKM510%20Recipes1.pdf
Scroll down to the second last page and the recipe references the Thermomix it is the challah bread dough!
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http://www.belliniappliances.com.au/electrical/documents/BTMKM510%20Recipes1.pdf
Scroll down to the second last page and the recipe references the Thermomix it is the challah bread dough!
Many recipes have been taken word for word from the Fast and Easy Cooking cookery book.Janie Turner always gives cooking instructions for cooking in an Aga so I recognized them.
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Well !!! This easily qualifies as the most interesting thing I've seen all year! (Thanks faffa!)
Don't you love that model number? What the .... BTMKM510 ? If we assume the "B" is for 'Bellini', and the "KM" is for 'Kitchen Master'... then what do you think "TM" means? Hmmm???
Oh my. Such a low price. Even cheaper than the Hotmix. If we view the glass as half full, I would say this will bring even more attention to the TMX and will bring a flood of new members to this forum from Oz.
Trying to figure out if it does reverse. There is almost no info on the website and the PDF... just that recipe book which mentions it being made in China. (no surprise)
Found "Thermomix" mentioned five times in the recipe book, and "TM" mentiond 23 times. (As in "TM bowl", "TM measuring cap", "TM lid" etc. No mention of butterfly or varoma.
Also very interesting:
When I searched for the manufacturer on Google, most of the top search results for "Gerard Sourcing and Manufacturing" turned out to be about product recalls (https://www.google.com/search?q=Gerard+Sourcing+%26+Manufacturing&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGLL_en___CA439)! Whoa... unsuspecting buyers had best beware. Or at least... be aware.
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Intellectual properties / patent/ Copyright law 101 anyone? :-)) :-)) :-))
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Oh. Very interesting. Good spot Faffa.
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Just looking at their recipe booklet for the Filo pastry pg 62, there is this:
"I never bothered making filo pastry before having a Thermomix. Now I always use home- made filo as it is so easy to handle and bakes beautifully. Do roll it very thin-in Vienna it is said that one should be able to read a love letter throgh strudel pastry!"
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Just looking at their recipe booklet for the Filo pastry pg 62, there is this:
"I never bothered making filo pastry before having a Thermomix. Now I always use home- made filo as it is so easy to handle and bakes beautifully. Do roll it very thin-in Vienna it is said that one should be able to read a love letter throgh strudel pastry!"
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Are you saying you read this in the booklet for this new kitchen gadget machine? And the word Thermomix was written in there?
Oh that's bad.
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I find it amazing that they don't even have the imagination to change the look of the Varoma.
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It will be interesting when people who purchase the Bellini start joining the forum
to see how it compares. It was bound to happen. First Thermochef and now the Bellini.
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Just looking at their recipe booklet for the Filo pastry pg 62, there is this:
"I never bothered making filo pastry before having a Thermomix. Now I always use home- made filo as it is so easy to handle and bakes beautifully. Do roll it very thin-in Vienna it is said that one should be able to read a love letter throgh strudel pastry!"
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Are you saying you read this in the booklet for this new kitchen gadget machine? And the word Thermomix was written in there?
Oh that's bad.
Yes dede a few times.
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I wonder if HO sees this.
Thermomix is mentioned.
Robyn
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That's real bad. Someone needs to save the contents of the booklet before they realize their mistake and fix it. Obviously they have just copied recipes from people who have a TM and not actually come up with their own recipes for this machine.
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(http://img.tapatalk.com/7cb3fb4c-5a95-cd2a.jpg)
Dosnt mention that it can weigh anywhere. Would love to get my hands on one to give it a real good test run.
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just had a look through the recipes and some of the measurements don't look right. Most recipes call for extreme quantities of olive oil.
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All very interesting. Would not be surprised if HO has already purchased one.
Gretchen
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OMG. What next. As the picture was coming up I thought Target were selling TMX.
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I'd be "targeting" Target. They are clearly dealing with an unethical supplier as can be seen by the recipe book etc. The manufacturer won't care, but Target might care if it makes them look bad. Then again... more publicity for Target means more sales of this unit. Though I can't help wondering what would happen if all the TMX owners in Oz stopped shopping at Target.
Shame on Target! :P
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omg!!!!!
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I thought Vorwerk had international patents on the design concept (not just what it looks like, but the fact that it is multi-function)
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When I was in China I got the distinct feeling that patents were meaningless to them. In fact I saw a local tv program where the people were openly saying that the Chinese are not just good at copying but proud of the fact you cannot tell which is the original and which was the copy. A good copy is highly regarded.
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I think some people will be having trouble with the recipe translations. It is going to be interesting.
Gert
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Yes Gert, that is what I was thinking "interesting" new forum members not understanding why recipes are not working perfectly etc. i think new members will have to clarify which machine rhey own.
I will be surprised if theres nt a lawsuit over this.
H :)
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I love the recipe for Bechamel sauce, 400gr of butter and 70gr of flour ???? Not sure I would like that poured over my cauliflower. With mistakes like that I don't think it will get good reviews.
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Wow!!!
Funny i have just made some from edc, mine was more like 500g milk, 50g butter,50g flour.......
H :)
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I am sure the lawyers are being briefed as we speak.
Gert
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The people who make it in China are being paid by someone and my STRONG hunch is the 'producer' is not Chinese. They are probably reading this and laughing all the way to the bank.
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Thermoblogger, me thinks you got that right.
Gert
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I thought Vorwerk had international patents on the design concept (not just what it looks like, but the fact that it is multi-function)
My understanding is that Vorwerk only patented the TM31 not the TM21. That is why the Chinese are only copying the old technology of the TM21 - well for now anyway!.
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Well in one way I hope it is good and does everything well so people don't go out and buy it and waste their money.
Really like anything we buy there are always cheaper brands and expensive brands. Usually the expensive brands will give you the best experience and service and last longer (but this isn't always the case)
Can't wait to hear some reviews
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Also Interesting that a Target in WA is selling it. Wonder if it is anywhere else.
Gert
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It's advertised in Tassie target catalogue as well. So must be Australia wide I'm guessing.
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Well in one way I hope it is good and does everything well so people don't go out and buy it and waste their money.
Really like anything we buy there are always cheaper brands and expensive brands. Usually the expensive brands will give you the best experience and service and last longer (but this isn't always the case)
Can't wait to hear some reviews
Couldn't agree more Dede.
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Thermochef, now Bellini......you can bet Aldi will have one in there range sooner or later. And then my MIL will get one....she has just about every Aldi product known to man. Its a good thing they have a caravan to put some of it in!
I had to laugh though......she was using a vacuum sealer the other week and I asked her how she found it, and she said it was fantastic, but she is on her 3rd machine......if it was any other brand she would be saying she would never buy anything made by them ever again. She has Aldi coarsing through her veins! Each birthday and Christmas you just wonder what is coming from Aldi. For Christmas last year they gave us a 2 burner BBQ.....they know we have 2 4 burner BBQs! You should have heard my husband putting it together...bending frame, holes that didn't line up properly....it was hilarious!
I am not anti-Aldi, but my MIL drives us a bit crazy with her Aldi addiction.
Sorry......I digress
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Well for those of us who are 'true' Thermomix fans 8) here's a look at the people who build our rock-solid machines :-*.
Have you ever seen inside a Thermomix factory (http://www.superkitchenmachine.com/2012/16475/vorwerk-semco-thermomix.html)?? :o
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Well for those of us who are 'true' Thermomix fans 8) here's a look at the people who build our rock-solid machines :-*.
Have you ever seen inside a Thermomix factory (http://www.superkitchenmachine.com/2012/16475/vorwerk-semco-thermomix.html)?? :o
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That is absolutely brilliant. Thank you for translating . What a job, did Vorwerk sent this to you knowing you speak French? I can't wait for part 2.
So much interesting "stuff" today.
Gert
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Ha ha, very funny Gertbysea!
In fact, I worry that Vorwerk won't be pleased at the secret 'views' inside the factory and may ask for this video to be removed on YouTube. For that reason I had to search till I found the original on the French news site. I doubt the news people would take down the original, so I think we fans are safe to view for the time being.
I LOVE this video (http://www.superkitchenmachine.com/2012/16475/vorwerk-semco-thermomix.html) because it is in stark contrast to what we see coming out of China these days. So NON Apple-like and so not like the Chinese factories. It's another reason to feel warm and fuzzy about owning a Thermomix, imho.
Part two will be different, but relevant ;)
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I thought Vorwerk had international patents on the design concept (not just what it looks like, but the fact that it is multi-function)
My understanding is that Vorwerk only patented the TM31 not the TM21. That is why the Chinese are only copying the old technology of the TM21 - well for now anyway!.
The TM21 was patented ... it has now expired which is why we are getting all the knock off's based on the old technology. Note that none of them really do come close to the TM31. ;)
As for China and it's knock offs, no they don't care about patents ... and most people are not aware that they are buying an item that has patent's on it and has been unlawfully copied :-))
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Does anyone know if you can buy the white casing for the TM. I would like to get a spare one so I can get is sprayed a different colour.
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Interesting, it fries and one of the recipes has 1200C.
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Well for those of us who are 'true' Thermomix fans 8) here's a look at the people who build our rock-solid machines :-*.
Have you ever seen inside a Thermomix factory (http://www.superkitchenmachine.com/2012/16475/vorwerk-semco-thermomix.html)?? :o
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This factory is under an hour away from where we live... Still takes 10 days to get repairs done!
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Does anyone know if you can buy the white casing for the TM. I would like to get a spare one so I can get is sprayed a different colour.
Dont think you can.. You can get stickers though which you can personalise however you want
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Oh and this doesnt surprise me re knock offs snd china hav no laws against copyright so no chance fighting them anyway.. Just hope people dont g sucked in thinking its an actual thermomix which is who im thinking they are tryi g to target.. Those who have heard of th thx but havent seen one and buy it... Then realise the error of their ways...
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AmandaN thanks for the good chuckle. I have a friend who desperately wants an Aldi coffee machine. I do not know why. She has a perfectly good one and there are no Aldi's in WA.
Helene thanks for that, it was very informative.
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I had a belly laugh over Amanda,'s post.
Gert
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AmandaN thanks for the good chuckle. I have a friend who desperately wants an Aldi coffee machine. I do not know why. She has a perfectly good one and there are no Aldi's in WA.
I want an Aldi coffee machine. So many of my work mates have them and apparently they are
really, really great. I have had a sunbeam and a very expensive De Longi machine and am
more impressed the Aldi one.
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Wow, I've just logged on, what an interesting topic. As for the Aldi coffee machine, friends have one in their caravan and say it is fab, they also have a DeLongi as do I. I have a Krupp's nespresso for my van but the coffee pods are so expensive .
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Yes interesting AB and it is also interesting to learn who is responsible for the Bellini. Just a few clicks on Google,will reveal who is responsible.
Gert
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OK I have a TC, But I am having a giggle at these recipes..
I think I will give the pork fat in my wholemeal bread a miss.
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Oh WOW :o There are a lot of spelling, grammatical and recipe errors in the rip off recipe book. From the 'special' flour in the pizza. What is 'special' flour does anyone know?
Which cook book have they ripped off. I have the Taste of India, the thai and the EDC and haven't seen some of these recipes in any of them. I'm a bit queazy reading about gorgonzola rice mind you.
What is interesting is that the pdf recipe rip off site doesn't let me copy it. I hope the real thermomix lawyers can get it.
Someone will be in for a surprise when they try to put 2.9kg worth of ingredients into the 2litre jug in the pumpkin rice :-))
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Its all shocking.
I just hope any prospective buyers find this forum and ask questions. The sad thing is people will buy this, go home happy thinking what a bargain, then realise they have wasted their money. People who would love a TM but maybe who cant afford.
H :(
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Gretchen, I clicked away on the Bellini site and couldn't come up with any answers as to who is responsible for this machine ???
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I had a bit of a google look but couldn't see much info about them either. Guess it will take a little bit of time.
I'm very curious though.
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Its all shocking.
I just hope any prospective buyers find this forum and ask questions. The sad thing is people will buy this, go home happy thinking what a bargain, then realise they have wasted their money. People who would love a TM but maybe who cant afford.
H :(
Hally, I am in the category of can't afford the TM.. And I love my TC..
The recipe book with the TC is basic to say the least, But the recipes do work.
What worries me with this item is that even if it is a good machine, So many buyers will be disillusioned if they try to use it with the recipes given.
I guess the up side is I may get to buy one as a spare from an op-shop when they start being discarded ;D ;D ;D
What is a "lettuce bulb"??? or "1 small box of evaporated milk"????
And the instructions are terrible. They are sooo confusing.
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This is none of my business... and is also somewhat distasteful, so I prefer to say as little as possible.
Appears to be an Australian company based in Adelaide. Been around for a long time. They source and manufacture from China. In my opinion, they saw a trend and an opportunity and simply went into business with the machine. That said, they should have done due diligence and created their own recipes. I've been the victim of intellectual property theft in the past and it's no fun and sadly, all too common.
If this is enough of a concern to someone (ie, Vorwerk, or HO) they will find the facts for themselves (or their lawyers will do so).
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Judy I will PM you some links . See what you think. Is Simon Gerard a South Australian?
There is a lot of stuff about the company on the web. Not hard.
Gert
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Oh yes I know who you mean.
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Looks like they might have already pulled the recipes down, when I clicked on the link it said it had either been removed or moved. Word travelled fast I guess!
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LMT it's still showing up on the web, its just the link here not showing up
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I haven't been able to access from the link or directly from the website. I also don't come up with much information just googling the product and/or company name.
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I thought the SA company may have just been importing them for Bellini.
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Both links on page 1 are working for me still.
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I thought the SA company may have just been importing them for Bellini.
I seem to remember Bellini being a brand sold at Bunnings. Ovens and dishwashers etc.
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Looks like they might have already pulled the recipes down, when I clicked on the link it said it had either been removed or moved. Word travelled fast I guess!
I can still access the recipe book on here:
http://www.belliniappliances.com.au/electrical/documents/BTMKM510%20Recipes1.pdf
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Comes up as an error from tapatalk. Might work on the forum site though. But I'm still able to read it on the web no problems.
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Yep just checked and it comes up fine from the forum site just not tapatalk (although it did work yesterday)
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If anyone can't see it, and wants to, I saved as a PDF last night. I figure it will be taken down pretty quickly.
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Yes I saved it too when I put up the links - it will be interesting to see what happens in the future with it ;)
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Would love to see the recipes for this one. RosieB I'll PM you.
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you girls are too computer savvy for me, cos I can't find who is importing them on the web ???
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I wonder if the company is taking it down temporarily...
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I think Bellini is a product brand sold exclusively through target. From the website it looks like they do sell ovens/rangehoods etc through bunnings.
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The link doesn't work for me either but I got enough of a giggle from reading all of your comments re the inaccurate recipes. Copying is the biggest form of flattery!
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Oh funny, I've had a really quick flick through a few of the recipes and here's a couple of things that made me giggle...
3 smashed bananas ... must be my sense of humour - but was wondering what those poor bananas were drinking to get smashed
black, brown and white chocolate... guess that covers all of the colours
3/4 bowl cocoa - ???
add milk to thicken the mixture at the end... ???
Wonder who taste tested the recipes once they were done...and if they are still alive to give the final verdict!
I am really looking forward to sitting down and reading this through.
Cheers,
Nikki.
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I cant open the file.
Cant see any of the recipes.
Can someone please pm the recipes?
Thanks
Rara x
PS showed my branch manager today and she was NOT impressed at all!!
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Oh funny, I've had a really quick flick through a few of the recipes and here's a couple of things that made me giggle...
3 smashed bananas ... must be my sense of humour - but was wondering what those poor bananas were drinking to get smashed
black, brown and white chocolate... guess that covers all of the colours
3/4 bowl cocoa - ???
add milk to thicken the mixture at the end... ???
Wonder who taste tested the recipes once they were done...and if they are still alive to give the final verdict!
I am really looking forward to sitting down and reading this through.
Cheers,
Nikki.
Nikki, I am glad you received it and are enjoying the reading.
The coloured chocolate did raise a smile here too.
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I cant open the file.
Cant see any of the recipes.
Can someone please pm the recipes?
Thanks
Rara x
PS showed my branch manager today and she was NOT impressed at all!!
Rara. I don't know how to attach a file to a PM. I had to email it to Nikki.
