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Welcoming Center, Management and General Chat => Chit Chat => Topic started by: Itsnotartitsdinner on October 04, 2014, 06:30:05 am
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Is anyone following the Pete Evans led inspired change to Heart foundation tick and overhauled food guidelines with dieticians? I'm loving this movement.
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Could you provide more info INAID.
Sounds interesting.
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I'm interested too. I have heard that companies can buy the tick, not sure about that.
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http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/food/celebrity-chef-pete-evans-is-left-boiling-after-his-controversial-caveman-diet-cops-a-serve/story-fnov1g0j-1227074678987
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If you are on Facebook look at his page and the daily commentary from dieticians and health professionals that support his way of thinking. There is also a petition against heart foundation running at the moment. I'll find the link.
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https://www.change.org/p/heart-foundation-stop-giving-advice-and-promoting-food-that-causes-heart-disease
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Thanks for that information INAID I will have a thorough read.
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No problems Cookie. The commentary from health professionals is really good reading on his fb page. It makes so much sense to me. I don't follow paleo. I do avoid processed foods and try and minimise gluten, eat mainly whole foods and conscientiously try and minimise sugar. I try and buy grass fed meat, grow our own veggies, minimise chemicals etc. Next step raising chickens and fermenting.
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Yes, I agree with Pete & I think that the Heart Foundation is more for raising money, rather than helping people eat healthily. Many of their ideas seem to be out of date.
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I read that as long as you have $25k + the tick is yours. The heart foundation lost all credibility when it gave the tick to McDonald's.
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you can buy the heart foundation tick..for $$$$$
makes no sense, we eat so healthy, use olive oil or EVOO only. no take away at all ever.
I have heart failure, and cardiomyopthy and my DH had stents last year.
Nothing to do with our diets or food at all.
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I don't think you can buy the heart foundation tick, need to meet the criteria. There are products out there though that meet the criteria and can't afford the heart foundation tick.
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As long as it's full of sugar and carbs "deemed low fat" and you have an open cheque book, the tick is for the taking. Milo cereal... Heart foundation approved, frozen sausage rolls full of so many numbers you don't know what's in them.. Heart foundation approved. Start looking at the foods that have the tick. It's disgraceful.
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I think the tick is only a comparison of like foods. For example breakfast cereals are compared.
It is not really a good guide of whats really healthy and wholesome.
Thats why I have a TM31 and make all most all our food from scratch using the best basic ingredients I can afford!
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Robyn do you use butter or what for cooking please? How was your DH's cholesterol? Life can be crazy at times. I feel that hereditary plays a very large part, but we do need to help it along.
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The Heart Foundation are now taking a survey of consumers regarding their Tick program:
http://survey.peoplepulse.com.au/display.php?mid=9850521c6bc56f623323
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I think the Heart Foundation is backed into a corner because they have based the last 50+ years of their direction on what is now being shown to be flawed research.
They can't very easily turn around and say we got it wrong there is nothing really wrong with fat in the diet. Also there is a whole food industry that makes a fortune on the low fat industry, they are not going to go down without a fight.
As for the whole paleo thing I am not convinced that it is the way to go either. We definitely eat too much processed food and should eat more fresh food, particularly plants. Fruit in season and in small quantities and lots of vegetables.
I think that the paleo diet elimination of grains and legumes is misguided, our paleolithic ancestor would have eaten grains and legumes, stored grains and dried legumes along with tuberous vegetables would have help get them through the long ice age winters. They would probably have eaten grains boiled whole and in limited quantities.
As for the elimination of dairy products for those of us that have developed the ability to digest lactose this is proof that we have evolved with our changing diets.
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I agree with you about Paleo DD. I love my grains and lentils. All things in moderation and listen to your body.
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Thanks INAID. I wasn't aware of all of this. Will be fascinating to see where this all goes.
I am interested in the paleo thing but I love grains and legumes ;D Apparently our modern grains are quite different to those of our ancestors, hence the many intolerances. I believe science has really "let the side down" with regard to food. The prevalence of food-like substances is a worry, as are the many "fresh" food imports. It takes some effort to buy fresh in season, local fruit and veg.I do avoid processed foods and try and minimise gluten, eat mainly whole foods and conscientiously try and minimise sugar. I try and buy grass fed meat, grow our own veggies, minimise chemicals etc. Next step raising chickens and fermenting.
Way to go INAID 8) 8) 8) I am up to fermenting ;D
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Djinni I agree with you about the difficulty in buying fresh local in season produce, the big supermarkets in their effort to keep the market share import so much 'fresh' produce it is not funny.
