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Welcoming Center, Management and General Chat => Chit Chat => Topic started by: gertbysea on April 27, 2012, 10:46:31 am
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I must have been sorely bored the other day to spend a few hours on Facebook. I joined originally at the behest of my rellies overseas as a means to "catch up".
Now that I have befriended a lot of my fellow Thermomixers on my Facebook page it as grown into some sort of crazy competition for likes? Whats is this that all about? I am clueless.
And it gets worse. It seems now that there is someone telling some Facebook Thermomixers to unfriend or unlike other Facebook Thermomix people . Give me strength. This is kindergarten stuff. This is where bullying starts. Are consultants so frightened of big brother they will sabotage other people's Facebook pages?
I have "liked" a lot of interesting pages on Facebook. I visit my page maybe once a week or less. Recently I have seem some things I find quite sad . I hope it does not flow over to this forum where we are free to like who we like and just ignore those we don't care much for without announcing it to the world.
Those who post on the web must know that there is NOTHING sacred. Every time you click like or unlike it is noted. To friend or unfriend is also noted.
To be told you have to "unlike" or "unfriend" someone on your FB page is going too far.
It is at least giving several people full time work to keep up with every single thing that's said by every consultant, enthusiast and nay sayer on every blog and every Facebook page not to mention several other public sites. This is surely not the reputation that Thermomix wants. It does no one any favours especially the hard working consultants. Intimidation is not the way to win friends and influence sales.
The airways are running hot.
Gert
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I got fed up with FB a little while ago Gretchen and cancelled myself out of it. It is just not normal to me and I don't miss it one little bit (unless someone gives a link to their FB page for something I am interested in and I can't get in because I am no longer a member :-)))
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I'm confused - I'm not on Facebook so I'm not sure what's going on.
Are you saying that consultants aren't allowed to like something?
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I use Facebook a lot and I happily LIKE when I appreciate a post or a photo or a link from someone else. I don't feel at all competitive about it and hadn't heard anyone else commenting on that either, Gert. Are you referring to some people running business pages getting excited when they reach milestones eg a thousand LIKEs. Some people have giveaways to celebrate reaching a certain number of LIKEs on their business pages but that doesn't apply to personal pages.
For example, a magazine posted: "We Made It 500 fans! thank you all so much for your support!!!"
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Gert, that is really sad. I have a Facebook account, so I could look at my daughters photos when she was travelling overseas. I haven't worked out how to cancel my account. I have occassionally seen my nieces or nephews pages - never comment and am a bit horrified at,the content! Usually only go on to look at something,they have said about. Then that's me for months at a time.
I think this forum is great, wonderful supportive tone, no nastiness that I've seen and great recipes. it would be terrible to see it go down a similiar path.
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ElleG, it is easier to join FB than to get out of it. I ended up googling 'how to unsubscribe to facebook' >:( Then they give you 2 weeks to change your mind, if you make one posting within that time you are no longer cancelled so I have not gone near it again. I don't even know if it stays up and just sits there inactive or whether it is actually removed.
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FB is great for my Picture Framing business, I get a lot of business from people who have joined my page. But as for the personal page I don't have a lot of time for it these days. It's great to keep in touch with family and friends from all over the place, but I hate all the games request things (I'm not interested at all) and its becoming overcrowded with complete crap.
FB you either love it or hate it :)
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I got fed up with FB a little while ago Gretchen and cancelled myself out of it. It is just not normal to me and I don't miss it one little bit (unless someone gives a link to their FB page for something I am interested in and I can't get in because I am no longer a member :-)))
I am with you Judy. If it weren't for my relatives in various parts of the world I would too. I am thinking about deleting all my Thermomixers pages though. I really do not get FB. I would much rather an email.
I use Facebook a lot and I happily LIKE when I appreciate a post or a photo or a link from someone else. I don't feel at all competitive about it and hadn't heard anyone else commenting on that either, Gert. Are you referring to some people running business pages getting excited when they reach milestones eg a thousand LIKEs. Some people have giveaways to celebrate reaching a certain number of LIKEs on their business pages but that doesn't apply to personal pages.
So long as YOU are allowed to like who you want then that is fine. I know not a thing about business pages and milestones and such like. I am only talking about being told to unlike or unfriend someone because it does not suit. And yes the alleged ban does apply to personal pages of those who may be consultants and have several FB pages which is not unusual. And I agree you will be unlikely to "hear " of such a ban.