If you PM me your email. I can email it to you.
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I cant open the file.
Cant see any of the recipes.
Can someone please pm the recipes?
Thanks
Rara x
PS showed my branch manager today and she was NOT impressed at all!!
Rara. I don't know how to attach a file to a PM. I had to email it to Nikki.
If you PM me your email. I can email it to you.
Thanks Rosie
I sent you a pm....hope it worked
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I couldn't see the video yesterday but it is up now on the Bellini site.
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I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-33.764422,150.970834
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I haev just looked in my UK Fast and Easy book and the bread recipes are an exact copy of recipes in that book...even so much as they have even copied the lead in paragraph...for example
Chollah Many thanks to my friend Sigal Ivry for this recipe.She regularly impresses all her friends byserving home-made chollah bread made in herThermomix. It’s a lovely start to the Sabbath
That is exactly what is in the UK book!!!!
Assume the other recipes are just made up or maybe copied from other countries TM books ?
im finding the whole thing hilarious and wonderng how HQ is dealing with this!!! love to be a fly on the wall in Grace's office!!
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Thanks Girls, what a great laugh i have had.
I also couldn't access the link but i can access the cache saved by google.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6_gOhZx0WScJ:www.belliniappliances.com.au/electrical/documents/BTMKM510%2520Recipes1.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6_gOhZx0WScJ:www.belliniappliances.com.au/electrical/documents/BTMKM510%2520Recipes1.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au)
i would be very interested to find out what "Lamb's Lettuce" is on Page 5????
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he he...think im going ot have this for my dinner
Pizza with Old Cheese, Bacon &Mushrooms
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My goodness! Is there anything that Google doesn't save?? Don't know which is scariest . . . the recipes . . or Google . . ;D ;D ;D It really sounds as though someone has fed the book into babel fish or some other online translator . . worth the price of admission!! ;D ;D ;D
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I haev just looked in my UK Fast and Easy book and the bread recipes are an exact copy of recipes in that book...even so much as they have even copied the lead in paragraph...for example
Chollah Many thanks to my friend Sigal Ivry for this recipe.She regularly impresses all her friends byserving home-made chollah bread made in herThermomix. It’s a lovely start to the Sabbath
That is exactly what is in the UK book!!!!
Assume the other recipes are just made up or maybe copied from other countries TM books ?
im finding the whole thing hilarious and wonderng how HQ is dealing with this!!! love to be a fly on the wall in Grace's office!!
Wouldn't it be amazing it Vorwerk or or anyone from ANY Thermomix HO took an interest in replying to any comments made here on
this open forum.
I am sure we would welcome their comments on any of our bouquets or brickbats. At least we would know they take some interest in what their customers think. There is no reason why they should not have a voice here. We would certainly appreciate their feedback as well as helping us to see their view point. Encouraging the consultants to have a voice here would be a step in the right direction .
How many of us have to time to follow so many Facebook , blogs,and twitters to keep up to date and hello, we have over 6000 members right here willing to share, listen and contribute from all over the world and in so many languages.
Of course we will always follow our favourite specialised blogs and Facebook pages but right here is where we can find out about EVERYTHING and that leads us to other wonderful blogs and places.
Gert
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This is getting more and more interesting the more I read. My sister (a consultant) was dumb founded when I shared the news with her today :)
Where will this go?
Watching with interest.
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Dede is your sister on this forum? We would love to hear from her and other consultants. This is a great place to network and I am sure she can give us some good advice and in turn we might be able to send some interested her way .
Gert
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I have removed this post.
Gretchen
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Well I received my Target catalogue today and yes the Bellini kitchen master is in there and on sale starting Thursday.
I want to go to Target and check it out closely. But unfortunately I'm not sure if I can hop that far, and if I did I would have to go up the escalator on crutches (I don't think so ;D)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ktricv4pjS8
Youtube link or search Bellini Intelli Kitchen Master on youtube that parts are incrediable like the TM parts !
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VERY interesting to say the least Deeau! :o :o
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I thought the video showed the Bellini off rather well - can see that it will sell as it is within the price range of a lot more people than the Thermomix. OK, ours will most certainly last longer and probably be able to work harder but these copycats are going to keep appearing on the market and there doesn't appear any way of stopping them - patents run out on everything eventually and these people are just waiting for the opportunity to pounce. Maybe Vorwerk need to reduce the price of the Thermomix to keep it leader in the field.
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Judy, I've just watched it too and thought the same. Incredible how most of it looks identical to our TM, even down to the indentations on the bowl. :o
I sure would love to try one to see the differences. If I had room I would buy one as I could see it being handy especially if it can cook at a higher temp.
Didn't hear scales mentioned anywhere, but I tend to use my digital ones a lot of the time anyway so that wouldn't be an issue for me.
Will watch with interest if anyone does and their impressions. :)
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I have just watched the youtube clip. I must say if I wanted a TM and couldnt afford $1939, from seeing the clip and maybe attending a TM demo I would snap it up. You can buy about 6 of these for one TM. You log on here and hey presto you have all the recipes. The likeness of the bowl, blades & butterfly blew me away.
As a back up I must admit I think t woukd be ok.
H :)
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I'm planning to duck into Target to have a quick look at it tomorrow....wouldn't dare bring it home...my husband would divorce me! It will be very interesting to see what effect this has on the Thermomix market. As I've posted on Whirlpool, I'm actually finding that I tend to pick up my Thermochef jug before I pick up my Thermomix jug because I prefer the design of it (It makes less mess!). The only times that I would choose to use the Thermomix over the Themochef is when I am making a heavy dough (and I actually prefer my Kenwood...no mucking around with blades) or when it is a small amount of liquid which the Thermochef cannot cope with. The two machines are extremely interchangeable in the way that they perform.
I would love to have a look at the design of the jug (I wonder if I could pull a box apart :) ). The jug in the video looks more like the Thermomix than the Thermochef.....it would be interesting to see if the blades sit lower in the jug. The Thermochef blades sit higher than the Thermomix, which makes it easier to clean, but I think is the reason it doesn't cope with small amounts as well.
Surely these "imitations" will drive Thermomix to revise their prices. I'm about to head to Germany for business and will be staying in Munich and am hoping that I might get to Landshut (about 60k away I believe) so that I can buy a second jug for my Thermomix from the Vorwerk shop there. I would love to be able to walk into a shop here and just pick up what I needed...and save myself about $100.
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Omg it is so similar to the TM. Unbelievable. Must admit they look to be good especially for the price.
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(http://img.tapatalk.com/c0947561-f180-8c1f.jpg)I am outside Target now. This machine is utter crap. See if I can upload some pics.
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ha ha Gert ;D ;D ;D thats great undercover work - very speedy too :D Was just about to go and buy one for my beach house, but am now thinking hmnn that cog does look very cheap underneath. am still curious tho...
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There is one thing I see that I like and that is the butterfly reminder on the speed dial! Now that could be something that perhaps Vorwek could look at ;)
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Looks like you've been to a shop that already has it on display Gretchen :D Yes we all know it is crap but it is the price that will sell it and I'm sure they will have instore demos which will encourage people to buy one there and then without giving it much thought. Give me the Rolls Royce model any day but I'm sure this will sell all the same.
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Well done Gert, I knew someone would check it out and give some feedback. Are the buttons all plastic?
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OMG - I have just seen this thread, how can they get away with such a blatant copy?
The sad thing is that people who can't afford a TMX will compromise price for quality!
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Now I am waiting in a Thai restaurant for some take away!
Having said it is crap and it is I would definitely buy it for a boat, caravan, beach house, or student. Has a Target Tested warranty I suppose and why not for the price? No reverse but so what. Definitely an alternative and I am sure it will be a seller.
Great gift for kids wanting to move out I say. The blades are pretty poor quality as is the jug and a few extr bits of suspect plastic but if it lasts a couple of years so be it. Because the design is from the TMX21 and familiar I can see it even as a back up or second Thermomix. cheaper than an extra jug eh. Think about that.
Gertbysea.
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One year warranty, isn't it?
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Compromise is not always a bad thing. I have a friend who cannot afford a Thermomix at this point in her life so is interested in a Thermochef......it will do what she needs, introduce her to this style of cooking and at some point in the future when she has the money she will probably upgrade to a Thermomix. At least in the mean time she will have had the opportunity to benefit from the convenience of this type of device.
Ten years ago I could not have afforded to buy a Thermomix....even two and a half years ago, it was a push to afford it. I would have been quite happy with the Thermochef.....(can't comment on the Bellini cos I haven't seen or tried it). Yes, the Thermomix is a more powerful machine (whether it is necessarily $1200 or $1500 better is up to the individual, personally as I've already stated...I don't think so) and I love mine....but I also love my Kenwood and my Thermochef.
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if Vorwerk travelling case costs $80 - $120, and you take your TM with you on holidays/weekends- I'm thinking that its pretty good value for the $ as I would rather leave my TM at home and pack the cheapie rather than risk anything happening to it, yet still be able to cook in the same way using my TM recipes.
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My only concern would be the quality of the plastic and stainless steel as you are cooking / heating in it. I was having a contemplation... thinking that it would be good for when I am cooking all my sauces etc that take 45 min to an hour to cook and tie up my TMX when I just want to be getting on and cooking :o :o I don't think I could buy it because of that concern ... will have to wait for a second TMX :'( :'(
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I love watching how the pendulum swings :D
I too saw the butterfly speed thing and thought "yes!" but that was the only positive. Great photos Gertbysea, lovely to have someone go out on our behalf and do all this sleuthing. Would have been fun to count the boxes on the shelf and go back next week to check ;)
I like the creative suggestions for how to use it as a second model etc. Just as you suggested Gertbysea... cheaper than a second bowl. Plus, if they are compatible and transferable... possibly two baskets, two measuring caps, two Varomas, and spatulas. Heck, worth the price just for the spare parts?! :o Ooops, maybe not! I'm pretty sure the old model/Bellini bowl won't fit the TM31, as the shape is slightly different etc so maybe those parts will just have to stay on the Bellini. Oh well.
Someone asked if Vorwerk might have had something to do with removal of the recipes etc. I highly doubt it. I think it would have been a case of removing due to embarrassment on the part of the Aussie promoter. (It was obviously a rush job without the benefit of true community input. Just look at how sloppy the sorbet is on the video. Any responsible company would have re-shot that scene, imho) From what I can tell by reading into the Vorwerk Annual reports (http://www.superkitchenmachine.com/2011/13125/vorwerk-thermomix-sales.html),k Australia is not even on the Vorwerk radar. Yes, there are a lot of TMX sold in Oz, but the numbers are still comparatively small and Australia is 'only' a distributorship, as opposed to a true Vorwerk branch. I doubt they would get involved unless it was something very significant and beyond the realm of the Aussie HO to deal with. I could be wrong, but that's my hunch.
"May we live in interesting times"...
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My only concern would be the quality of the plastic and stainless steel as you are cooking / heating in it.
Thats my concern as well. I initially thought it would be a great alternative for our caravan but wouldn't buy it until I get more info on what it's made from.
Gertbysea - was there any thing on the box about what it's made from?
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Looks to me like the basket might fit. The spatula,definitely. No to the jug and lid but the cup might. They had 3 in sealed boxes. I looked for the box the thing came out of but couldn't find it. No instructions or cookbook that I could find and I did look. I could not move the boxes out to look for the "made in" label as I was juggling the iPad and my handbag which I did not want to put down though I did for a minute to take the jug off which was not so easy. You have to place it and then push down on it into the rubber holders for the prongs so that you could lock the lid under a lip.
Wanna see another Belini product rip off? Target is full of them. Must be having a small electrical appliance sale but couldn't find a cattle dog
Today the machine was $399. Yup at $269 I would buy it. Cheaper than my toaster.
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Another Bellini rip off.
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Gert the undercover agent ;D ;D . You have done a great job.
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I too like the idea of purchasing one for holidays. Our holiday home is about 7 hours drive away, so it would be nice to tansport a cheap one. DH worries someone will steal my TM in a holiday house :o
So its worth a thought, see how the reviews go etc.
H :)
Since my last post I am more interested to hear how it goes, just been tossing it in my mind.
If i could take it on holidays without the worry of damagaing my TM i think I woud buy one, or if HO offered your 2nd TM at half price :o :o, that would stop a lot of TM owners purchasing this imitation as their "holiday machine".
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didnt have any at my local target...wonder if TM HQ here in perth sent undercover agents in to buy up all existing machines
i have been having a think about it though and TM promotes 'get a thermomix and cook healthy food for your family' as one of the major selling points...so really when you think about it having a cheaper machine might possibly encourage those families who cannot no way afford a real TM to get this one and be able to now cook more healthy food...so really TM cant complain!! as its just meaning more kids and families having more healthy food!! just what TM want!!
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they are $399 today, and go on special tomorrow. Shop near me had 12, and the girl said they were going to see how they went. They knew nothing much about them other than they were the cheaper concept of the TM without all the 000's
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Looks like this is a hot topic on other forums too!
http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/65638 (http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/65638)
http://www.taste.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&p=352947&sid=41172214ff99beaca3b8158b064f9e72 (http://www.taste.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&p=352947&sid=41172214ff99beaca3b8158b064f9e72)
http://forum.motherandbaby.ninemsn.com.au/yaf_postsm1030925_What-have-you-made-in-your-Thermomix-today.aspx (http://forum.motherandbaby.ninemsn.com.au/yaf_postsm1030925_What-have-you-made-in-your-Thermomix-today.aspx)
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Since there seems to be a lot of interest in it I am waiting to read some of the reviews post purchase. I read some of the reviews for other Bellini products like oven and they are pretty scathing!
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My daughter is going to buy one today. I hope to hear from her tonight to see if she got it.
She has 4 kids and works two jobs. This would be a god-send for her to save time.
I like the suction feet. Now that is a great idea.
But it doesn't have scales???
I hope to soon have a bit of feed back on what she thinks of it.
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Rosie B she might want to wait until tomorrow and save $130. Today $399. Tomorrow $269. I think they will be walking off the shelves. Perhaps she can reserve hers. The blades are pretty inferior but who knows. It will still be a very handy appliance.
Gert
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Rosie B she might want to wait until tomorrow and save $130. Today $399. Tomorrow $269. I think they will be walking off the shelves. Perhaps she can reserve hers. The blades are pretty inferior but who knows. It will still be a very handy appliance.
Gert
Thanks Gert.
I think she knew it was going to be on special so she wouldn't buy until it is. But I will check with her.
I do know every $ matters to her so pretty sure she will get it right. She lives quite a distance from the nearest Target so all would be done online or by phone.
I recently gave her a mix master that cost about the same amount.
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Thanks for all this info, everyone. While I can't believe the brazen copying of recipes, and personally I am glad I got a tmx before any other options were available as I wonder if we would have gone with a cheaper option only to end up purchasing a tmx anyway . . . I would consider buying one for my daughter who is at university. She has gained alot of weight since leaving home and her mum's healthy cooking and I often lament that I can't afford a tmx for her. She is only cooking for one or two and if the machine only lasted a year or two, but she managed to eat more healthfully in that time it would be well worth the money, I think. I'm sure Target Country wouldn't stock it else I would be sorely tempted to go right now and buy one! Will wait for reviews with interest.
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My only concern would be the quality of the plastic and stainless steel as you are cooking / heating in it. I was having a contemplation... thinking that it would be good for when I am cooking all my sauces etc that take 45 min to an hour to cook and tie up my TMX when I just want to be getting on and cooking :o :o I don't think I could buy it because of that concern ... will have to wait for a second TMX :'( :'(
This is my concern too but you get what you pay for. In any case the thx is the ONLY machine on the market with a carbon motor or whatever it is called so doesnt wear out and the surgical grade steel etc etc.. I get there are alot of people who cant afford the thx but with payment plan options i would prefer to pay off a thx than buy an imitation that wont last anyway...these knock off machines dont invest in researching high quality materials but just use whatever passes manufacturing laws/guidelines. Have you noticed more and more that its harder to find on a box or in a booklet what an item is made out of..
Another point is yes it can be a pain to organise a demo and wait for it to be delivered but in most circumstances you can ask any questions you want and get n nswer plus they show you how to use the machine whereas if you bought it in a shop ok its quick and easy but after ???
