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Thermomix Recipes for TM5 and TM31 => Diet => Topic started by: Nay-nay on February 05, 2010, 01:20:50 am
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After spending 3 days out of this week in the Emergency room with my mother-in-law and finding 'emergency surgery' takes a week to happen, I decided to do some research on Gallstones and share with you the recipes I have been able to prepare in good ol' Thermie.
BEET RECIPE
Treatment for Gallbladder Pain
Take 1 large organic raw beetroot washed (not peeled unless not organic) and finely grated by whizzing in TMX for 5 secs on speed 6-7 add juice of 1/2 lemon by squeezing on the lid with MC in place and then 2 Tbsp flax oil
(Flax oil is by far the superior choice here as it is an omega 3 essential fatty acid, but if you only have extra-virgin cold-pressed olive oil in the house, you can substitute it temporarily.)
Take one teaspoon of mixture every hour throughout the day.
On day two and three make a fresh batch using ¼ of a large beet.
Take one teaspoon of mixture 3 to 4 times a day or more.
Make this mixture to add to your salads frequently or eat alone as above 2 or 3 times a week. This will keep the bile thin and moving. Note: If you cannot get organic beets, be sure to peel them. Otherwise, use the peel as well.
Beets in any form are an excellent food for both the liver and the gallbladder.
Green Soup Recipe for Relief of Gallbladder Pain
One bunch parsley
3 medium zucchini
½ lb. Green beans
5 stalks celery
Steam together for 8-10 minutes in varoma.
Puree in TMX for 20-30 sec on speed 6-7.
NOTE: THIS SOUP IS NOT FOR A GALLBLADDER ATTACK! Use the Flax Seed Tea. Liquids are best during an attack. You could try the Beet Recipe. Many find it helps, but others do better with just liquids. It is wonderful for relief from all sorts of gastric disturbances such as stomach pain, gas, and indigestion. I do not add any fat or salt to this recipe. It can be used anytime but is particularly useful as a three day fast with nothing else but water. It is both nourishing and easy to digest. You can alter the amounts to taste. More beans add more sweetness.
Flax Seed Tea Recipe
Useful during a gallbladder attack.
Add 1 Tbsp of organic flax seeds to 2 1/2 cups of water and put on 100oC for 5 minutes ^^ . Steep 10 minutes. Strain and sip slowly.
These recipes and other helpful information can be found at : http://www.gallbladderattack.com/gallbladderdiet.shtml
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Thanks - ILB may be able to help too ? I wonder if Epsom salts helps at all to get the gall bladder emptying? have to check with google BEFORE anyone tries. It helps animals sometimes?
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That's right - it was ILB - I knew one of our fav Hero members had surgery recently. That website suggests what to eat after you have gall out as well. ;)
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Check this (http://curezone.com/clark/liver_original.asp) out Nay-nay. I did this liver flush and the epsom salt a couple times.
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I think with the epsom salts having it contact the tongue is supposed to have an effect on the gall bladder to make it contract ? Still haven't had time to google.
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Thanks Guys! If it were me I would be tryin everything I could to save a body organ but my dear MIL has alot of faith in Doctors - something I don't have - but that's another story. ;)
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I'm the same Nay Nay... they have their place for those who have faith in them though. ;)
All I know about gallstones is that egg can create issues... is this normal? Or just peculiar to a close friend of mine? She ends up in the ER if she has even a tiny amount. :(
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Yeah - egg affected my MIL too. The website with the link below said this:
Eggs (Research showed that eggs caused symptoms in up to 95% of patients. However, in my clinical experience soft-boiled or poached with no fat added seems to be okay. Perhaps this is due to the lecithin content that is present in the raw or close to raw egg.)
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Thanks Guys! If it were me I would be tryin everything I could to save a body organ but my dear MIL has alot of faith in Doctors - something I don't have - but that's another story. ;)
I hear you ;)
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Oh wow I love eggs, and I had eggs the night I had my first severe attacks. Actually ended up so crook that 4 mths later they came out and recovery was so easy I'm glad t's gone
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My younger sis had her gall bladder out about a year ago. What is ILB? I'd love to get some recipes that may help her, she's been having some digestive issue.
The Dr told her there are no side effects to having your gall bladder out. She's since found that to be incorrect. :-\
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ILB is one of our forum members, I Love Bimby who also had her gall bladder out late last year.
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Oh, ok I thought you were referring to a website :D
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My younger sis had her gall bladder out about a year ago. What is ILB? I'd love to get some recipes that may help her, she's been having some digestive issue.