Gert
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Dont do facebook
H :)
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Dont do facebook
H :)
Don't start if you can avoid it :)
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Dede, i dont plan too. Hapy with my emails & this site, boy I coudnt keep up with anything else.
H :)
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Dont do facebook
H :)
Me either Hally. It takes all my time keeping up with you guys here :D :D I just love the camaraderie here ;D
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And what about Twitter? Does anyone understand what that's all about?
Gert
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And what about Twitter? Does anyone understand what that's all about?
Gert
No Gert :D :D :D :D
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I have a personal FB page and two other pages, one for my business and one for my Food obsession!
I haven't noticed anything that you're talking about Gretch, and hope I never do!
My Bush Gourmand FB page is pretty much a dedicated Thermomix page, so it will be interesting to see how I go with that.
My personal page is limited to my family and friends and I don't often comment there.
I've liked a number of Thermomix FB pages and enjoy the interaction and information I receive from them.
Twitter is basically just links back to FB or other interesting stuff on the web.
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I'm afraid I don't have time for Facebook or twitter either. Last year there was a problem with some of the girls in my daughter's class involving nasty thing being said about each other on Facebook. They are only 10 and shouldn't be on Facebook anyway.
I love the fact that this forum is so supportive and friendly. I think I'm addicted!
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MJ - It will be intersting to see if you get affected once you become a consultant.
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I admit to looking at 'Cooking with Tenina' on facebook but that is all. I love her bits and pieces there. I occasionally look at twitter but rarely use it. I always have a pseudonym though so most people don't know it's me. It's different on twitter and facebook. The only information on facebook about me is the pseudonym that was set up by a friend.
Gert I don't like what appears to be going on, I find all forms of bullying abhorrant. How can people/companies do this?
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I don't do Facebook, or twitter.
I do email, at work and home daily.
My phone numbers are all listed if you want me. you can find me.
Robyn :)
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MJ - It will be intersting to see if you get affected once you become a consultant.
Yes indeed.
I admit to looking at 'Cooking with Tenina' on facebook but that is all. I love her bits and pieces there. I occasionally look at twitter but rarely use it. I always have a pseudonym though so most people don't know it's me. It's different on twitter and facebook. The only information on facebook about me is the pseudonym that was set up by a friend.
Gert I don't like what appears to be going on, I find all forms of bullying abhorrant. How can people/companies do this?
Pseudonyms are a very useful tool. They can do it because We allow it. By we I mean those who can not or will not take a stand. I will always stand up to bullies because I can now do it. As a child I could not. I will take a stand because it is the right thing to do and perhaps in the past I was unwilling to do so . Then I grew balls.
Gert
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I am on fb and use it to communicate to friends and family far away. I am also members of a few TMX pages like Teninas etc and also a few additive free ones.
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Ive used facebook for years as it is the best way to keep in touch with our family and friends dotted all over the world.. See everyones photos etc BUT my facebook page is only accessable to family and friends and i dont add every single person i come across like some do...you can also select for eg with photos that only one person can view them.. I think if you know how to use it then its fine and that you keep all settings as private as possible as the rules change regularily...each to their own though but i would have missed out on seeing so much if it wasnt for fb
As for business pages et there are a number of them easy to follow and they are easier to keep track of than visiting i dont know how many blogs every day... The likes is just about growing as the more likes the more presents and giveaways etc and its a measurement of how successful or not your paticular product or service may be and its free...
As for games i nev play them on facebook as to accept them you need to give acess to your private info and they dont interest me anyway.. I did play a restaurant one in the beginning but kept thinking to. Yself how ridiculous that people waste their time doing this and your obliged to do it every day or you lose lives points etc so cancelled it all off my account..
It works for me for the moment but they ofte. Change the rules so if your not up to date with it all it can be a problem...i hope it doesnt change too mich as i find it a good medium of communication for people in my situation..
Find twitter useless and have never joined as the whole concept of live chat about useless info really does nothing for me
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I agree Frozzie! I have my FB account for 4 years now, a great way to keep in touch with my family , longlost school mates and colleagues best friends, but only family and friends! Have never ever had problem and I love it! As it helps me keep in touch but without being time consuming. But I am strict to who I add.