People will always bork? At the price of high ed goods.. If people knew the cost of some cars or boats or even jewellery they would freak but thats human nature especially in todays market where everyone wants something for next o nothing hence all the chinese knockoffs..,
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Yes I guess it's the chicken feed version of a TM. I try more and more these days to pay a bit more to get better quality. And I make great use of product reviews that are available all over the Internet. It's always hard to buy something new when there are no reviews to go buy. But time will tell, either they will be worth the money or more, or be another of these cheap throw away items once they stop working and are not worth fixing.
I hope to have my TM for 20 years, and I know that no matter what happens to it, it can be fixed and will be well worth fixing.
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If you do not think of it as a TMX mini me and consider it an ordinary blender that cooks and steams then why ever not? You have to figure the mark up would be a minimum of 200%. The blades will work for as long as a normal blender say, and the heating element whatever so a cheapie that may last a year. At say $270 it is costing only roughly $5.00 a week. If you are lucky and it dies within the warranty then you will probably get a new one as it would not be worth their while to repair it. If it is recalled due to parts failing then you will get your money back.
All in all worth the risk. I think it will be a winner and Vorwerk could not care less about the Australian market. Very small change in their world. The only people concerned would be Australian head office I should think and of course the consultants. Do not be surprised if we see some new members with very negative reviews of the Bellini on the forum. LOL!
It used to be a joke that some appliances would last a year and a day. Hopefully the Bellini will last 364 days and you can still claim on the warranty. If it lasts a lot longer then great. Yippee!
We lovers of our Thermomix have no need to sneer at this machine. Maybe Tenina will bring this one, the TMX , the Hotmix Pro and the ThermoChef to her classes one day and we can all be the judge. She should get right on to that. Maybe they would give her some machines for free to test! That would be roo funny.
I am sure Helene's Super Spatulas and wonderful brushes would work well in all of them as well. May as well support those who support us. All the recipes are easily interchangeable so long as they are not translated by robot translators.
With over 6,000 members all informing , sharing and helping each other we can be generous to those who may aspire to the overpriced Thermomix and wish them well with their not so wonderful but definitely useful machines. Horses or courses I say.
It is gunna get interesting.
Gretchen
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I currently have three of them sitting on my bench at home and am greatly resisting the urge to bring a fourth toy home from Target tomorrow. I'm not allowed to head into work tomorrow (actually I could but I'm not being encouraged to :) ) as I believe a gentleman from Hotmixpro is coming in to see us. My husband is just no fun at times :P. I am looking forward to seeing the reviews of the Bellini machine although I suspect they are not going to be overly favourable....I was pleasantly surprised by the Thermochef however so you just never know.
Back to making bread and hommus....gotta have something for the fussy female teenager to eat for breakfast....why can't she just eat weetbix like a normal kid!
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I currently have three of them sitting on my bench at home and am greatly resisting the urge to bring a fourth toy home from Target tomorrow. I'm not allowed to head into work tomorrow (actually I could but I'm not being encouraged to :) ) as I believe a gentleman from Hotmixpro is coming in to see us. My husband is just no fun at times :P. I am looking forward to seeing the reviews of the Bellini machine although I suspect they are not going to be overly favourable....I was pleasantly surprised by the Thermochef however so you just never know.
Back to making bread and hommus....gotta have something for the fussy female teenager to eat for breakfast....why can't she just eat weetbix like a normal kid!
Oh boy stacelee, we can't wait to see your report. BTW none of my kids ate weetbix, a most disgusting product. Yuk!
Gert
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Gretchen you have indeed been a super sleuth. I'm hoping to go to Target to see one tomorrow. My DH is keen to see one. He calls it a Chinermix.
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He calls it a Chinermix.
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Well put Gert - as always. :-* :-*
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I wonder when we will see the first reviews online and how fast they will disappear off of the shelf.....I probably shouldn't get one :)...I'm running out of names to call them....I currently have Tom (TM), Ken (Kenwood) and Tim (TC)....not to mention I'm running out of room on the bench...although...nah..a person can have too many toys
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You are one funny lady stacelee. Some might say a bit nutso! :D :D
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If you do not think of it as a TMX mini me and consider it an ordinary blender that cooks and steams then why ever not?
a little bit hard not to when they are clearly marketing THIS machine as exactly that...even using the name thermomix which has to break i dont know how many copyright laws... As far as the thermochef goes personally i hav no issues with it as it is always the way with any great appliance... Eventually when the patent runs out machnes flood the market however with the bellini being such am obvious takeoff i just think something like that should be shutdown. If not then where will it end???
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You are right about that Frozzie but there will always be people making a buck from other peoples hard work. We know the motor is nothing like the reluctance motor in the TMX so it most certainly won't last long with the workout it will be getting and eventually it will,get a bad reputation and be history.
If it ever shows up in the US they no doubt will sell a zillion just because it looks so much the same.
Like I say interesting times ahead.
Gert
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My Target "cattle dog" arrived this morning .just another snippet. The Bellini has 1000 watts of heating and just a 500 watt motor.
Just to compare the Breville BBL605 blender at around $228 has a 1200 watt motor. Don't know how the Bellini is going to knead a kilo of dough for a few minutes.
Gert
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If we gave the Bellini kitchen master a work out like we do the TM the motor probably would burn out. :)
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This machine sounds scarier the more i hear of it... Will be interested to hear if anyone does buy it and how it goes as between the recipe book and the machine itself nothing seems to add up... Like gert says interesting times ahead but i do feel for the poor soul who throws their money away on this... Sorry cant help it... Really sounds like apiece of ?!!
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I had to head down to Target today (desperately needed some black trousers to take away.....tell me why dressing room mirrors have to be SOOOOOOO cruel!). My local target had NONE (the bellini's not the trousers :P) on the shelves so I assume that they must have walked out fast. I did find the tag for them shoved at the back of the bottom shelf.....I noticed that it had "no rainchecks" on it so it will be interesting to see if they get any more in.
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I went into Target yesterday to have a look. What a piece of junk. The silver cog thing on the bottom that you can see in Gertbysea's photo is made from a cast alloy looking substance. That got the alarm bells ringing loudly as it's the bottom of the blade assembly. Could we get spares if it broke??. The lid was quite flimsy, a bit flexible and was difficult to lock in place. (That may become easier as it was used more) I couldn't see a spatula or varoma so can't comment on them. The box says the bowl is stainless steel but not the grade. The bowl was fairly light but ok.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I contemplated this machine for the caravan but after seeing it, wouldn't touch it with the proverbial 10' pole. I'm back to looking for a second hand TM 21, TM31 (or buying a Thermochef)
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Yup utter utter. Not surprised though it is walking off the shelves.
Gert
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I went around to my Target for a look but it is only a small store and there weren't any, It was early and not many people in the store so I don't think they sold out.
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I went to Target at Kotara (Newcastle) and they only had the display model left.
I don't know how many they had to start with.
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Our Target country don't stock them.
I really wanted to just have a look.
When I am in Cairns next, I look at target.
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DH and I popped over to the nearest Target about 10 this morning. We couldn't find any so went and asked. We were told they had sold out. I replied 'that's ok I have my TMX.' The saleswomen replied 'oh they are exactly the same things.'
I do hope she hadn't persuaded anyone to buy using that statement. Gretchen as I didn't see one thanks for your photos.
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I love my TMX to bits but my husband and I have often discussed getting our two daughters and daughter in law one each. The only thing that worried us was would they use the machine.... Would hate to see it getting dusty and unused in a cupboard somewhere.
We discussed it again last night in light of the Bellini and decided it was worth the risk to go and try and get three this morning. I was lucky (or not as we will no doubt find out) and got the last three in my local Target. I have washed and upacked and set up for my two daughters and at first glance and to be honest they don't look that bad. They seem reasonably solid. Someone here says they are flimsy but really I thought for the money they will at least show us if the girls will use them or not and if they find them wonderful but crappy and limiting then we can look at getting them the real thing. As someone has previously said here, there is a one year warranty and if they only last that long then its not a lot to fork out. I told them these were early mother's day pressies for them:)
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haha I'm one of the nutters who bought one today ;D I've unpacked it to have a quick look, but am working today so won't be able to have a go of it until the weekend unfortunately. I thought it would be great for my beach house, but not sure at this stage whether I will keep it just for myself or let guests who rent our house use it. Spose if I let guests use it for the 1st year and it breaks down its ok, but if I let them use it and one day after the 12 month warranty runs out I'll be
spewing spitting chips.
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I love my TMX to bits but my husband and I have often discussed getting our two daughters and daughter in law one each. The only thing that worried us was would they use the machine.... Would hate to see it getting dusty and unused in a cupboard somewhere.
We discussed it again last night in light of the Bellini and decided it was worth the risk to go and try and get three this morning. I was lucky (or not as we will no doubt find out) and got the last three in my local Target. I have washed and upacked and set up for my two daughters and at first glance and to be honest they don't look that bad. They seem reasonably solid. Someone here says they are flimsy but really I thought for the money they will at least show us if the girls will use them or not and if they find them wonderful but crappy and limiting then we can look at getting them the real thing. As someone has previously said here, there is a one year warranty and if they only last that long then its not a lot to fork out. I told them these were early mother's day pressies for them:)
We will all be interested to see how your girls go with the Bellinis. Good having three to compare how each goes.. Hope it works out and they will move on to the real deal eventually.
I would think the consultants would be experiencing a few cancellations of demos about now which is a shame.
Please keep us informed about the performance of theirs machines.
The importer must be thrilled as well as Target.
Gert
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Ah, cream puff. Couldn't help yourself eh? I can't wait for your review. How about a loaf of bread and a risotto. That should give a fair indication of what it can do. Also let us know if any of the parts are interchangeable. I forgot to look at the seal of the lid. I am sure the butterfly would work.
This is exciting.
Gert
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looking forward to some reports on the Bellini
we all know they arent going to be as good as the thermie, but hey they cant be that bad!!!! and if they get people 'back to basics' - chanting Thermomix mantra - then its all good!
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I really want my girls to feed their children good healthy homemade food and if it helps I will be pleased. One daughter has 6 children.... the eldest is 5 then she has a 3 year old, two 2 year olds and two 1 year olds - wrap your minds around that! anyway she needs all the help she can get and really we should have bought her a "proper" tmx but it wouldn't have been fair on the other two.
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Oh and there was no recipe book in any of the three boxes even though it's advertised on the box. Apart from that all was good. YOu would not be able to interchange the seal on the lid it is entirely different. The bowl and the varoma and all the other bits and pieces look much the same. I need to compare the Bellini directly with my TMX though to be sure. I wonder if the plastic on the other bits and pieces is comparable to what TMX is or not. Hope it's not going to be harmful...
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You are a very thoughtful Mum Jude - the girls are very lucky. Looking forward to hearing how they all go with the Bellini and the other girls who have purchased one as well.
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I'll look forward to what everyone says. I was thinking it would be nice to buy one for DD. She hasn't shifted out yet but misses the TMX when we take it away which is 3-4 months a year. Of course it would be handy to have the extra machine. I'll see how the ones that have been purchased go. Target missed out on my sale this morning as they had run out. DH suggested a rain check but of course there were no rain check.s :'(
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Jude59, what a great mum you are. Also good for them to trial the fake one, be interesting to see if it will make rhem want to save up and buy the real deal. Jude tiu daughter has a lot of kids & 2 sets of twins :o wow she must be tired all the time.
CP, get cooking..LOL i was thinking of one for our Kalbarri unit, but would probably bring it home as at the moment we only go up oince oer year. Wheres your beach house? I just dont like transporting my TM around.
Keen for reviews.
Cookie, targets here are useless!!!
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Well I think that MM should approach the importer for a commission as I think we have sold every Bellini for them! Too funny.
Gert
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Just wish the real TM would let us purchase the 2nd at 1/2 price, I would buy another :D
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One daughter has 6 children.... the eldest is 5 then she has a 3 year old, two 2 year olds and two 1 year olds - wrap your minds around that!
Holy crap Jude59's, your daughter certainly has her hands full there.
I am absolutely sure the Bellini will help her out a lot. She will certainly be giving it a good work out feeding her family.
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Can't wait to hear some reviews. Might have to start a new post called Bellini Kitchen master reviews.
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Out of 12 machines yesterday, there was only 5 boxes left when I got there at 9am. I have a recipe book. the MC fits in the TM hole, but the steaming basket doesn't fit inside the TM jug. I didn't try the Bellini Varoma on my TM cos my genuine lid was in the dishwasher. The spatula is more rubbery and flexible than the TM one. I bought a digital set of scales for $16 that measures from 5g up.
I've decided that I won't put it out for guests to use because they will probably not read the instructions and ruin the butterfly etc. I don't think Vorwerk have anything to worry about, in all likelihood they probably will benefit as more people get used to the concept and buy the real thing when these peg out.
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My friend was at Target early this morning and said there was heaps of people lined up. Maybe they were there to by the Bellini Kitchen Master :) ( or something else)
I probably would of gone to Target this morning if I could walk that far just to check it out. Oh well if they are any good I'm sure there will be more.
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Cookie, targets here are useless!!!
Hally I must agree. I think the one at Carousel probably only had a couple of machines to sell.
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There are nearly 300 Target stores in Australia, well 291 including Target Country. If each store sold an average of 5 then someone will be laughing and someone will be crying because those who really want aTMX will now wait and see .
Interesting that so many TMX owners bought them today. The forum may be busy with reviews this weekend. If they did not have cookbooks then this and other web sites like www.superkitchenmachine will be busy. Tenina's publisher better get ready for some more sales. And they will all be wanting the wee cleaning brushes and spatulas from Helene's site.
Gert
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To jude and all those that have bought them i truly hope they are of benefit and not the waste of money i think they are.. Jude your daughter with all of those kids so little ai ai ai ...i hope it works out most for heras she sounds like he really needs the help.. Fingers and everything else is crossed lol
Cp why didnt you get. Thermochef instead?? T least you know they work fairly well..
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Trial 1: decided to make Basic Bread Recipe p65 of their recipe book. No questions asked, just straight from the book. First thing, they don't appear to have 37oC (remember they copied straight from the Fast & Easy) and only have 40oC. Second thing, their flour specified in the recipe was incorrect. The blades were not turning in a consistent pattern, so I thought I would bin this mix and start with my own recipe. Their recipe said 310g Flour, mine that I use is 500g (about average). Best to compare anyway with a recipe that I know how the bread turns out.
It says in the Dough setting (whatever that is on the machine, I suppose Sp 1 - 3) to use the Butterfly, so I did. The blades were still not turning consistently and seemed to take a while to "take off". I was watching very closely through the hole, and it started to smell a little like it was heating up but I didn't want to get that mixed up with the "newness" smell. A little trail of smoke out the back, and error message came up E3. Turned it off, grabbed the dough and put it in TM for this loaf.
Its a new day tomorrow, and will try something else.
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Oh dear...I'm cringing just reading that.... Hope it gets better...
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I hope things improve CP. At least it is under warranty.
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EEK! :o
Best not to make bread in it then!
Could someone please tell my stubborn Mother that this Bellini is not an exact replica TM! :-)) She will not listen to the differences I have pointed out, and persists that she can buy 7 of these machines in place of a TM :-))....maybe I should tell her to go ahead and buy one, and make a loaf of bread first! LOL.
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Maddy would definitely tell her tO buy one and very quickly she will realize the error of her ways.. Why not invite her round with her new bellini and make à few things together lol.., i know who Will have thé last laugh!
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What a great mum Jude's your daughter does have her hands full, hope the machine can make her life a bit easier.
CP not a good start using your new machine, TM to the rescue :) maybe this machine can only cope with 300 g flour or there about's.
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Maybe this'll help to sell more TM's after all! Either from realising that you get what you pay for and nothing else comes close, or if it works well for a year or so, by convincing people that they use the machine enough to buy the real thing when they can afford to.
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Oh dear CP thats not a good first impression so far. Hope tomorrow is better
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I just can't see how the butterfly can knead the dough - is that really what they tell you to do for kneading. Not a good start CP, dough and risotto are the 2 things that will really test this machine. I remember hearing of someone who did the original EDC version of risotto (since changed) and
blew up busted their machine - that's with the powerful motor that we have.
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OMG! At least you now how to set things right when it goes horribly wrong CP. Imagine the poor sods who are not used to TMX having these problems with Bellini. Oh dear indeed!
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And on Monday there may be a line up outside target to return the thing.