Cherries in July, grapes on the shelf already, asparagus avaialble all year round etc etc. The only way ot go is to find a local farmets market and only buy what they have in season. Unfortunately for some of us living in the country this is not always possible.
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DD that is exactly how I feel.
Paleo sounds good until the elimination of grains. I believe in eating like grandma did, preferably in season and lots of fresh produce locally grown.
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In season is usually better quality and better price.
I look at the peaches and nectarines brought in during winter, they are as hard as rocks and no one ever seems to buy them.
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Interesting comment, DD.
All the various diets and fads are too confusing! 😱😱😱
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I'm a bit of a fan of the paleo diet because I've seen its benefits for a close family member who had gut issues and needed a gut healing diet. Our family was on a modified paleo diet for a couple of years with the help of a dietitian and now pretty much back to normal, though still much reduced wheat consumption. The health of the whole family improved while on it. I'm about to go back on it because after I started relaxing my own diet (and making bread for DH!!) I've developed arthritis nodules which I will do anything to reduce and the paleo diet is reputed to help reduce inflammation. I intend to see the dietitian again to help me forward.
I tend to think that it's a diet you go on when there's a good reason to do so. It's not a fad but a necessity for some.
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Cookie I used normal table marg for cooking. I do use raw sugar, and always reduced the amount used.
My cholesterol in 3.8 (brilliant) my DH is about 5.
We always use olive oil, and EVOO, nothing else. I get in in 4 litre tins..
MY DH heart problems is hereditary, my cardiomyopthy was caused by a virus 12-15 years ago, not diet.
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Thanks Robyn. Your cholesterol is great. Yes I realised cardiomyopathy was caused by a virus nothing else. I'm pleased you are on the mend. Very scarey for your DH to have hereditary heart problems, sadly many don't find out until it is too late.
Take care of yourself.
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my DH father died at 49 from heart attack
DH brother has had heart bypass at 35, so its in the family.
mine is by a virus, so alot of people blame diet for no reason. :)
I have signed up for a remote device for my ICD, saves me worrying about anything..
amazing what doctors can do.... :) :)
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I am of the same opinion Re grains, dairy and legumes. But that is because we have no health issues. We eat no more than a loaf of bread a week though and I do try and limit wheat. Since I got rid of low fat foods and margarine and replaced with real fats, coconut milk/cream, butter etc the fat has fallen off me.
Here is another well researched article. http://mobile.news.com.au/finance/sugar-trap-heart-foundation-critics-say-tick-deals-with-nestle-uncle-tobys-mcdonalds-aldi-too-sweet-to-ignore/story-e6frfm1i-1226265842672
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Sorry to hear of your heart health problems Robyn.
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just did the survey. :)
INAID I will get better with rest.
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You are lucky Robyn. Some cases of cardiomyopathy sometimes doesn't have a good outcome.
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yeah cookie, just wished they had picked it up earlier. :)
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Rest up Robyn!
I'm not a Paleo fan, but agree with the principles of the way of eating. I'm a wholefoods fan, eating a wide variety of grains including gluten free on occasion. We only eat saturated fats and macadamia and olive oils, butter, cream, whole milk etc.
I completed the survey of the HF Tick programme with very scathing comments and hope that many others did too. Cyndi O'Meara had the link on her FB page.
No one can really say what Paleolithic man ate and I bet it was different in different regions of the world then.
For those who have trouble with wheat, it's not that the grains have changed a great deal. We're still producing the same wheat we were when DH's grandfather ran the farm. We use seed that we save. What has changed are the processing methods. White flour wasn't readily available and the government didn't play with it by fortifying with vitamins etc. Bread is proven at a rapid rate instead of slowly and steadily in order to allow the gluten to develop. This is my theory of why there is so much gluten intolerance in society today. That and the fact that the Heart Foundation encourage us to eat a LOT of wheat. They say grains, but it's pretty rare to find Barley, Lupin, Oat or other grain breads in the supermarkets today.
If I make a wholemeal loaf from our own grain, I soak the dough overnight and add the yeast the next day before going through the bread making process. Of course, there's also sourdough, thanks to our Chookie. I don't make this as often, though as DH only likes soft white bread. :-))
So, all in all, the Heart Foundation has a great deal to answer for. Encouraging low fat (meaning high sugar) and processed carbohydrates to the detriment of good wholesome made from scratch foods.
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I did the survey, and added a good few comments, since I have heart problems..... :)
funny, I am never swayed by the heart foundation tick, and yet their marketing to people like me..