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I've got a facebook page. I had one in '09 but closed it because when I joined I didn't know enough to keep my personal email hidden and for some reason I began getting hundreds of emails daily.
I became very wary and only rejoined in January at the request of my grandkids.
Most of my friends are basenji people, folks I know via the Discworld/Terry Pratchett forum and a few political (I'm a liberal democrat) friends with whom I have done volunteer work.
I post a fair number of political links, political cartoons and articles that I think show just how out of touch the republicans are, and how much they are backed by huge corporations, big oil, etc., which has been exacerbated by our Supreme Court approving of the "Citizens United" deal, which had nothing to do with "citizens" and everything to do with billionaires, corporations and etc., shoveling unlimited amounts of money to essentially "buy" elections.
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i love facebook, but from what i've heard, consultants have been told by HO what they can and can't like, which sounds terribly controlling. thank goodness they can't tell me what to do. i've made lots of new friends through fb, and it really isn't that different from a forum - there are all sorts and you don't have to friend everyone you meet.
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i love facebook, but from what i've heard, consultants have been told by HO what they can and can't like, which sounds terribly controlling. thank goodness they can't tell me what to do. i've made lots of new friends through fb, and it really isn't that different from a forum - there are all sorts and you don't have to friend everyone you meet.
You heard right on that one thermohaven. What I cannot understand is why they comply. "Liking" Tenina , for example, will result in phone call . Liking people who like or support Tenina will also result in a phone call. Don't even think about mentioning For Food Sake and it gets worse.
Gert
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I have been in a company that was that controlling and I left after 6 weeks...imagine working there....yikes!
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I also know consultants are not allowed to "like" the super kitchen machine spatulas (which are amazing) let alone speak about them. What would HO say if they knew some of these consultants also went to Tenina's class?
Dani Valent obviously did something right as she's very much supported.
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I also know consultants are not allowed to "like" the super kitchen machine spatulas (which are amazing) let alone speak about them. What would HO say if they knew some of these consultants also went to Tenina's class?
Dani Valent obviously did something right as she's very much supported.
Now would you not think that they would be happy to have a tool like that at HO? More fool them.
Dani Valent sold her book to Thermomix I suspect or at least the rights to the first run. Have we heard from her since she first came on the forum and asked for recipes for her book? I don't have the book but isn't there one from superkitchenmachine.com blog in it? There must be some good recipes in it from all the chefs she knows and know her. There was a lot of promoting and lobbying to get that book into the Gourmand Cookbook Awards where it came second. Quite an achievement.
It is a very pretty book but not in Tenina's league in my opinion and is more of a collection rather than innovative recipe development.
Gert
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Well well well, this is a very interesting thread based on a recent email I have had….I am deeply disturbed that freedom of speech and business practice has extended to trying to block me specifically on FB and my FB page through which I clearly do a lot of business. I need FB to function, and clearly will have to turn to other means and go ‘underground’ to reach a certain percentage of the TMX popluation.
May I mention I will be doing work for Hot Mix Pro and will therefore be putting up some recipes, and info ON MY PERSONAL SITES AND SOCIAL NETWORKING pages, that of course are directly in competition with TMX, but I must make a living at what I do…and it will in no way affect what I am currently doing for the TMX machine (as opposed to brand) and all you wonderful TMX users who follow my work. BUT, working for fresh air hoping that I get thrown a crumb from the HO table is not going to work for me….I am moving on to another appliance because I must and let us all remember that loyalty is a two way street…and to date I have been shown absolutely none. (by the powers that be!) In all honesty, if I did not love the appliance, I would walk away today, shut everything down, and go concentrate on my other business. I am truly over the treatment I continue to receive at the hands of one certain person wielding massive influence, and who should go and continue to build her empire and simply leave me alone to carry on. I bear no malice, but I do rely on people such as GertBySea to keep me sane with her humour and no nonsense approach. May psuedonyms live on…may the consultants who want to follow me and attend my classes do so; under another name if needs be…(ridiculous to even write that, we are in Australia after all!) and most of all, may I be free to carry on my business on or off FB as I see fit. There are 2500 new TMX owners a month so surely there is room for me to sell a few books?
What are your thoughts my friends and foes??