Gert
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Very interesting. I went for a look yesterday, and thought they looked pretty good for the money. Of course I agree TM is much better and will last heaps longer, but... how can Vorwek justify TMX being 7 x the price? I think they need to consider reducing the price and they will get heaps more volume in sales. Most of my friends want one, but all have young kids and only 1 or 1.5 incomes and just manage to pay the mortgage. I won't be hosting demos for a while I think, even I can't think of enough reasons to justify the prohibitive cost of thermie.
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Lmao gert !!
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The cost in my eyes is justified as it is the only machine of its kind on the market from the type of motor to all its functions to high quality material... Its like asking for a rolls for the same price as a middle of the range vehicle or something then it loses its high end appeal, functionality and most of all would not be able to do everything it claims to. As costs would have to be cut and it wouldnt be the same machine.if people cant afford it then they cant afford it.. Not everyone can afford everything.. Its always been the case and they do try to accommodate those that cant outly afford it with payment plans.. As well dont forget it is imported and they dont skimp on transport or any thing else either.. Here everything is sent via ups and not just thrown in the post.. People have to stop wanting everything for so much less as thats why so many countries are overloaded with crap made in china... One day thats all we will get.. Personally i think the thermomix is worth every cent..
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This (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2842209736779&set=o.159435427432059&type=1&theater) is one of the reasons why we buy TMX's ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The cost in my eyes is justified as it is the only machine of its kind on the market from the type of motor to all its functions to high quality material... Its like asking for a rolls for the same price as a middle of the range vehicle or something then it loses its high end appeal, functionality and most of all would not be able to do everything it claims to. As costs would have to be cut and it wouldnt be the same machine.if people cant afford it then they cant afford it.. Not everyone can afford everything.. Its always been the case and they do try to accommodate those that cant outly afford it with payment plans.. As well dont forget it is imported and they dont skimp on transport or any thing else either.. Here everything is sent via ups and not just thrown in the post.. People have to stop wanting everything for so much less as thats why so many countries are overloaded with crap made in china... One day thats all we will get.. Personally i think the thermomix is worth every cent..
i could not agree more - well said !!!! :)
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This (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2842209736779&set=o.159435427432059&type=1&theater) is one of the reasons why we buy TMX's ;D ;D ;D ;D
Love those stories... My mil who recently passed had one of the orange earlier models.. It never broke down either and still works today...
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/companies/gerard-family-breaks-silence-on-five-year-old-tax-scandal/story-fn91v9q3-1226108588430
Maybe they are looking to make a quick buck? ;)
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This (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2842209736779&set=o.159435427432059&type=1&theater) is one of the reasons why we buy TMX's ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great story Kathryn.I agree 100% why you buy a TM ;D
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Well said Frozzie. We can't all have everything and instant gratification. I saved for my TM and love it more because I had to go without other things to get it.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/companies/gerard-family-breaks-silence-on-five-year-old-tax-scandal/story-fn91v9q3-1226108588430
Maybe they are looking to make a quick buck? ;)
As I said Frozzie just a few clicks or taps and there are a few more stories about this company and their PRODUCTS . A lot of information in the public domain for those of who love to do their research before buying anything.. If they have product failure and product recall in the past then you can bet it will be the same in the future. Still all warnings won't stop some people buying cheap rips offs for all the reasons you mentioned.
I have to say though that not everything made is China is crap. Take for instance, the iPad a beautiful well made and expensive product. The integrity of the company is the important thing .
Very interesting. I went for a look yesterday, and thought they looked pretty good for the money. Of course I agree TM is much better and will last heaps longer, but... how can Vowerk justify TMX being 7 x the price? I think they need to consider reducing the price and they will get heaps more volume in sales. Most of my friends want one, but all have young kids and only 1 or 1.5 incomes and just manage to pay the mortgage. I won't be hosting demos for a while I think, even I can't think of enough reasons to justify the prohibitive cost of thermie.
If you could buy the Thermomix in Target it would be much cheaper. It is all about the marketing. The same with Tupperware, which is where Vorwerk got it's direct selling strategy as well as having a financial interest in that company. Indeed at one time Tupperware was actually sold in Target stores in the US. Now you will sometimes see Tupperware sold in kiosks in shopping malls. The same here. Tupperware is a quality well made product with a lifetime guarantee but these days has a lot of competition.
I have actually seen the Thermomix in a sort of mini demo in my local shopping centre. Not an easy thing with no sink or water available. The look of plastic buckets filled with clean and dirt water is not so pretty or practical but still you got to see the machine in action without having to go to a strangers home for for a demo.
Direct selling will always make the product more expensive as everyone in the tier or pyramid takes a portion of the profit with the lowest and broadest on the bottom getting a small amount each. That it why the consultants have to sell sell,sell to make a living wage and they have to recruit In order to move up the rung. You can't be a group leader unless you have a group to lead can you?
Like anything we buy there is the cost of the product and the cost of the marketing.
I really hope those who buy the Bellini get some satisfaction from it. If not then get the money back and put the $269 in the Thermomix fund.
Gert
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It was a generl comment gert but the majority of stuff that comes out of china is imo crap.. Even some brands who have a reputation and like so many have Outsourced their production to china and the like have lost out in quality and it is starting to become a problem.. They arent lasting like they normally do.. This is just starting to be noticed here.. And is becoming a big problem.. Its becoming very hard to find anything locally made which is exactly what people are looking for again (here anyway)
As for tupperware yes they once sold in target in the us and that is what killed their business in the us as did the selling tupperware online in the states.. I dont think its fair to say its a pyramid type scheme that makes it more expensive... There is alot of money involved in researching materials and new products snd along with the name comes a certain respnsibility if they want to remain selling in the same price range.. I know for a fact how much testing is done with a company like tupperware and although yes expensive they are way ahead of the many other copies on the market which is why they are still killing in sales after so many years and im sure i. Years to come vorwerk will still be going strong and all the cheap knock offs will have come and gone.. What keeps them anead and dictates their prices is research and development of new products and obviously established brand ame to a certain extent.
This all comes down to personal idea of quality and value for money... Fact is the majority of people want something for nothing which is what pushes companies to outsource production in the first place...electronic products never have to last long as they are updated with new versions every 18mths on average so often they are outdated long before they have a chance to wear out..i agree that even if made in china or similar it does come down to companies integrity in part..
Everyones view of quality is different depending what they are exposed to.. Some people have no idea what is quality and what isnt and no price isnt an indicator of quality just often for obvious reason they go hand in hand..
This discussion is a bit of a can o worms lol!!
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hey peeps. :)
my gl did a whole lot of research on this and the stuff she found puts all us consultans at ease. 8)
no scales.
speed only goes to 7000 not 10200
heating is to high at 140
the company in banned in europe after a law suite from vorwerk in germany in regards to the steamer and heating elements.
they have had countless recalls of products
the warrenty is with target not the company that makes it
the case is made of cheap and nasty plastic
and if anything goes wrong with it theres no service for it.
basicly you get what you pay for and it $260 dollars of cheap nock off technology. :-\
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Hi kathleenm! Well, that kind of sums it up . . thank you for posting this all in a nutshell - and thanks to your GL, too I'm sorry, but until China lifts its game and puts much needed quality control in ALL their products (you should see a forum on Amazon about M-I-C products - from nuts and bolts to everything else)- nasty cheap and fall-apart stuff. - sorry Just can't find the link right now) I try to steer as clear as possible. Strangely enough, anything out of Germany seemed pretty good to me . .. and then along came TMX!! (Well, at least my awareness of it. . . ;D) You do, in most cases, get what you pay for . . . . . . .
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Frozzie, I totally agree with you.
You get what you pay for.
So many people want the best product for a fraction of the price.
Maybee people with buy the bellini, take it back and save for a TMX.
Robyn
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I had a look in Target this morning, there were 3 there.
All the boxes had been opened and resealed with sticky tape. There was a sign saying there weren't any recipe books in the boxes but recipes can be found on line or will be available at a later date.
Sounds like TM have demanded their recipes to be removed and so Target have been ordered to remove the books from every box.
Just my assumption though.
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This discussion is a bit of a can o worms lol!!
Amazing it is that we can all join in from all over the world and have a decent discussion with lots of views and no angst. This thread and discussion has brought a lot of members to the forum to have a say and that is just great.
Gert
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Sounds like that's exactly what they have done Julie. Has the recipes available online been changed yet?
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Does anyone know if they jugs of the knock-off fit into the Thermomix? I'd really love a new jug but at the cost of $400.00 it's too much?
As to the recipe books, a person on another forum sent a question and received this reply:
I am terribly sorry to advise the recipe booklet is incorrect there is no reverse function
A new recipe booklet is being produced and will be available on the bellini website in the next 14 days
my sincere apologies
Best regards,
Lou Bartemucci
Group General Manager
GSM Sales Pty Ltd
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Well this has definitely been an entertaining read (along with the thread on the Simple Savings site). I have to say that we have two Thermomixes in our house and I wouldn't part with either... nor would the other half! That said, we bought a third last Friday, secondhand locally. It was rather tempting to use all three but one was a gift for a friend who really needs and desperates wants one but couldn't afford new. ;)
She was with me from my first demo over 2 and a half years ago and every single one since! It was a no brainer. I don't regret buying it for her for a second. She certainly is ecstatic and relieved now that she has one in her kitchen! 8)
Oh and here's (http://eatsewlove.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/road-testing-bellini-intelli-kitchen.html) another review of the Bellini for those interested! ;D
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Ceejay that is wonderful. What a great friend she is and a well deserved gift. You are both very fortunate.
Gretchen
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Ceejay how kind of you.
Is anyone else old enough when we or our parents used to ask if things were 'made in Japan?'
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Oh yes cookie 1. You think China will progress to quality?
Gert
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I kind of doubt it. I'll live in hope. ;)
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She is a lucky friend Ceejay, I'm so glad you didn't buy her a Bellini ;) I can imagine she is over the moon after all these years wanting one.
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I have to say though that not everything made is China is crap. Take for instance, the iPad a beautiful well made and expensive product. The integrity of the company is the important thing .
Gert
Apple have a pretty bad reputation for their treatment of the workers in the chinese plants that make the I- products.
http://sumofus.org/campaigns/apple-message/?sub=taf (http://sumofus.org/campaigns/apple-message/?sub=taf)
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Ceejay what a lovely gesture...
Gert 😊😘
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Frozzie, I totally agree with you.
You get what you pay for.
So many people want the best product for a fraction of the price.
Maybee people with buy the bellini, take it back and save for a TMX.
Robyn
Lets hope they get their money back..i admire people who cant necessarily afford it right off the bat but save fot it and finally purchase the thx...its money better spent imo..
Cp have you made anything else in yours or given up??
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I have to say though that not everything made is China is crap. Take for instance, the iPad a beautiful well made and expensive product. The integrity of the company is the important thing .
Gert
Apple have a pretty bad reputation for their treatment of the workers in the Chinese plants that make the I- products.
http://sumofus.org/campaigns/apple-message/?sub=taf (http://sumofus.org/campaigns/apple-message/?sub=taf)
Oh I agree Rosie B I would venture a guess that the factories that make things for Apple may be slightly better than the factories that are churning out Bellini products though. Maybe not but I hope so. Have you see the VDO on superkitchenmachine.com re the Vorwerk factory in France? That place seems ok to me. Maybe Frozzie can get a tour? That would be interesting.
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Ceejay what a wonderful thing to do for your friend. :)
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Cp have you made anything else in yours or given up??
Definitely haven't given up Frozzie! Unfortunately I had to go to the dentist today and I'm currently working but will have another go over the weekend. I'm really not worried if it doesn't work because Target will refund the money without a problem. I've got my fingers crossed that it will work out tho, cos it would suit my situation perfectly. If it doesn't, I will probably buy a TC, but having forked out for 3 TM's I just don't think I could afford another TM quite so soon :D
CeeJay you are a very thoughtful friend.
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Well I'm kind of encouraged today. My daughter in law texted me that she made her own chicken nuggets today with "the new machine". Made her own chicken mince etc. she said it wasnt as easy as opening a frozen packet and heating in the oven but that she knows exactly what's in them and they were tasty. That made me happy. Then my daughter (with the 6 children) said she was going to have a go at making bread either tonight or tomorrow. I hate the thought of them eating crap bread so that made me happy too :)
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yay good one jude - sounds very promising indeed ;D
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I do hope that the people who buy them can make the most of them, it sounds like they are a great option for people who can't afford the whole thermomix.
I was talking to my DH about it and it's a lot like someone buying a cheaper android tablet you can do a lot with one as opposed to someone buying the top of the range ipad. They both satisfy a need at the time.
Has anyone been able to look at the jug on the knock-off and see if it fits the Thermomix? I'd love for another jug for Pierre :)
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Good to hear cp and jude.. I hope it works out even if it only lasts a year or so... Hoping your dd has better luck with bread than cp... I guess though you cant expect much from it given the price tag..
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I have to say though that not everything made is China is crap. Take for instance, the iPad a beautiful well made and expensive product. The integrity of the company is the important thing .
Gert
Apple have a pretty bad reputation for their treatment of the workers in the Chinese plants that make the I- products.
http://sumofus.org/campaigns/apple-message/?sub=taf (http://sumofus.org/campaigns/apple-message/?sub=taf)
Oh I agree Rosie B I would venture a guess that the factories that make things for Apple may be slightly better than the factories that are churning out Bellini products though. Maybe not but I hope so. Have you see the VDO on superkitchenmachine.com re the Vorwerk factory in France? That place seems ok to me. Maybe Frozzie can get a tour? That would be interesting.
Trust me french factory workers are not mistreated.. They take work hours, pay and retirement very seriously and are hardly overworked so have no worries there.they are however forever on strike and asking for more money etc..not necessarily the vorwerk factory but workers in general of this kind.. I should see if its possible to check out the site..😊
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the bellini jug is unlikely to work in the thermo even if it fits as of course TM has its superior induction cooking, special motor and special blades, cant see just being able to plop a bellini jug in and expect it to work with all that technology ;)
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This (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2842209736779&set=o.159435427432059&type=1&theater) is one of the reasons why we buy TMX's ;D ;D ;D ;D
I have purchased a second hand thermomix 21 online for my weekender.
Yep, could have got a bellini ( and did consider this ) a lot cheaper, although after veiwing faffa's comment I purchased a
16yr old thermomix and I know it will stand the test of time.
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My biggest concern would be the blades staying sharp, a lot of these cheap machines have inferior parts.
It's a shame it's such a blatant rip off, I've had quite a few girlfriends smuggly say 'oh, did you targets catalogue?!', ahem, yep, and I'd still take my Porche over the Hyundai any day ;)
I'd love to hear more from those who have purchased one!
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Lovely to hear from you . You must be busy with those wee brushes and such. Isn't it great that so many lurkers are joining in and with this most interesting topic. Who would think the humble pancake create such a fuss. 😄😄😄
Gert
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Great to see so many reply's on this.
Can't wait till next week, after people have cooked in the bellinis.
Michelle, I bought my Mum a secondhand Thermomix 21 last year too.
Robyn
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Found this interesting thread re the new Bellini. So far mixed success. The machine seems to burn the bottom of the bowl.
http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?449850-Bellini-multi-function-kitchen-machine (http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?449850-Bellini-multi-function-kitchen-machine)
Interesting reading
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Interesting reading keiramax.
I loved reading the excititement and hype of this machine.....then graduating down to doubts and disappointment.....oh well, there is a reason why it's so cheap.
We seemed to be mocked on a few places, apparently we don't realise appliances will be copied and reproduced cheaply on the market :-))
.....well ultimately the results will speak for themselves, and if you really want the real thing, start saving.....dont bag us for enjoying cooking with it, and sharing our passion.
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Couldn't agree more, Maddy . . . especially those who say they haven't even seen the Thermomix in action. Why not just have a demo . . or go to a cooking class . . and just research a little as to what can be involved re paying for it. When you've done some legwork then at least you're on an intelligent footing to start comparing this, that and the other . . . . .