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yeah cookie, just wished they had picked it up earlier. :)
At least things are on the up now.
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just popped into work for 1/2 hour, felt great.. :)
I am home now..
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Robyn, Good to here you are nearly back to your old self well actually better than the recent old self.
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Meganjane can you explain how you soak your dough?
I've enjoyed reading the 500 odd posts on their fb page Re receiving the petition. I really hope the tick is given the flick. However too many big food companies rely on it and the HF national peak body. Pity it's totally corrupt and run by those whose mouths it feeds.
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Good to hear you are feeling better Robyn. :D
I'm part of a study at the moment. Started on 7th October and goes to the 7th of December. We had a blood test and height, weight, BP and measurements done. Low fat, plant based diet, no eating in between meals (only fruit if you have to), no caffeine or alcohol and at least 10,000 steps a day.
Already I have had to halve my antihypertensive medication.
I was really hungry in the first week but now I'm fine.
At 54yrs old and dieting at different times since I was at least 14yrs old (40yrs :-))) this is the easiest I've ever done it.
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great Michelle, doctors want me to loose another 5-10 kilos...
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No caffeine or alcohol for 2 months, I could do the alcohol bit but my morning cup of coffee - I doubt it. Good on you Michele, it sounds as if it's already doing you good.
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Mich that is great. Well done.
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Wow Mitch, way to go!
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Good going Michele ;D
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Fantastic Mich, sounds like you are going great. The plan sounds like a lifestyle rather than a diet. I would struggle with the coffee and alcohol all though these days I limit both of them. I'm sure you"ll be fantastic by December and will have formed some great habits.
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Congratulations Mich. Who is running the study?
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Thank you for all the interesting reading and the link to the survey. I don't think they are going to like the comments they get from anyone here :).
I understand that not everyone will, or can cook using actual food, those things that don't need a tick, or a label. However, I think if the Heart Foundation used all the money spent on just this one campaign teaching people how to read labels and be more critical consumers, the outcome would be better and longer lasting.
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Thanks girls. Feeling good.
Congratulations Mich. Who is running the study?
Lifestyle Medicine Institute is running the study.
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It's been 6 weeks since I started the study. My first lot of bloods were taken on 2 Oct and second lot on 4th Nov. My numbers weren't that out of wack to start with but I've had a great improvement in just a month. My cholesterol was 5, should be under 4 and is now 3.8. The bad fats - LDL's were 2.66 should be under 2 and are now 1.59. Fasting Glucose was 5.1, 3.5 - 5.5 is a normal range and mine is now 4.3 and in 6 weeks I've lost 8kgs.
Still some work to do and weight to loose but very pleased. :)
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Congratulations Michele, you have done really well and must be thrilled with those results in just 1 month.
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Wow Michele. That is fantastic in just one month 8) 8) 8) Well done!
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Congratulations, Mich!! Very impressive!! Good on you! :)
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Well done Michele.Excellent results in just one month.
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Great results Michele, Well done :)
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Just getting back to this thread.
Itsnotartitsdinner, I mix wholemeal flour that I've ground myself from our own wheat with the water quantity of the recipe and leave it to soak in the Thermie bowl overnight. I then add the yeast and salt and continue with the recipe. If you want my recipe, it's on my blog:
Soaked Whole Wheat Bread (http://bushgourmand.blogspot.com.au/2014/06/soaking-grains.html)
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Michelle great results :)
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Fantastic results Michelle you must be very happy. It's amazing what a change in diet can do. Does the study also incorporate exercise or is it only food related?
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Well done Michele!
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Great work Mich I would love to hear more about what you have been doing.
Can't wait to see this movie. And more so it being played out in our schools! He developed fatty liver disease in 18 days! Doing nothing but eating a supposedly "healthy" low fat diet of hidden sugars. It hits cinemas next year. http://www.thatsugarfilm.com
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Fantastic results Michelle you must be very happy. It's amazing what a change in diet can do. Does the study also incorporate exercise or is it only food related?
We've been given a pedometer and should be incorporating 10,000 steps a day. I do that easily with work, some people are struggling that have sit down jobs. I try and do 18,000 - 20,000 steps a day as I need the extra for weight loss. We have also had a session with a exercise physiologist, a physiotherapist and have even done a zumba class (that was hilarious). They also have cooking demos and they use a TMX most of the time. (pity they didn't give us one of those).
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Congratulations Mich. Do you feel well in yourself? It sounds very interesting.
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I feel great, also I've halved my blood pressure medication too. :)
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hey Michelle wish they could do that to me. Glad you are doing so well.