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You know you have alot of supporters here tenina and its sad and petty what is going on but i think head office or not eventually people will get fed up from being told what to do especially as something so obviously petty as all this hooo haaa lol.. Hang in there and as far as other appliances im sure alot of peopke will continue to look to you for your opinion and recipes however please keep on developing books etc for thermie as the work you do is well above the competition 😊
An avid supporter 😉
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OK this is from a friend and a very supportive one.
I find it absolutely disgusting that people can be dictated to on their own facebook accounts. Obviously freedom of speech does not exist here. All the bits on facebook and elsewhere and even your great classes Tenina are another form of advertising for Thermomix. I can not for the life of me understand why they don't take all this wonderful free advertising and glory in the sales it is giving them. Thermomix receives millions of dollars of free advertising everytime one of us mentions this handy machine.
Love my Thermomix. :-* :-* :-* :-*Love Tenina :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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In this day and age, trying to have that much control over "sales staff" is inappropriate and very short sighted. I can just imagine what my sales staff would say to me if I tried to dictate what they could and couldn't "like" on facebook. The only rule we have is that they can't disparage our company or bad mouth our opposition or suppliers...which we regard as just polite business practice. It will be interesting to see what will happen in the future with more and more competitors coming into the market. I called into a kitchenware supply place today (unfortunately I had to go to a store rather then raiding our showroom....we don't sell cannoli tubes and my husband got addicted when we were in Venice two weeks ago :( ), and I saw the Thermochef live in their store. Talking to the sales lady, they have had a lot of interest.
I will be interested to see how Tenina goes with the Hot Mix.....looking at the information we have been given and the pricing, it looks like it could be a genuine competitor. I still haven't seen one live :(
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I would hazard a guess at jealousy and a little peeved that she is doing so well and is so good at what she does.. Some people whoever they may be really need to grow up and if helenes is also a no go zone that is pathetic.. These two fantadtic women do so much for the thermomix community... Pity that they cant just be apreciated for the work they do.. Better not get me started lol..😄😄😄😄
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OMG Tenina, I had heard from others that consultants have been told to unfriend you and the people I know have so far not done that. I am so sorry to learn that some have. Maybe we should all become more aware and more vocal and let HO know we do not approve. I know they are reading this thread as I write. They should also know that what goes on in HO will eventually be broadcast if not off this forum then on many others. Obviously they do not care about their reputation or the reputation of their consultants.
Shame on those consultants that unfriend Tenina or anyone else because of the pure vindictiveness of one person. It has nothing to do with Vorwerk business what people say on their FB pages . Anything that can sell the Thermomix and put money in Grace Mazures pocket should be welcomed.
No more photos in your classes Tenina or the consultants will become targets for the vendetta mistress.
You have done more than most to sell this machine and make really good cooking accessible to even the likes of me.
I have always supported the consultants unconditionally but I may have to rethink that. I was even dumped by my consultant like a hot potato after her almost begging me to help in a challenge. I was all set to be part of the "team" . We had spent some hours in my home working out a plan of action and cooking all the food. When she left here I never heard from her again. She even left her bits and pieces here that I was to bring on the night. I did not hold it against her as I knew that she had received "the phone call" . I was very disappointed though that she did not have the guts to phone me to tell me I was out of the team. In the end all the bits and pieces went to the Salvos.
Having said that I would still support what she does.
But the FB thing is something else all together. These consultants that are willing to be bullied should grow some I say. What would their children think?
Gertbysea
If the HotmixPro is equal,to the same tasks then let us know . More power to you.
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Tenina, I think this is absolutely disgusting! I honestly CANNOT believe it! Gobsmacked, speechless. However my conclusion is whoever runs the HO in Australia is at fault, and maybe their behaviour should be reported to Europe. Thermomix started in Europe, and is much much bigger in Europe, so maybe Europe should be aware of this bullying and manipulation. That's my opinion anyway! As for other robots matching Thx, in Europe for years there have been many launched but none can match nor compete! Best of luck, but I think its outrageous and should be reported!
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A very sad state of affairs and the underdog will always get the support of our forum members. Standover tactics will be the downfall of people who try it on. Gert you will find consultants will not want to appear in any photo taken at a Tenina class ;) Tenina, press on with what you are doing, you do it well as your classes/books prove. Of course you have to have more than one arrow in your bow and you are competent enough to have many in yours. You are lucky in that our forum doesn't tell people who they can be friendly with - we are free to choose our own here.