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Bellini cooking the sink plug made me laugh out loud! :) :)
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Bellini cooking the sink plug made me laugh out loud! :) :)
LOL...me too....poor girl, I know the feeling :P. Not with a plug in the tm, but I cooked garlic mushrooms on the stove with a plastic black lid, snugly hiding in the base of the saucepan. .....I kept saying to hubby...something's burning! once we started eating the mushies, we knew what the burning smell was :P
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It was very intereresting reading, you just feel as if you want to step in there and defend the TMX but why bother, it wouldn't convince them anyway as they have pre-conceived ideas about us as owners. Wonder how long it will take for this subject and product to die down - the TC caused the same stir but haven't heard of too many problems with that. I couldn't believe one person sold her TMX and bought the Bellini :-))
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I couldn't believe one person sold her TMX and bought the Bellini :-))
I know :o.....I guess it was a money decision, I couldn't think why else.
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Well there is no need to see what other ppl are saying about us and we really could care less. It is all about having confidence.
It does however sadden me that one person sold her underused TMX to buy the Bellini. You have to feel sorry about that but really happy for the one who was fortunate to buy it and hopefully at a good price. I think the ThermoChef could a better option for those who want something that blends and cooks.
Too funny about some cookbooks being removed and others in the box. Someone didn't get the memo. The ones without the cookbook are probably better off as they will come here to ask and get the good info.
Funny how some people think this is an Australian Forum. Sorry MM.
Still I am not laughing and hope ppl are ultimately happy with their buy. For some the $265 was a very big deal and we have all been there I expect.
I am laughing about the person who imported their TMX from Spain for $800 cheaper. My DH is in Malaysia at the moment and asked me if I wanted a second one as he can buy it up there for an unbelievable price. Said he would toss it in the overhead rack. I told him he would have to check it because of the blade and he withdrew the offer. Pity. He must have had a senior moment as all his life he has been in the airline industry and specialised in dangerous and hazardous freight not to mention the latest carry on board policies. LOL!
Gert
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Just as a matter of interest, how much was he going to pay for the TMX? And was it being sold through demo?
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I am laughing about the person who imported their TMX from Spain for $800 cheaper. My DH is in Malaysia at the moment and asked me if I wanted a second one as he can buy it up there for an unbelievable price. Said he would toss it in the overhead rack. I told him he would have to check it because of the blade and he withdrew the offer. Pity. He must have had a senior moment as all his life he has been in the airline industry and specialised in dangerous and hazardous freight not to mention the latest carry on board policies. LOL!
Gert
Poor DH Gert!! :D
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Gert . . just curious . . wouldn't your DH just have to remove the blades and check them through with his other luggage? The rest can be carry on?
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Just as a matter of interest, how much was he going to pay for the TMX? And was it being sold through demo?
He did not tell me the price and I didn't ask but he would not be interested if it was much more than $1000 so probably between that and $1400. I know he has LIMITS ! ;D ;D I am sure the Malaysians have quite a different selling stragedy and are more flexible not relying on just home demos. You could probably buy one on line from them but the postage might be hefty. Anyway can but ask. http://www.truemix.com.my/english/home.htm. You need flash to view it best so not on your iPad.
Gert
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Gert . . just curious . . wouldn't your DH just have to remove the blades and check them through with his other luggage? The rest can be carry on?
Good point goldfish but it would have to be a very cold day in hell before my DH ever checked a bag into the hold of an aircraft. He has been travelling by air for over 60 years and has never checked a bag. For that matter neither have I. Never lost one either. LOL! Remember it has only been since 9/11 that the rules changed for carry one luggage so it was much easier to carry stuff like bottle openers in the past. Thank goodness for screw top wine bottles now. Pity about carrying the Swiss Arm Knife. I do miss it.
Luggage??? He could travel around the world for 6 weeks with a wee travel bag. Very efficient is DH.
Gert
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Thanks for the website link Gert. Very impressive!
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hehe so funny reading some of the bellini reviews.....start off with omg i got a machine just like the TM for less than $300, next oh its great its exactly the same as the TM I can now cook everything!!, finishing off with hmmmmm well its burnt, its not quite as good, cant do this cant do that etc etc
will be interesting over the next few weeks to see how many are returned! or laybys cancelled
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Well I really enjoyed reading the link to bub hub. Not very good reviews so far. And the sink plug, now that's hilarious. ;D
That would make me feel sick knowing a sink plug was cooked with the soup.
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Interesting reading. Time will tell with the Bellini.
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I had to say I lterally fell about laughing when I saw the photo of the kitchen plug on that thread. I laughed so hard I couldn't breathe and had to use my puffer >:( but it was very funny. Reminded me of the time that my MIL cooked a casserole with the bar of yeloow dish soap in the pot. She accidently picked it up with the vegies that she had cut into the sink. The casserole was totally inedible. It's funny now, but at the time she had six kids and a farmer hubby and they were really broke, so it was a very bad mistake to make.
Tried to get a look at these new wonder machines today; apparently every store in WA is sold out. It will be interesting to see whether the next batch have the faults fixed. I would buy my Mum one as a pressie if she wanted one...she could take it in the caravan and not worry about it.
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Well I really enjoyed reading the link to bub hub. Not very good reviews so far. And the sink plug, now that's hilarious. ;D
That would make me feel sick knowing a sink plug was cooked with the soup.
The sink plug probably worked very well to keep the soup moving from the base and stopped it getting the burn marks everyone else seems to have trouble with.
The first time I used TC it just caught a little on the bottom, Just brown. I was making a custard for icecream.
It has never done it again.
I wondered if it is like seasoning a new pan. Often new pans stick far more than ones that get a lot of use.
And TC gets a lot of use.
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Had a read and as stated these people one cant afford a thx and two by the sounds of it dont like to cook much either... If you arent a fan of cooking then a thx will never be suitable.. If you cant cook but want to thats a different story... Bottom line each to their own and like previously stated not e eryone can afford a thx but if i was them id invest in the thermochef and not the bellini.. At least the tc holds its own in what it can do and isnt claiming to be the same as a $2k machine as they put it lol..
For those that have bought it here have you had the burning problem??
Cant believe someone sold their thx to buy a bellini.. Thats just sad..oh well...
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I read that Frozzie about the person selling their TM. No way in the world would I sell my car for a push bike. That's just crazy
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Somehow i think she will regret it given all the burnt dishes occuring!! Pity her thx was never being used either with mainly used for baby food and custard????
Each to their own but i have never regretted owning a thermomix and im forever amazed at what Else he can make.. Seems endless possibilities..
What would concern me is it has been banned in germany and there is question around the danger of materials used... Think tc will do well out of this as those not wanting yo or unable to invest in a thx will opt for the tc or even better a second hand thx. At least no burning spots and it can make bread etc.. It depends also what you expect the machine to do.. If its to replace a blender then fine but for those who assume that it is the same as a thx then its those people who will be very disappointed.. If you read the beginning of that thread they are all excited that this new machine is just like a thx lol... Urrmmm no.. Then slowly realise its not. Bit scary the blocked blades and the max speed 3 on heat ??? I would be curious to hear if other are having the same issues??
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Yes, despite the statements that they didn't expect it to be as good as a Thermomix, that's pretty much what they were saying on bubhub at the start of the conversation-defensive much?! Those poor thermomix supporters are not being given much courtesy >:( And despite what the pro-bellini team seem to suggest, we are not all rolling around in money. Many owners have saved for a long time to get one and view it as a lifelong purchase. We are a one income family but prioritised buying one over a holiday/daily cups of coffee/dinner out etc. What a throw away society we have become :-\. And as good as a thermie is, would I be happy to buy one with no recipe book or instructions-no way! That's the worst part of it all in my eyes.
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Yes i saw thermalicious commented..i wouldnt bother as they have their minds made up about a machine they dont seem to know much about except the price.. Not worth entering into it.. They will eventually understand..
I think anyone can afford it that way.. Save up etc.. So many have commented on here about reduction in shopping bills not to mention making everything or most from scratch so know what your family is esting not to mention time saver and i could go on but thats preaching to the choir
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As you know we are a big family of 7, with one main income and buying a TM was not an easy thing to do. But after 14 months of having my TM I can confidently say that we have already saved more than $2000 of savings from buying pre made foods and take aways.
I am so happy that I did take that step to buy a TM, and have never even once regretted the purchase.
I do wish the TM was a bit cheaper for more people to benefit though.
And I am sad for those who have purchased the Bellini and are disappointed in what it can and cannot do.
Maybe the problems that people are having can be worked out with some tweaking (I hope so anyway)
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So many have commented on here about reduction in shopping bills not to mention making everything or most from scratch so know what your family is esting not to mention time saver and i could go on but thats preaching to the choir
I love it when you preach to the choir, Frozzie. I learn so much. ;)
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Anther who thought about a thermomix for quite a while. I am one, if I get something, and don't love it, will move it on. The thermomix has stayed. And there is no denying you would get a good return on the resale, but there is no way I could sell my precious!
And I'm not even using it to it's full potential, I look foward to when the kids are a bit older and experimenting more!
I agree, if you don't like cooking, I can't imagine why you would buy a thermomix?!
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if u hate cooking thermi is perfect cos u just put the stuff in and walk away dont have to think about it. but then again everyone is diffrent in there style and liking of cooking.
i cant believe someone who already had the TM would sell it for lesser product. she had the best and now has the w..... umm the not so best ...... :P
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I ABSOLUTELY hated cooking and COULDN'T cook before TMX ... so yes it still does suit you even if you have totally zero interest in the kitchen ;D.
It is the best thing to enter my kitchen and when my family look at what I cook now and the knowledge I have gained (mainly from this forum) we are all amazed!! :)
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You say it so well, Faffa. SNAP!
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without a doubt the TM has changed my families lives. We thought we ate healthily before, but we have certainly improved on that concept and the good thing also is my kids have loved the food we eat, and we have had a lot of fun and taste testing along the way. I am not going to write off the Bellini for a couple of weekend dishes tho when I head down south until I have tried a few things. It seems from reviews there is a problem with heat - like the TC, so I will tone it down and see how it goes. I haven't switched it on since the error message, so I do hope it goes on ha ha. I am not even going to look in the Bellini recipe book cos I have the F&E and lots of TM recipes at my fingertips to try. (Today I could have probably tried the B, but I just wanted to do things in the TM for ease sake. I have plenty of time to return it if its not doing the job its meant to).
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Not sure if anyone has posted this yet or not. (If so, moderators can feel free to delete this message) ...
Anyway, I just spotted Grace in this little video (http://video.news.com.au/2210162580/The-wonders-of-Thermomix) which is dated March 15th. Interesting timing to get Thermomix featured at The Australian, don't you think? Almost looks like a reaction to the Bellini being 'in the news' around these parts ;)
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I am shocked that someone would sell their TM & purchase the fake. :o ??? :o
I can understand people buying the fake due to price, bit it does doubd like its a waste of money.
I think we would have clawed back our $1939 investment within the yeat. 1st year Anniversary coming up this month.
When I Menu plan the food bill is down by $100 each week. Bread is a huge saving, $1.50 to make as opposed to anything from $3-$6.
Being on this forum has encoraged me to buy in bulk.
We eat yummy food without presevatives, I know what goes into our food.
Wouldnt be without one, I woukd love another TM.
German engineering, what can I say. My car is vw, miele oven & dishwasher, our ducted vacum system is german.
H :)
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Not sure if anyone has posted this yet or not. (If so, moderators can feel free to delete this message) ...
Anyway, I just spotted Grace in this little video (http://video.news.com.au/2210162580/The-wonders-of-Thermomix) which is dated March 15th. Interesting timing to get Thermomix featured at The Australian, don't you think? Almost looks like a reaction to the Bellini being 'in the news' around these parts ;)
Yumm That beetroot salad looks so good. And much easier and less mess than chopping like I have been doing
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Hmmm, just read of another 3 with identical scorched jugs....one was cooking risotto and veggie concentrate......her blog here http://myintelliexperiment.wordpress.com/ (http://myintelliexperiment.wordpress.com/)
One girl on the h.b. forum said her spatula melted on the edges after stirring :o ......target will be busy tomorrow I'm guessing :P
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Oh Maddy . . (closes eyes . . . cringes) . . . if it weren't so disappointing for those who bought the things it would be totally laughable! It's like a bad sitcom . . the edges of the spatula melted . . . .??????? :-)) :-)) ??? ???
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It is cringe-worthy.....and shame on target for putting out there a below average product, to cash in and make a buck.....there will be many dissatisfied customers. If a TM is out of the budget, a thermochef would be a much better choice.
The best outcome would be for the likes of Breville/Sunbeam etc., to produce a similar product, that will actually have quality control, and have done their homework, actually using the machine and creating and testing their own recipes, before putting it out there on the market.
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Commonsense would tell you that if you take a cheap stainless steel pan, put it on a cheap and nasty element, turn the heat up to 120 degrees then you will get burning even if you stir it constantly with a wooden spoon.
There are some Thermomix 21 for sale on ebay and that may be a better option than even the ThermoChef. At least they have withstood the test of time and still look good, perform and well because people who cook value them and have most probably ugraded to the TMX 31.
Gert
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Yes i saw thermalicious commented..i wouldnt bother as they have their minds made up about a machine they dont seem to know much about except the price.. Not worth entering into it.. They will eventually understand..
I think anyone can afford it that way.. Save up etc.. So many have commented on here about reduction in shopping bills not to mention making everything or most from scratch so know what your family is esting not to mention time saver and i could go on but thats preaching to the choir
Haha that would be me, batting for the thermomix team ;)
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Yes i saw thermalicious commented..i wouldnt bother as they have their minds made up about a machine they dont seem to know much about except the price.. Not worth entering into it.. They will eventually understand..
I think anyone can afford it that way.. Save up etc.. So many have commented on here about reduction in shopping bills not to mention making everything or most from scratch so know what your family is esting not to mention time saver and i could go on but thats preaching to the choir
Haha that would be me, batting for the thermomix team ;)
LOL....deaf ears over there I'm afraid b.maker ;)
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LOL....deaf ears over there I'm afraid b.maker ;)
Sometimes saying nothing speaks louder. ;)
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Oh babymaker like maddy says deaf ears im afraid but i do feel sorry for them and anyone who bought one.. Im just hoping everyone gets their money back...scary and perhaps target should have done their homework too that the product was banned elsewhere..
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Ultimately you should be getting a product that performs as it states, regardless if you spend $200 or $2 k.
It's what the consumer is entitled to.
I really hope it does get sorted, or at least an equivalent product, thats in a realistic price backet for most people.
No one should have to be scrubbing scorched jugs when you cook with heat.
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The Australian company responsible for the Bellini should shoulder some of the responsibility don't ya think? After all they must have commissioned the manufacturing of it. I think they sell all their Bellini products through Target. As a shareholder in Wesfarmers I am not happy to sell crap that is returned . Don't care so much about the crap that sells and works though. LOL!
Gert
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Too true Gretchen. We shareholders have to stick together. It will be time for dividend soon. Hopefully it will pay most of my Singapore trip, not what I spend though. ;)
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Don't worry about the spending. Life is short . So let us know if you find anything interesting. Last time I was in SIngapore I found there were no bargains but some different stuff. I bought nothing as I am not a shopper. Eating is my thing. I love the food and wine stores. Have no interest in clothes or stuff. Singapore is so easy to get around these days. A bit different from my first trip there in 1965 when we stayed a Raffles and could actually afford it.
Enjoy.
Gert
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Didn't take long. The non sale price was actually $399 as you can see I one of my photos.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Bellini-Intelli-Kitchen-8in1Multifunction-Kitchen-Machine-/180844834967?pt=AU_SmallKitchenAppliances&hash=item2a1b313097
Gert
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Gert - Nothing quite like truth in advertising! It says: " Same properties as the Thermomix without the $2000 price tag" . . . some of these people have no conscience - what a total goose! . . . and a "Buy it now" price of $430!! :o :o :o
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Buyer beware eh? Glad I took that photo. Oh and someone on another forum said I "sneakily" took those photos which is a blatant lie. I was moving all around Target employees restocking the shelves holding my iPad at arms length and shelf height. If they did not see what I was doing they must have been blind. Also I took the machine all apart and moved the pieces while one Target employee actually moved some boxes to help me. Very nice they were too. It is amazing how some people do not read and more do not listen and interpret what they want like a game of "gossip"! Laughed out loud at that comment.
I would love to put a comment on eBay telling people the real price of that machine. And what about the person selling the spatula that came from Helene's site for more than you can buy it directly from superkitchenmachine. And it comes from Canada? I suppose some people are gullible enough to do it
Gert.
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Gert, the target employees wouldn't care less, and honestly we all have the right to thoroughly inspect a product that is on the shelves for sale.