The Dr told her there are no side effects to having your gall bladder out. She's since found that to be incorrect. :-\
Yes - the website mentioned in the first comment in this thread has some helpful suggestions for those that have had gall out and the recipes below are also good for those who have lost their gall. i don't think there is any such thing as a usless body part - just because doctors haven't figured what they are useful for yet doesn't mean they won't one day. eg gall, tonsils, appendix, wisdom teeth. ;) http://www.gallbladderattack.com/gallbladderdiet.shtml
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I think with the epsom salts having it contact the tongue is supposed to have an effect on the gall bladder to make it contract ? Still haven't had time to google.
Oh dear, I think personally that the epsom salts having contact with the tongue only has the effect of the stomach contracting as it tries to send it all back the way it came!!! :-X :-X
I actually thought mine was a dairy intolerance that was getting progressively worse. And it seems that what set my main “attack” off was a soy latte (actually one a day for 2 days in a row). Banana and Avocado are also high in fat and can upset people too (before and after surgery).
I can only go off my personal experience and the research I did before having mine out. I was shocked that the GP and the Surgeon were so enthusiastic to just rip it out before looking at alternatives. I found that the only opinions I could get were very skewed and no balanced in-between view which made getting all the facts very difficult. I ended up going down the track of looking at natural alternatives and flushes (epsom salts and olive oil/lemon juice one) but found that I didn't get much results (or stones passed), more just a lot of sludge and a good clean out!
Just before surgery was scheduled I ended up seeing my naturopath for her opinion as I was so lost in everyone else’s and had been in so much pain with the attacks. I found she had a really good balanced opinion that wasn't biased one way or the other. She went through the physical size of the bile ducts, how it all worked and why the flushes only get rid of the sludge in the gall bladder and not the stones. She had a good friend who worked in radiology who had stones and agreed to do some testing for her. Before she was to have surgery she did a flush and collected the "stones" that she passed, then had the surgeon keep the stones for her that they removed during surgery and did another flush post surgery. Apparently the stones that were removed surgically from the gall bladder were quiet different to the stones that came out of with the flushes. The true "Gall Stones" were as hard as glass or stone and would not have taken quiet some time (years) to dissolve, so those flushes drinking grapefruit juice or lemon juice for a week wouldn't have done much dissolving them at all. My Naturopaths said she has some patients that have made radical life style changes permanently and have been able to manage and over time the stones have started to shrink a little but 10-11 years on they still have the stones. Others have ended up having the surgery anyway.
For me, I think it was the best decision I could have made to go through with the surgery. It turned out my gall bladder was full of fibrosis and had shown signs of having not worked for quiet some time. According to the pathology bill I got it was also sent away for further testing. …
So I’d recommend that you do some serious investigations and work out what’s best for you. I changed my mind so many times with each new piece of information that came up either pro or con surgery…. So was relieved to finally find a balanced view.
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This is what my mum found also. She saved the stones she collected from the lemon and oil flush she did (YUK!) and took them to the doctors - the doctor was very interested in getting them tested so sent them to pathology. When tests came back she was told there are 2 types of stones - soft ones (cholesterol??? - I think - not sure) and those really hard ones that don't break down or flush out. So she had only got rid of the one type and had to get op anyway to remove others. But I was just hoping as science advanced they would find a way to get rid of stones and not the whole gall. But soooo true ILB you should never undergo any treatment or put anything in your mouth without a full investigation. :)
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This other lady that did the pre, surgically removed and post samples found the same. Apparently after much research that similar stones also form in your liver, which are much more easily passed. So when this lady did the post flush, she was getting rid of the same kind of stones that she passed on the first flush (hope that makes sense ???).
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I got mine out as I had researched and talked to others who'd done flushes and still had them too. My naturopath was totally against me getting it out but man it has had an effect on my mood and stress levels! My stress levels dropped so quick after. Apparently chinese medicine says anger and frustration is held in the gallbladder, so that coincides with my stress levels dropping. Even hubby said I'm not so jittery, a lot calmer.
Has also now shown up to my doctor my malabsorption problem a lot more, so now investigating that yuk. lol
Hope you all feel better too that had yours removed
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Thanks Lexi. I probably have less resentment and maybe a little calmer but some mornings getting ready for work DD might argue that lol.
But still have issues coping with much fats. But much healthier than before the op!
Sorry to hear about the malabsorption issue. Some vitamins etc can only be absorbed by fat, so a reduced fat intake will reduce the goodness we're getting from food. Remembering my GP gave me quiet a spiel on how importantfat is in our diet. Anyway i'm off track now. Hope they can find what's causing it soon!
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I suddenly need to read this thread through very carefully. My Dad has been in hospital for the last week with 3 large gallstones (1 blocking his duct) and an extremely infected and enlarged gall bladder. The poor man cannot be operated on until the infection is gone but it shows no sign of subsiding. I had no idea that gallstones could be so painful and cause so many complications. My Dad didn't even know he had any gall stones prior to this severe attack.