:P I'm a real pain, and get them to plug the display products in and show me how they work.
eBay can be a fantastic place to source rare and h.t.f. Items, but you still need to do your research....it's a big play ground for a lot of rogues too >:(
Remember the same happened with the Aldi expressi.....people were paying high prices on ebay because they couldn't wait for the shelves to be restocked......which I do own one and love, so that proves I'm not an appliance snob :P
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Actually looking back on my now DH's iPad I see I didn't take a photo of the price but I did take a VDO. Yeah,
Gert
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Oh my goodness :o :o :o :o :o Have just caught up on this thread and some of the related info on other sites. Scary stuff.
IMHO mentioning this (couldn't think of an appropriate adjective here) appliance in the same breath as the thermomix is misleading to say the least. Off to the local shops today so might have to go to Target's small appliance section for a look ;D ;D
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Oh my goodness :o :o :o :o :o Have just caught up on this thread and some of the related info on other sites. Scary stuff.
IMHO mentioning this (couldn't think of an appropriate adjective here) appliance in the same breath as the thermomix is misleading to say the least. Off to the local shops today so might have to go to Target's small appliance section for a look ;D ;D
You may not find one as they seem to be either sold or or maybe withdrawn. Who knows.you can but ask.
Gert
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http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Bellini-Intelli-Kitchen-8in1Multifunction-Kitchen-Machine-/180844834967?pt=AU_SmallKitchenAppliances&hash=item2a1b313097
It's already hit Ebay.
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E bay seller, says No returns.
So what happens then to who ever buys the Bellini from her.
Robyn
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for such a friendly forum we seem to be getting a bit of a reputation out there in 'other forum land' as being old biddies, snobs and wanting this other machine to fail so we can feel better about our purchase!!
guess they wont be wanting to use any of the recipes or advice from our forum members then
i think we all realise the bellini has its place and i think most of the upset started with the ripped of recipe book!
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Hi Robyn - apparently the receipt from Target is included . . .so the poor ebay purchaser can take it back to Target when the thing dies. An exercise in futility from beginning to end.
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what an enterprising ebay seller!! almost as funny as those selling thermoservers for over the odds or TM cookbooks! actually more fool the buyers!
still a quick review of the various forums should be enough to put anyone off at the moment, i would certainly be holding off purchasing a bellini for a few weeks
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I think it's hilarious the 'reputation' the forum seems to be getting. I think we feel for the folks that have bought the Bellini more than anything else. We certainly welcomed TC owners and will welcome other owners should they wish to join us.
I've actually written this at the Perth airport on the iPad. We are all checked in etc and simply waiting round now until we board in about 15 minutes or so. We're on Qantas wifi at the moment. Hopefully we'll pick up some in Singapore.
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Cookie I forgot to tell you that there is free wifi at Singapore Airport. You have to go to the info kiosk to get the password on a wee bit of paper. Don't know why they bother with that.
Forgetaboutus and have a great holiday. Yet another this year eh?
Gert
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Here is another honest review of the Bellini
http://myintelliexperiment.wordpress.com/tag/thermomix/
Gert
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I was just looking at the yourhomedepot site. They sell a blade and jug set for the TC - just under $90. Wish the TMX jug set was a bit more affordable (or should I say......justifiable to DH).
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I was just looking at the yourhomedepot site. They sell a blade and jug set for the TC - just under $90. Wish the TMX jug set was a bit more affordable (or should I say......justifiable to DH).
Now that is handy and affordable for the ThermoChef owners. I doubt you will be able to buy parts for the Bellini which is a shame.
Yup be good if the Thermomix jug and blade sets were a bit cheaper. It is handy to have an extra jug.
Gert
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Here is another honest review of the Bellini
http://myintelliexperiment.wordpress.com/tag/thermomix/
Gert
Oh dear....it seems the risotto was a complete disaster :-\
Returning and replacing the units is fine, but I would think this problem will keep occurring until they use thicker, better quality steel for the jug...and possibly re-think the heating element......a real shame, as many people have a renewed interest in cooking, and this experience will tarnish that.
I think $ 269-400 is An expensive appliance just to make dips/sorbet/ or anything else that does not require cooking.
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I agree Maddy, you could all that in a food processor.
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I was just looking at the yourhomedepot site. They sell a blade and jug set for the TC - just under $90. Wish the TMX jug set was a bit more affordable (or should I say......justifiable to DH).
I will invest in that I think.
Where I bought TC I rec'd a pizza oven with it.
They now have an extra jug quite often. Wish I had the extra jug even tho I love the pizza oven.
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Wish I had the extra jug even tho I love the pizza oven.
The pizza oven is my 2nd most used appliance......love it! :)
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Wish I had the extra jug even tho I love the pizza oven.
The pizza oven is my 2nd most used appliance......love it! :)
Really Maddy? I have umm'd and arh'd over a pizza oven for a long while... do share more lol
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Ive just bought a rip off Kitchenaid Mixer called 'american original" off catch of the day for $148.....does this put me in the same corner as people buying Bellinis?????
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Baf, you have a TMX - why did you feel you needed this new machine. What are you planning on using it for that the TMX doesn't do? I don't have a Kitchenmaid.
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judy....ive never really liked the cakes that come out of the TM....not enough air for my liking and never been inspired enough to be bothered to make a pavlova
oh and plus i am just a gadget junkie!! LOL
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Yeh I need a mixer just for things like pav. I have not had a lot of success in the TM. (only once)
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judy....ive never really liked the cakes that come out of the TM....not enough air for my liking and never been inspired enough to be bothered to make a pavlova
oh and plus i am just a gadget junkie!! LOL
I hope it works for you. I know nothing about baking so am happy making cakes like the Guinness Chocolate one which is dense and about my only effort cake wise.
Gert
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Ive just bought a rip off Kitchenaid Mixer called 'american original" off catch of the day for $148.....does this put me in the same corner as people buying Bellinis?????
LOL....no it doesn't Baf......you are not saying you got a machine exactly like a kitchenaid, for only $148 ;) it's the product we were questioning, not the people ;)
Have never heard of it Baf, but hope it works well for you.
Judy.....I admit I still like making some of my cakes with the mixer.....particularly any of the crabapple bakery ones....they just do not like being converted to the TM! >:(
LeeJ....I bought the "Pizza Maker" the black one. We often throw veg, left overs whatever on a pita base or dough. My oven is large, so it takes a long time to heat up or grill, so in under 3 mins, I can have pita pizza's ready, or any grilling needed, I place it on greaseproof paper....much quicker ;)
with this model, you get a deep dish for frittata's, omletes etc....but I haven't used that yet.
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Definitely not baf.
For special cakes I still use a mixer, but for everyday ones they get done in the TMX. I don't have a kitchen aid but a very old Kenwood.
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Maddy, I was just reading the taste forum reviews and really admired you for giving it to them straight about the Bellini machine vs TMX. Good on you!
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LOL.....it maybe appear I'm a member of "cult thermomix" :P
Honestly, it's no skin off my nose if anyone buys one, but I would be piffed to spend money on something that has a high expectation....and then fails :-\ we all have enough of those in our cupboards....dont we.
I personally like to research appliances before I buy......I guess it's just a matter of time before Aldi bring one out next, then it starts again with the comparisons....."Yawn".....:P
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I was reading some of the blogs as well and the issue of burnt base seems to be happening all too frequently. But you know what, the more we tell them about TMX superior qualities the more we appear as TMX snobs. Let's just wait and see how it all pans out.
Btw,did you say you have an aldi coffee machine and that it is good? ( I can't remember who mentioned it) ...it is tempting to buy it for visitors use...we drink very little coffee and then are quite happy with instant.
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Btw,did you say you have an aldi coffee machine and that it is good? ( I can't remember who mentioned it) ...it is tempting to buy it for visitors use...we drink very little coffee and then are quite happy with instant.
I do have one, and I'm really happy with it. I only have lattes, and I found the Milano pod (no. 10) the best flavour.
My previous machine used pods from Italy, and cost me 3 times as much, with added postage.....and the flavour is exactly the same as the Aldi Milano, so win win :)
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First review on product review.com.au
And this person owned a TM previously. Wonder if it's the same person who sold their TM to by a Belilini.
Poor woman would be so disappointed :(
http://www.productreview.com.au/p/bellini-intelli-kitchen-master.html (http://www.productreview.com.au/p/bellini-intelli-kitchen-master.html)
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I find the whole notion that Bellini owners feel this need to continually comment, on several different forums, about TMX owners feeling as though they need to justify having spent $2K when they have spent under $300, entirely ridiculous. It is simple, you get what you pay for. If they can only afford a Bellini, then go ahead and have fun learning and experimenting.
Having said that, I would be worried that there have been sooo many issues with basic things, like the recipes in the boook not working. I read on one forum a response that they received from the Bellini company in relation to the recipe failures. Their response was that they (the company) are urgently working on the recipes, and in the meantime, reduce the heat to combat the burning - nothing about cooking times which would also need to be adjusted. It is this sheer unprofessional business practice that is incredible.
We love our Thermie, and the professional reputation that comes with something that has stood the test of time - through various upgrades/adjustments etc. I don't care that there are other machines that supposedly "do all that a TMX does", because we are happy with our little man!! I just hope for the sake of those who are now Bellini owners, that the company stands up and comes good with fixing the "teething" problems, and that the machine is safe for use.
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The very idea that the company responsible for the Bellini is 'urgently' working on recipes is ludicrous. We all know how hard and long that process is, developing, testing three times, printing etc.. Not a doubt in my mind they have some poor bugger ripping off our recipes and adapting them as we speak. I wonder that anybody cooking their food at 120 degrees is thinking that is beneficial nutritionally as well as machine wise. People think the next shipment is going to be improved and you can bet that ain't gunna happen. That container load is probably on the high sea already and steaming for Australia.
There is plenty of information about this company in the public domain If anyone is really interested. If you do not heed the warnings then you cannot then complain afterwards about their methods.
I can understand people selling their Thermomix if they need the money but more likely they keep it in the cupboard and never really learned how use it properly. How many of us never use our varoma? Once you start to you never put it away as it is so versatile. Thermomix users are generally people who love cooking and are willing to learn new methods that save us time and money. Plus all the wonderful healthy eating cooks like Quirky Jo give us so many ideas outside the square. Seems every mother and child these days has some sort of food issue and the Thermomix being a virtual lifesaver.
It would be wonderful,it there was a 'real' competitor on the market but that is not the Bellini Intelli Kitchen Machine. Pity.
Gert
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I dont read the other forums, really cant be bothered with peoples attitude. Why knock us, then of course when they need help or want to try recipes where will they come, here?!?!?
I hope the company doesnt rip off recipes from our beloved forum.
Last night on today tonight there was a segment on bread. I am so glad thanks to TM I make my own, too mch salt in a lot of bread out there.
H :)
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I dont read the other forums, really cant be bothered with peoples attitude. Why knock us, then of course when they need help or want to try recipes where will they come, here?!?!?
I hope the company doesnt rip off recipes from our beloved forum.
Last night on today tonight there was a segment on bread. I am so glad thanks to TM I make my own, too mch salt in a lot of bread out there.
H :)
And other crap Hally. Some of that bread is so wet it goes moldy here in a few hours. Nothing like homemade bread and so much cheaper as well as being easy. Maybe not for a big family though.
Gert
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I find the whole notion that Bellini owners feel this need to continually comment, on several different forums, about TMX owners feeling as though they need to justify having spent $2K when they have spent under $300, entirely ridiculous.
Actually I find it insulting and indicative of the narrowminded and meanspirited undertones of comments from some members of other forums. While some of us may be a little obsessed with our thermies ;D ;D this forum's members show a wonderful generosity of spirit in their sharing of recipes, ideas and other useful info. Also I find this constant obsession with price only tiresome. There are other important factors such as quality, reliability, expected life of the purchase and benefits (like health benefits) to consider. Some of the current processed/packaged stuff masquerading as food is really not fit for human consumption and don't get me started on salt, sugar and other additives, not to mention GM "food".
While I'm up here on my soapbox.... Just to put things in perspective, as far as costs go, when I purchased my thermie I expected it to pay for itself (in dollar terms) in about 2 years, based on a saving of about $20 per week in food expenses for a family of 5. (DH assured me the thermie was superbly engineered and would survive the perils of my kitchen for many years.) I also expected immediate reduction in the time I spent in the kitchen cooking and baking for the family. (I have never been a fan of packaged, processed or takeaway food.) And that is before considering the huge benefits of not having to eat processed/packaged food.
In fact, my expectations were way too modest. By taking advantage of all the great recipes and other info here on this forum, thermie paid for itself in less than a year (well about 9 months actually) :) :) :) And, as many others have commented here, preparing a huge range of foods is not only possible but quick and easy. Money very well spent and well worth saving for. (End of rant ;D)
BTW Love, love, love this forum :-* :-* :-*
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Gert, your foccacia costs next to nothing to make & that would feed 2 families :)
My dh & ds wont eat shop bread now, i bought a small loave for sandwiches for the plane, its in thevfreezer & will probably stay there until we feed the birds.LOL
H :)
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I don't think $2000 is a lot to spend on a cooking appliance that will last years. :)
How much do we spend on dishwashers, washing machines, clothes dryers and they only last a couple of years. I am buying a new washing machine this week.
I have a kitchen aid as well, but I use it for larger cake mixes.
You do get what you pay for.
Also surprised not many cafes / coffee shops have a thermomix.
Robyn
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I also bet some of these families have 4 wheel drives. Nothing wrong with them, but costly to run.
H :)
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While I'm up here on my soapbox.... Just to put things in perspective, as far as costs go, when I purchased my thermie I expected it to pay for itself (in dollar terms) in about 2 years, based on a saving of about $20 per week in food expenses for a family of 5. (DH assured me the thermie was superbly engineered and would survive the perils of my kitchen for many years.) I also expected immediate reduction in the time I spent in the kitchen cooking and baking for the family. (I have never been a fan of packaged, processed or takeaway food.) And that is before considering the huge benefits of not having to eat processed/packaged food.
In fact, my expectations were way too modest. By taking advantage of all the great recipes and other info here on this forum, thermie paid for itself in less than a year (well about 9 months actually) :) :) :) And, as many others have commented here, preparing a huge range of foods is not only possible but quick and easy. Money very well spent and well worth saving for. (End of rant ;D)
BTW Love, love, love this forum :-* :-* :-*
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I wish I could say the same. I love my thermomix although with all the lovely new thermomix cookbooks I have purchased and tried loads of new recipes I think my food bill has gone up. We probably eat out less now and more healthily. The time in the kitchen has probably gone up too but it is time that is relaxing (except when trying to make puff pastry) and enjoyable to me. I don't regret for moment purchasing thermomix and I have had no complaints from Hubby either.
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Wow! I go away for a couple of weeks and look what happens! Have been reading this thread with interest - I actually first heard of this machine today at my Varoma demo. One of my guests mentioned it - she's a TMX owner so she was understandably a little scathing about it.
I researched the TMX thoroughly before I decided to purchase (this forum was the clincher I think :)), and I would do the same for a $400 appliance; so there's no way I'd buy the Bellini when it's only been on the market a few weeks. I'd want it to be thoroughly tested, reviewed and demonstrated that it would last. Those who have purchased one have been ripped off IMO because the company selling it have claimed that it's just like the TMX so they rushed in to buy it without doing the research, thinking it would be OK because it's comparable to a quality product like TMX.
Looking forward to reading the reviews when I have more time.
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Apparently target posted on their FB page a reply saying that the new machines Coming in have a software update to prevent burning?? Huh? What would that do? I would have thought they needed to fix the distribution of heat? Either that or improve the mixing of food (again design). I suppose they could turn down the heat or increase blade speed in the programming, but I would think you would just change the recipe book (especially since they are doing that anyway).
Oh for those that bought one- apparently you can exchange for the updated version, of you think that would help.
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Funny you should mention that nekhbet as I did post on FB a query about the "software" update and they removed it so I posted again. I wonder if I will get deleted again?
There was also a posting on another forum that said this shipment of Bellini's was supposed to go to The US but was rejected on safety grounds. Now that is just not true. There is a lot of misinformation and these days you cannot believe everything your read much less see what with the about of photo shopping going on.
Let me see now what I can do about my wrinkles. LOL!
Gert
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Gert and Hally, where can I find this foccacia recipe? I saw it in a thread, but I can't lay my hands on it!
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Well you won't find it here. I had to go back through my posts to find it here.
http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=8955.30
It was a Jaimie Olivers bread recipe.
It uses a kilo of flour so it will make a huge one. And it rises and rises and rises.
Have a look at the photos Hally posted.
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The link (http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=7202.0) to Jamie Oliver's pizza dough is in this thread - we do have a warning to halve his recipe.
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Hello! This is my first post here on the TMX forum. I've had my TMX a few months and like all of you, love it to bits! I've been following the Bellini saga with obsessive interest - it's better than most soap operas! - and have to agree with a PP about the meanspirited comments regarding TMX owners etc. My sister had asked me what I thought about the Bellini as, like many others, she can't afford a TMX at the moment, but at $270/$400, it's still an expensive purchase for her so I said I'd look into it, hence my new hobby of seeking out Bellini reviews!
I had a bit of a :o moment tonight, which I thought I would share. I noticed on another forum that Bellini has a link to its new recipe book (http://www.belliniappliances.com.au/electrical/documents/BTMKM510%20-%20Kitchen%20Master%20Recipes.pdf) ..... but when I had a look at it, not only were the recipes less than inspired and the ingredient lists are incomplete (no surprises there), but the photos they use to illustrate the recipes are stock images from an online repository (www.shutterstock.com)!!!
It amazes me that a company can provide a recipe for what is essentially a berry sorbet (p 5 of the recipe book) and yet include a stock photo of a peach sorbet (http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?searchterm=sorbet&search_group=&lang=en&search_source=search_form&x=15&y=10#id=60437506 .... which incidentally has been used on other websites - I did a quick google image search!). The other thing that amuses me is that this isn't even the nicest photo they could have chosen!!
If they can't be bothered photographing their own food, they can't have too much confidence in their recipes. Ha ha, what am I saying, the first cookbook was just a shambles and it takes longer than five minutes to put another one together.
ETA: Their photo on p4 not only does not resemble the recipe, but it's ripped off from a blog (which has great looking recipes!): http://www.mybestdaysever.com/sweet-corn-fritters/ Now that's shameless!!
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Hi Greengoddess! . . and welcome! Your sister is very lucky I think to have sought your opinion. It would have been so disheartening to have spent hard earned dollars on what appears to be a very dodgy appliance. The full price for a Thermomix is a hefty amount all at once. Would the time payments be an option for your sister . . . or do you think she would consider becoming a consultant? For what it's worth, I do think it would far better to hold out for the real deal rather than to lose money on inferior and unreliable "investments."
Good luck! - and thanks for the post - great combination of the internet - and those :o moments!!. . . . ;)
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Quite frankly I think buyers would be better off signing up for the payment plan for $15 per week. Bellini just can't be expected to produce what a German engineered product can do!
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Green goddess it is good to hear from you. Perfect example of how useful the Internet can be for researching. Also good example about not believing everything you see and read on the Internet. If anyone believes that GSM has any real interest in providing a serious cookbook for the Bellini then they must be dreaming and have no idea what is involved.
I have noticed that some bloggers are stealing images of food from our very own Thermomix bloggers and passing them off as their own. It is not very hard to trace these photos to the original postings so they should be aware. Posting recipes without acknowledgement is bad enough without then stealing images. That is pathetic as well as lazy. Plagiarism is rife but easy to detect when whole sentences and paragraphs are lifted from other peoples work. Sad to say this is happening in our little Thermomix world. I recently spotted an entire blog post lifted from one prominent Thermomix blogger in one country to a new Thermomix blogger in another country. Disgusting. What is the point?
Well done to you GG.
Gert
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Quite frankly I think buyers would be better off signing up for the payment plan for $15 per week. Bellini just can't be expected to produce what a German engineered product can do!
Too true Meagan or just put it on the old credit card if they really really must have it now. Many of us actually SAVED up for ours. Oops did I swear?
Gert
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From- http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?449850-Bellini-multi-function-kitchen-machine&p=6456046#post6456046
Omg so disappointed. I rang up 5 minutes ago to see when my Bellini will come in and the manager advised they have just recieved notification today that they are removed from sale and won't be brought back. Obviously thermomix is onto them and there are copyright issues. Even ladies that laybyed them won't be able to get them off layby. Target have been told to destroy all of them
Hopefully mores machines/brands flood the market soon, I really want something like this
....and there it goes. So about a week on the market total. I'd imagine someone is losing their job over that debacle. I feel sorry for those that really want a thermy but can't afford one, but from all accounts, that thing wasn't even close.
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WOW... that's pretty major! :o
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I genuinely feel disappointed for those who were really wanting this machine.....there is a demand for this type of product, and its shame that it's not an option for all to purchase a TM.......I'm sure it won't be long before a more reputable brand will put something out there, so that in itself would be good news.
.....let's hope the next company does their homework !
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So which is true???
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I am guessing destroy the current ones because of the issues and it will cost them more to have them in the market. Most of them will be returned anyway and they are looking to save their face now with the new one (which of course everyone will get if they return for an exchange :-)))
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Sorry that screen shots not clear. Just go to the Target FB page to get the story from the horses mouth. Obviously the person from bubhub has been sadly let down as well as misled. The product is being removed not for copyright reasons but for being defective. As for destroying the machine, I doubt it. Probably will be sold in another market. Ok call me a cynical.
Gert
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It was only a matter of time. We all know if something seems to good to be true - it usually is! It's a fundamental fact of life that we all know to be true yet people still get stung by these things. I also feel for all the people who bought this machine in good faith, even that price is a lot of money for some people and I hope they all get their money back without any hassles.
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Until I see a recall on the Australian government product safety recall web site I am assuming Target will be just pulling them from the shelves. Oh wait there on none left and it is not so much a safety factor as that the product was crap.
Wonder if the girls are having fun at the Thermofest in Hawill. will we see Grace wearing a coconut shell bra and hula skirt?
Gert
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Gert, you crack me up.
will we see Grace wearing a coconut shell bra and hula skirt? ;D ;D
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opppppps Bellini and Target!! the Bellini may now become a collectors item!
I have found this whole saga very amusing!! I love reading all the latest updates!
what happened to the new Bellinis that were on their way with their new software update! It is pretty bad of Target to recall items that people had put on layby and not offer another option
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Well baf65 no where has there been any confirmation of a recall only gossip at this stage but I am loving the Target FB page. Too funny. Gossip and more ill informed chat all over the web.
What a week in the Thermomix world.
Gert
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Well after reading the posts just now I decided to call target's customer relations line to find out what is happening. " withdrawn not recalled from sale due to legal reasons"!!!! When i asked if it was copyright reasons she said yes!!!!!
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I'm surprised they actually answered you courton.
......then what's the go with the thermochef? ??? how could that be fine......or maybe it was Bellini's recipe book that got them in the poop!
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I would not rely on any person from any department in Target to actually know the truth. I would like to see an official statement in print first and one that can be verified.
The ThermoChef is a whole different machine and I have not heard any complaints about it to date. Anyone?
The legal issue could be anything but I doubt the machine would be withdrawn because of the cookbook as that is another issue all together.
Most likely they are sick of the whole thing and they have had too many returns. My guess is they are surprised at the reaction from the public.
I bet HO is wiggling them grass skirted hips in delight at the publicity.
Someone says her jug even buckled. Shows how crappy the "steel" was. it did not look or feel like stainless steel to me. More like aluminum to the touch.
I cannot for the life of me figure out why anyone would want a copy of the Thermomix 21 when you can buy one on line for around the same price.
If HO were selling the Thermomix on line for a reasonable price then paying consultants to give a delivery demo they would save themselves a lot on infrastructure and the consultants a lot of angst. Would that work?
Gert
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This saga just keeps on going... It must be a real pain for those caught up in it.
Lately there seems to be quite a few Australian businesses discovering the power of social media up close and personal.
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so...bellini hasnt recalled the product...target arent allowed to sell it due to legal ...so even if the product is still going to be avaiable who is going to sell it!! i am thinking Target arent going to want to run the risk again! Maybe its because the steamer and the spatula are EXACTLY the same as the ones on the TM31 which is still under patent....whilst the patent may have run out on the TM21, that model didnt have that type of varoma
also seems stupid to buy something with the expectation of 'oh well i will take it back at some stage' ...!!!
let the saga continue its quite amusing!
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This is all very interesting. Can't believe all this has happened in such a short time. From when Faffa first noticed the Bellini in the Target catalogue to now its been withdrawn all in just a week. Wow.
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My daughter had put one on layby the day the Target special came out.
I had started to worry when I saw all the reports on here, and other forums that it may not be the answer to her problems :(
Today she has sent me a message..
"oh i put the cooker on layby last week, paid the deposit yesterday and then received a call today from target to say that there had been a recall placed on it, and that they had to cancel my layby!'
So at least she won't have to go thru the saga of having it be faulty and return it.
I saw somewhere down this thread about the TM21.
What were these like? And where could i get one for her. Are they kid friendly? She has a 14YO and 3 littlies. The 14YO helps out a lot in the kitchen :D and the others try :D
I can't afford the real deal TM31, or even a TC for her unfortunately. :-\
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RosieB just have a look on eBay or Google TMX21 and see what comes up. There is a lot of info about this machine on the web.
Gretchen
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Target have finally spoken on their FB page....they say.....
Thank you to everyone who has contacted us about the Bellini Multifunction Kitchen Machine. We’d like to advise you that this product has not been recalled and is perfectly safe to continue using. However we regret to inform our customers that this product has been removed from show in our stores, and we will be unable to fulfil any lay-by or raincheck orders at this stage. Customers affected by this will receive a full refund on any lay-by deposits paid. We will keep you informed as soon as we have further information, but encourage you to contact us on 1800 814 788 if you have any further questions.
.....and there is some unhappy customers understandably!
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Ps. The one thing the target was keen to convey was that Bellini is a target brand ...a house brand
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As you know I had a miserable fail when I tried to make bread on the first and second attempt. There was smoke and an E3 error message. I put the machine aside and was going to have a bit more of a play with it but I have just been too busy, and being a tad time poor have really only used my TM cos I know there is not going to be a failure. I agree that there has been blatant copyright issues and any company who has a reputable machine would not be so amatuer or unethical as to copy another machines recipe book word for word. I have rung up Target on the 1800 number and without hesitation the girl said that the money will be refunded so there is no problem there as I always knew there wouldn't be. I always knew that the TM would be the better quality machine, but for a machine that was going to be stuck in a cupboard and used perhaps once or twice every couple of months when we visited our beach house the Bellini was a much more attractive proposition than lugging my TM 3 hours there and back for a day or so. Even a TC is quite expensive for this amount of usage. In some ways, I still want to give it a better trial before taking it back but I have it all packed up and the box is in the way. I regret even now giving in this early, and am not embarrassed to say I even want to hang on to it for another week. A second hand TM21 is out of the question for me, as I think that I would not pay that much money for an old machine. "Given the money" (lol) - if only!) I would prefer to have a 2 year warranty on a brand new machine and buy the TC as there has so far been positive feedback. Given the popularity of the TM and the technology and resources available, it is only a matter of time before there will be cheap and reliable machines available. Like so many good inventions, the original will be swallowed up and forgotten, and improvments made on the concept. Cooking with my TM has really improved our diets, and its a shame that more people cannot enjoy this way of cooking so I say "bring it on!"
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I was wondering how you were going CP with the Bellini, well you have answered that.
At least you can get a full refund if you decide to take it back.
I do hope that Bellini come back with a better machine without the issues so more people can benefit from healthier eating without the huge price tag. I was tempted to buy one just to compare it with the TM (not that I needed one).
I'm sure this is just the beginning of what's to come, there are probably half a dozen machines out there being built and tested by different company's ready to hit our market sooner or later.
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It is a shame CreamPuff but it was worth a try. Everyone's expectations were just too high. If it was just a blender that cooked ok then that would have worked but it was trying to be something it did not have the technology for and over priced at that.
I see some poor bugger has bid $406 plus postage on eBay. How crazy is that?
All the publicity has been invaluable to Thermomix though and the consultants can breath a sigh of relief.
It was an exciting week in our little world.
Gert.
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I bought a secondhand TM21 for my Mum last year. It was $700
No problems with it at all. I sourced it from Melbourne, bought from a very well known restaurant who upgraded to TM31.
So they are out there, if you look.
Robyn ;D
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My girls have all quite enjoyed usin the Bellini for most food processing but it is gutless for mixing bread dough. I told them about all the drama involved and said we can pack them up and take them back if they want and I'll buy them a thermochef or second hand thermomx each. They haven't really decided though yet. I really just want them to be able to easily cook healthy meals without resorting to packages. The Bellini has handled food processor type functions very well. They haven't tried cooking in them though yet.
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Jude its good they are using them but a bit of a shame only as a processor... if i was you i would source either a second hand thx or he thermochef as you mentioned as they can handle bread and cooking dishes as well which is what the bellini is supposed to do... Plus if its the thermochef you know that there are several users on the forum also cooking with them and successfully.. Im obviously not for the bellini.. I find it dodgy and think its best people get their money back and buy whatever is affordable to them..
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sounds like HQ are onto it!!
from Target facebook page!
To clarify - the product has not been withdrawn for safety related reasons. We are working through a legal issue which we hope to resolve as soon as possible and at this stage, we have no answer in regards to further stock becoming available. If you wish to discuss this further
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Don't buy a Thermochef! Wait and save the money up... I have had mind for a while now and even though it does the job I am starting to wish I had waited... the butterfly is annoying (I have blended one up and the store had a whole box under the counter to replace them - apparently happens alot) the motor can't handle any really thick dough (or the biscuit and condensed milk I was mixing for a slice), the stickers are starting to bubble and peel etc etc. In saying that though I do love it... but you know sometimes I dream of the real thing...
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the stickers are starting to bubble and peel etc etc. In saying that though I do love it... but you know sometimes I dream of the real thing...
What stickers are you refering to?
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ETC that's a shame. I hope one day you will get your TM you dream of :)
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Hi Everyone, I don't know if this has been posted yet, but I just saw this in the target catalogue. It's the Bellini Baby Food Maker. Certainly not competition with a thermomix, from what I can tell it steams the food in one part, then processes it in another. But given everything that's happened with Kitchen Master, and other products they've produced, I wonder if this will have any problems...
http://target.dynamiccatalogue.com.au/portal/offerdetails/bellini_baby_food_maker/13323863643330?gotopage=1&CatalogueID=13318642048770&CatalogueID=&source=catalogueoffer&jump=&pageview=two (http://target.dynamiccatalogue.com.au/portal/offerdetails/bellini_baby_food_maker/13323863643330?gotopage=1&CatalogueID=13318642048770&CatalogueID=&source=catalogueoffer&jump=&pageview=two)
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Hi Everyone, I don't know if this has been posted yet, but I just saw this in the target catalogue. It's the Bellini Baby Food Maker. Certainly not competition with a thermomix, from what I can tell it steams the food in one part, then processes it in another. But given everything that's happened with Kitchen Master, and other products they've produced, I wonder if this will have any problems...
http://target.dynamiccatalogue.com.au/portal/offerdetails/bellini_baby_food_maker/13323863643330?gotopage=1&CatalogueID=13318642048770&CatalogueID=&source=catalogueoffer&jump=&pageview=two (http://target.dynamiccatalogue.com.au/portal/offerdetails/bellini_baby_food_maker/13323863643330?gotopage=1&CatalogueID=13318642048770&CatalogueID=&source=catalogueoffer&jump=&pageview=two)
I did notice that in last weeks catalogue jakodai
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my sister bought a bellini from target and used it non-stop for 3 weeks and it broke down. When she took it back the target lady told her they'd had alot back and were not getting them in again.
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Interesting, thanks Nay. Been wondering where you've been lately ;)
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Three weeks, with regular use. Good test. I guess that goes to show you get what you pay for and I bet everyone here is glad they invested in a thermomix. I wouldn't be without mine now.
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CP how did yours go?
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I currently have three of them sitting on my bench at home and am greatly resisting the urge to bring a fourth toy home from Target tomorrow. I'm not allowed to head into work tomorrow (actually I could but I'm not being encouraged to :) ) as I believe a gentleman from Hotmixpro is coming in to see us. My husband is just no fun at times :P. I am looking forward to seeing the reviews of the Bellini machine although I suspect they are not going to be overly favourable....I was pleasantly surprised by the Thermochef however so you just never know.