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Chelsea, so sorry to hear about your Dad :'(. Hope the infection goes quickly!
I had no idea I had gall stones either. Apparently most people do have gall stones, but it doesn't worry most people. I'd thought it was a dairy intolerance that was gradually getting worse until I had an "attack" that lasted days and was in terrible pain. Mum kept telling me it was just interg estion :-)) but any of the antacids didn't touch it at all.
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oh my god Chelsea my mother was the same last week- she was in so much pain. she actually stopped breathing at one point because it was so bad. She is now also waiting to get them out once this calms down.
I had no idea either it could be so bad.
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It is just awful. I hope your Mum's are settled soon and she is able to have them out. My Dad is off morphine now and is just waiting until the infection disappears (the anti-biotics are taking a while to work). He is the last of his siblings to have their gall bladders out. I'm hoping it finishes with his generation.
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Isnt this all a co-incidence! Or just very common. :o :o :o :o My Father in Law is in hospital at the moment too! For just over a week with stones in his gall bladder, one is obstructing a duct and has caused lots of infection too! Lets hope they all get sorted out quickly!
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Wow... all this is so interesting.
I've had my gallbladder out as it was 'finished' along with over 60+ corn-sized stones about 12 years ago after I've had my first baby. The attacks came just a couple of weeks after the birth and was so bad that I cannot do anything for days - spewin, etc - you see? :-\
It was so hard to do anything like investigating why this happened so I just went and got it out. I was told that I was lucky that they've got it out in time. Guess it was that bad.
It was only just about 10 mins ago that I finally realised that all the symptoms I've been feeling for the last 10 years were just after the operation - so I am now investigating whether it is related to the absence of the gallbladder that affects my own body. Sighs... that's why I was saying that its all so interesting!
I am now wondering what's with appendicitis... as I've got mine out last Dec!! :-))
Thanks for this
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For those of you who've had your GB out recently, it does get better with time.
I used to vomit after eating bacon or even chips, but now I can have a moderate amount of fatty foods without too much coming back at me.
I had mine out 8 years ago after my mum's 50th bday party. I'd barely eaten anything except a roast lamb roll (It was spit roasted so DEVINE!), one glass of wine and I woke up feeling like I had drunk 4 bottles of wine. It was foul. Ended up severely sick for a few days to which I eventually got into a specialist. Did an ultrasound, saw that my GB was PACKED full of stones and booked me in for surgery 3 weeks later.
I ended up in so much pain that 2 days after my appointment, I rang begging for any cancellation surgeries and he managed to fit me in the following Wednesday. It was sweet relief when it was taken out. The stones themselves... Well there was no way in hell they were gonna be dissolved any way. They were as hard as all buggery.
I was 23 at the time and had no symptoms prior to my attack. I only had the one attack and it was a doozy. 8 years on, things are pretty normal. The first couple of years I had to carry a roll of quickeze in my handbag, but I barely get reflux anymore. The best bit about it out is that you are FORCED to think about the amount of fat you consume.
Good luck to all suffering. I hope it is remedied somehow soon. (Surgery or not)
Steph.
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Thanks The Vermins. :-* 6 months on and it's getting a little easier. Mostly just really sensitive about 12 hours after eating any rich, heavy or fatty foods and have noticed that this week I've had intergestion from Monday to Friday after eating a goat dish (it had way too much meat for my liking - but was yummy).
You are totally right, its made me completely re-think the way I eat which really is all for the better.
Not sure if it's related or not, but lately after bread and more so yeast breads I feel soooo bloated!! Not sure if it's just because I'm more attune to my body now or if I've somehow become more sensitive, but I guess it's all good for reviewing whats good for my body or not. ;)
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I'm going to try REAL sour dough. A girlfriend of mine has a starter that is 17 yr old. I can't wait to make some! I"d give real sour dough a go. See if that helps the bloating.
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Might try that. I've been having some Irish Brown Soda Bread lately. No yeast, just baking powder/bi carb soda. And that goes down a lot easier.
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sourdough is fun... but I will warn you.. it's addictive (well baking it is! :D)
The theory is good.. since it contains helpful gut cultures. Here's hoping it works!
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sourdough is fun... but I will warn you.. it's addictive (well baking it is! :D)
For me the eating is even MORE addictive :o :o :o :o ;D
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Well if you lived next door Thermomixer, I'd keep you well supplied. ;) :D
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I could relocate .... but I hate the heat. :( :( :( ;D ;D ;D
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You are hard to please Thermomixer! ;) :D
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You don't know the half of it - won't let MrsT contact you ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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You don't know the half of it - won't let MrsT contact you ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
:D :D :D