Back to making bread and hommus....gotta have something for the fussy female teenager to eat for breakfast....why can't she just eat weetbix like a normal kid!
Hi Stacelee, my visit to you is news to me ??? although I will be over in a couple of weeks
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I think they may have got a "letter" 😉 this in in the catalogue that came today.
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It's still for sale at the Good Guys. Called something else though, can't remember what.
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Think they will have fixed the cookbook for those ones ... Would have been part of the rebranding etc I think
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Yep just got my copy of the catalogues today with the Information in it.
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I see the Bellini is back in the latest Target Cattledog. $329
Gert
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I will interested in seeing the reviews.
Surely they've fixed the issues, and created their own recipe book this time.
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We've got it here in The Good Guys cataldog.
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I will interested in seeing the reviews.
Surely they've fixed the issues, and created their own recipe book this time.
I have read some reviews and it seems to be the same so far with a recipe book of only about 10 recipes. Same machine as the Maxi from Good Guys . They are offering it to those who bought the first one at the same price of $299. We will hear in a few weeks if it is improved .
If it has been improved it would be a good time for those who have the old one to get it replaced.
Gert
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haha i saw a whole stack of them in Target today, not flying off the shelves as quickly as they did the first time!!
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I saw an apology in the catalogue apologising for any confusion in regards to it being compared to the thermomix and that they had a new recipe book
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oooh :D
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My SIL brought one of these yesterday.....can't wait to hear and see how it goes for her. Especially as she has used - and loved- MILs TM!! :)
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I am tempted to buy one just to test it.
Gert
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My SIL bought one last time they were on sale. She kept it in the box and then waited to read what everyone's reviews were. Because most of them came back bad, she put it on ebay and made $80 from it! Someone else obviously wanted one really badly!
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Good Idea Gert
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Just caught up with this very long thread. It's so interesting to see a competitor in this very specific niche market (but sad to see that the Bellini is such a blatent copy). I absolutely adore my Thermie and realise it is worth every penny I paid for it, but I admit that I really struggled with the price tag initially. I saw this post from a Bellini-related blog, and it really reinforced to me that the TMX price tag just may have been worth it:
http://myintelliexperiment.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/and-like-that-she-died/ (http://myintelliexperiment.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/and-like-that-she-died/)
I do wonder though, how much more profit TMX could make if they lowered the price and enjoyed a massive increase in sales?
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Grace wont reduced the price of a TMX, as she is the only one distributor in Australia.
Otherwise you would buy one from overseas, and get it shipped here.
more competition the better for consumers.. :)
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Grace wont reduced the price of a TMX, as she is the only one distributor in Australia.
Otherwise you would buy one from overseas, and get it shipped here.
more competition the better for consumers.. :)
Have you sent your email to the global marketing manager Kai.Schaeffner@vorwerk.ch asking for another distributor?
Gert
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I totally agree bellesy, surely a price reduction would result in a monopoly of the market for TMX. Nobody denies the quality of a TMX , it's the high price tag that puts people off and sends them to other copies.
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Saw the SILs HMP last weekend..... sitting in her cupboard looking sad. :(
Was interesting to compare - but only visually as she wasn't using it.
I loved the suction part, an excellent idea I reckon...otherwise (to put it in DHs words) "a cheap but blatent copy."
I'm still glad I have my TM...won't be trading it in on a HMP - tho I would love to try it out just cuz! ;)
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Saw the SILs HMP last weekend..... sitting in her cupboard looking sad. :(
Was interesting to compare - but only visually as she wasn't using it.
I loved the suction part, an excellent idea I reckon...otherwise (to put it in DHs words) "a cheap but blatent copy."
I'm still glad I have my TM...won't be trading it in on a HMP - tho I would love to try it out just cuz! ;)
Actually Astarra it is nothing like the THERMOTHINGY and certainly not a copy. It has been around Europe and in Chef's kitchens for a few years. Yeah we all want to try it out for sure.
Gert
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Is the Bellini the HMP??? Sorry, Shows how uneducated I am on these things...?? It is the Bellini my SIL has.
All confused now. :-\
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No, the Bellini is about $400 the HMP Gastro is $2400 the basic HMP is $1900 so not cheap.
The next model HMP is not available in Australia yet.
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Thanx Obbie! All clear now. :D
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Ahhhh, am back. Glad that y'all enjoyed the weekend away, great photos Gert!
Um I have 2 creatives with me in Melbourne, and Will be at the Fine Food Show in Melbourne next week. Whatch this space and I will post info as I learn how to use it over the next few months. ANY questions please ask, I hope that this is not seen as advertising :)
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Ahhhh, am back. Glad that y'all enjoyed the weekend away, great photos Gert!
Um I have 2 creatives with me in Melbourne, and Will be at the Fine Food Show in Melbourne next week. Whatch this space and I will post info as I learn how to use it over the next few months. ANY questions please ask, I hope that this is not seen as advertising :)
Doesn't sound like advertising to me. Would love to hear. Would love make in the creative. Can you make and freeze ice cream in it?
We have not heard from Merrlyn in a while. I wonder how she is getting on with her HMP?
Gert
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I would be interested to see what the creative does.
Stewart, I'm still interested in the HMP, would love to see it in action a bit longer than we had at the food and wine fair.
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Stewart, I am still interested in seeing it. :)
Have not heard from anyone in Cairns.. about ringing me.
Would love to see it in action...
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Thanks Ladies, I will be placing posts about your questions that you have raised. Robin, I will follow up tomorrow
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HMp, I want to see the whizz bang one.
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Hi all,
We have decided for fellow member "HotmixPRO" to be discontinued. The member in question was using this forum as a way to push the HMP machine. He/She has been warned before. This forum was created for Thermomix purposes, and we feel that we cannot allow for competitor products to be "promoted" here. I have suggested for the concerned member to start a HMP forum.
New rules concerning this issue will be posted this week. They have already been drafted :-)
I do hope that you understand this decision. If you need links to HMP website to find out more info, then please PM myself or our wonderful moderators.
For those few members that do own the HMP machine, do not worry. As long as you are not trying to SELL the machine, then you'll be fine.
Finally, of course you can continue to discuss openly about other products. This is a liberal forum. One thing for sure, Thermomix beats them ALL :-)
Happy Mixing
Admin and Co!
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Thanks for making that clear MM. As you all know we do have a couple of members who own the HMP but they do not try to sell them and are wonderful contributory members of the forum who we love to hear from.
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Thanks MM. That is fair enough. Glad that we can still share recipes and helpful hints with the TC and HMP owners.
Could be that someone might start an HMP forum. Be handy.
Gert
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That's perfectly fair. Hopefully, Stewart will look at starting a HMP forum. Tenina has some recipes for it too if people are keen. I would hope that eventually we can have ideas and recipes for all Thermothingy's on here without the actual promotion of one against the other.
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Exactly. Happy Thermomixing for everyone. Thermo what ever has almost become part of the vernacular here. Like Kleenex is to tissue!
Gert
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Glad we can share recipes and hints still here. :) for all themothingys..
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Had a look back at this site that I bookmarked about the Bellini. Not surprised.
http://myintelliexperiment.wordpress.com
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Poor woman, and the blog died along with the machine
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I'm afraid I had a little, no big laugh at her misfortune.
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I suppose it's still under warranty (although withdrawn from market) hopefully shr got her money back!
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Just another way that Thermomix beats them all: just spotted this blog post (http://dreamalittleblog.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/why-varoma-recipes-dont-convert-well/) by a former Bellini owner :( who switched to Thermomix :)... it seems the Bellini's
Varoma steamer is not able to reproduce TMX recipes and the poor Bellini owners are stuck with raw food in their steamers. So sad but good that they are being warned. ;)
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Now Kogan have one too.
http://www.kogan.com/au/buy/thermocook-all-one-food-processor-cooker/
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looks cheap and nasty.
No where near a real themomix.. :) :)
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Has anyone seen that jamie oliver machine?? Havent heard anything about it???
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I've seen it advertised in magazines but that is about all.
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Strange havent heard or seen more about it???
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I'm about to confess that I bought the jamie oliver homecooker from myers the other day. I had a gift voucher that was about to expire and a 15% off email. I hate my son using my thermomix because he never cleans it properly and he wants to do more cooking for himself now that he is about to finish school. I was having visions of coming home from work and finding Tom's jug sitting in the sink every day (yelling at this kid doesn't work....he has skin made of indian rubber). So far I think it is good....I've made mainly stew type dishes in it and am planning to try some chutney's and jams over the weekend. I can post some more information about how I'm finding it if anyone is interested......I wouldn't replace my thermomix (or thermochef) with it but it has some characteristics that are better, but can't do everything the TM or TC can.
It has only just been released on the market here apparently. Myers at Carindale had only just received it into stock.
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No need to justify stacee.. Would be interested to hear what u think?? Or ds lol
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Yes I would be interested to hear more Staceelee
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Me too stacelee.
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No need to be sorry Staceelee, I love machines, and I have a few on my bench. I have heard good reports on Jamie Oliver machine..
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They were advertised in the Hardly Normal catalogue a few weeks ago
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I try not to look at any cattle dogs at the moment.
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?????? You lost me there robyn.
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catalogues
Frozzie ;D
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Okay...here goes. I like the concept of the cutting tower.....I've never been all that enthusiastic about the way that the TM chops vegetables, sometimes it is nicer to have sliced vegetables in stir fries etc. It is raised up high enough to automatically put the vegetables into the cooking pot, although when I did onions I managed to put as many on the bench as in the pot....but that may have been because I didn't have it lined up very well. It seems fairly well made and comes with five different blade inserts (from memory) and is dishwasher safe.
The cooking pot comes with a rice/pasta basket that sits into it and a steaming basket and tray that sits on top. The cooking pot has a "stirrer" that sits on a central column that rotates on the heating base. The pot doesn't rotate, just the column. I'm not sure if it heats by induction. The stirrer works well to move the food around without mushing it. This is one of the things I prefer to the Thermomix. I find that even backwards, the blades tend to break food up....and the thermochef doesn't have a reverse option at all. It is also very good for browning...the temperature goes from 40 to 250C so you can get onion golden and meat browned. I also like the fact that you can cook with the glass lid off which enables sauces etc to reduce easily. The stirrer can also be turned off. I was able to cook mushrooms and chorizo slices with the stirrer function on...meaning I could just ignore it...and then I turned the stirrer off and added eggs to the pan to fry them.
The pan scrubs up well and can go in the dishwasher...the pasta basket and steamer basket also go in the dishwasher. It all stacks on top of one another and doesn't take up a lot of bench space. The footprint on the benchtop is probably a little more than a large saucepan, ignoring the cutting tower.
I don't think that you would buy one instead of a thermomix if you were interested in doing more than making main dishes. As an addition to a thermomix it is great. I made Beef Korma for dinner in the homecooker last night while I was using the TM to make a butter cake and then to cook rice to go with the Korma. For a 17 year old with basic cooking skills, it will be ideal. Being able to set a timer and temperature will make it relatively easy to use and he can dump the lot in the dishwasher. It also will stop pots from being boiled dry on my gas cooktop when he forgets that he is cooking something and I will feel more comfortable that there is less potential of fire.
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Great Idea. My Daughter wants a thermomix and she is 8.
I have started to teach her how to use it already.
perfect for a extra machine, and for a 17 year old to start with.
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Sounds interesting stacelee.
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Sounds good as à second machine .. Oops sorry .. Will go sit in the naughty chair :)
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Have a look at the rules (Rule 5) girls - don't think MM wants prices of competitors discussed here.
5.3 It is forbidden to mention prices of competitor products and accessories in this forum. If people want to know prices of such articles, then please use private messages to each other. We reserve the right to amend this rule at any time, without giving notice. You may however quote prices on food/drink, recipes, and other general domestic products (kitchenware, household goods etc), that do not directly affect Thermomix and it's accessories.
5.4 Links and posts concerning direct competitor (non Thermomix) product sites, courses, recipes, meet ups etc are not allowed and will be removed.
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Was being lazy.. Will go Check online..
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Thanks for letting us know Staceelee
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I have had a look at the Kogan one online (Thermo Blend) and it looks similar to TC but as it is a 'pre-order' they have very little information available about it yet.
Looks like the rice cooker may sit above the jug and not inside like the TM and TC.? And the jug may be two piece?
I have contacted them to try to get some more idea of its potential.
Will let you know what more they have to say about it.
Not sure how much I can say tho with all the rule changes. I don't want to tread on any toes.
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Rosie, Rule 5 covers everything and says no links or prices but Rule 5.5 says You MAY chat about other competitor products so I can't see any harm so far.
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A friend of mine has asked me if I think the Kogan product would be a good buy. Apart from the obvious answer to get a TMX and not waste time on the imitators, I said I would see if there was any comments posted on the forum, as I know the owners of thermochefs on here seem quite happy. If anyone has any feedback to offer I would be interested to pass it on.
Thanks.
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A friend of mine has asked me if I think the Kogan product would be a good buy. Apart from the obvious answer to get a TMX and not waste time on the imitators, I said I would see if there was any comments posted on the forum, as I know the owners of thermochefs on here seem quite happy. If anyone has any feedback to offer I would be interested to pass it on.
Thanks.
I gave a Kogan ThermBlend to my daughter for Christmas.
So far she is very happy with what she has made with it.
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I have both the Thermochef, Thermomix and a Kenwood Cooking Chef and I'm happy with all of them...although the Thermomix is the only one I would go out tomorrow and replace if it died. The thermochef is good but I don't do heavier doughs in it as I have had it replaced once due to motor problems and it has been repaired once. I don't think the motor is anywhere near as good as the thermomix. My kenwood has had to go in for repair twice due to control board issues but as I bought one of the first ones on the market...it probably had a few bugs that they hopefully have now sorted out. Kenwood were very good about repairing it under warranty even though it was well out of it.
One of our suppliers is now trying to sell the MyCook into the commercial market which should be interesting because to me it looks very Bellini like but they are actually pricing the RRP higher than the Thermomix so it will be very interesting to see how it goes. Another suppliers is also about to release one to the Australian market....it is one that I'm itching to get my hands on....I've been promised that I will be allowed to play with one. Depending on what they price it at, it could be a real competitor, but I'm pretty sure its pricing will be higher then the TM.
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Ooh, I am getting very curious about the new products.
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Stacelee, ooh can't wait to find out what it is.
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Robyn now do you need another thermo thingy lol!
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If she buys another Frozzie, she will need to start up a thermo thingy anonymous club!
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Lol.. I would like all those thermie thingys but couldnt justify it.. Thermie is enough for us..
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Frozzie, Kimmy, no I don't, BUT....
I have my thermomix
other thermi thing
slow cooker
nu wave 5 in 1
Pink KitchenAid like Maddys
pizza machine / Frittata machine
donut machine
cake pop machine
Breville grill machine
Cusinart soft serve ice cream machine
I LOVE cooking.
Should take some to work, so I can play at work... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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advertised again today
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Hoping that Bellini users that come here, are aware of the latest issues....blue dye leeching out from the steaming basket when in use :o.......please contact appropriate channels, more comments via their facebook page.
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt266/nachothecat/872f6617044317140219077c0b307e95.jpg)
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That is so bad Maddy.
Glad I don't have one of those.
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I did read that someone was advised that the food is not toxic, if you don't eat it ??? :-\
I just hope people are aware, before they are consuming....although blue vegetables should give a hint.
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will let my SIL know thanks maddy
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OMG! And to think I was contemplating one as a 'second'....thanks for the heads up Maddy, definitely not contemplating any further!
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Jamberie, I know something much better..
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Haha, yes, something else at the top of my wish list, but thought the Bellini might have been useful for sauces & custards etc while I save :)
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you want something to last for years.
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It appears Target have halted selling them once again, I'm guessing until the blue dye issue is sorted.....it's now commonly known as the "smurf test".
Honestly, how many recalls or chances do you give a product, before throwing in the towel??
Many are on 3rd & 4th replacements with in 6 months.
I know there is a need for a thermo appliance in an affordable price range, but jeez....I am gobsmacked to read people are washing the steamer multiple times, just in the hope to stop leeching blue dye, so it can then be put to use.
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Thanks Maddy for this info. It is really creepy and scary. Creepy that such a product could be sold here and scary that people may be eating food out of it.