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Oh Tenina I feel for you having to deal with this kind of crap. What's the big deal anyway? You do a brilliant job and we are all behind you.
Thought you would like this ;D
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This sort of behaviour is unbelievable. I feel as if I've been transported back to primary school. The girls in the "cool" clique were so mean to the rest of us. However, go to the school reunion 20 years later and discover that the "uncool" kids are the ones with the successful careers and the happy lives. Aussies always support the underdogs.
I'm glad that I have a Thermo Chef.
I really enjoyed Tenia's cooking class, and her book is beautifully photographed and full of delicious recipes that really work. I often visit her website and drool over her recipes.
Life is just too short for this sort of pettiness
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I didn't understand when I first started reading, what was happening, but now I do.
What a shame, I know HO have some pretty big ideas on what their brand is, but I have to say, Tenina is probably the only Aussie out there with TMX recipes that are accessible.
I'm sorry, but having to purchase multiple cookbooks for an appliance is terrible, I've spent hundreds more on cook books, and I'm bitterly dissapointed in most of them. I find the tried and tested recipes on this forum are the ones I turn to everyday.
I can't believe a company would ask it's workers to 'unlike'' you Tenina, what a sad state of affairs :(
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All I can say is that if HO produced good cookbooks they would not be so upset with Tenina.
Yes Tenina is competition in the cookbook category, but she is also an avid promoter of the wonderful TMX. HO should be embracing Tenina and others like her. I tell you, if I knew that HO treated people like that, I would have had second thoughts on purchasing my TMX. I love my TMX and couldn't imagine life without it, but I do not support bullying of any kind. I for one have only purchased the Full Steam Ahead cookbook, and after looking through that and the EDC I have not bought another TMX HO branded one. They are over priced and their quality is second rate.
HO get your act together and produce better quality or less expensive items and perhaps I would be encouraged to buy from you.
A very upset DG xxx
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I have about 6 of Head Office cookbooks, and don't use them, and find the recipes on here work much better, and with reviews..
I find this very childish from Head Office, sounds like sour grapes.
Robyn
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I think the comments here about HO being just a little peeved about the success of Tenina's books are spot on. Quite frankly, if it wasnt for this forum and Tenina's book I would have abandoned my TMX a long time ago. The HO books now look extemely amateurish and I think they know it.
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OK this thread answers some confusion.
I went into HO this morning asking for Tenina's cookbook (oops) and could not understand why they didn't have it! They were very very nice about it but I wondered why they had the other one and not hers.
Right I get it now. Does anyone know how I can get Teninas book?
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Sure do. Just google For Food Sake, Tenina , cooking with Tenina you will get lots and lots of info .
Gert
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Sure do. Just google For Food Sake, Tenina , cooking with Tenina you will get lots and lots of info .
Gert
Thanks Gert :) x
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I agree with all of the above comments. The last contact with my consultant was her calling about the new book that is available to buy. I asked if she had seen Tenina's book, and she became very wary and hesitant. She said she hadn't, and was also not in favour of Tenina's business of selling that "other product" (Crio Brui) as it was "untested and unproven". Boo Hoo! When Grace first bought the TM out to Australia, it was untested and unproven in Australia - but look at it now. Totally sour grapes on HO part and I must say I always wondered why Tenina went there to work in the first place when she was already starting to make a name for herself from her website. The fact that they are behaving the way they are proves they hold a grudge for whatever reason. If they can't promote her book, or utilise her expertise in any way to enhance their own business they should just move on without bringing consultants private lives into question ie if they want to buy a non-Vorwerk endorsed book or attend Tenina's classes. More fool the consultants who follow their instructions like sheep for fear of losing favour with HO - stand up for your rights, and don't bow down to unreasonable/unethical standover tactics. Its a kitchen machine in the middle of all this, not an machine gun for use in shooting people down.
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Who cares if Crio Bru is untested and unproven. If you like it use it.
As you say CP the TMX was the same to Australians.
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I can't believe what I am reading. What happened to a 'fair go' for all? Tenina is entitled to run her own business and bullying from previous employers is not on. Just as well you are a strong woman Tenina. I will continue to support you and I am grateful for this forum, for I have used far more recipes off this, than any from Ho recipe books.
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Wouldn't it be nice if Vorwerk could see it's way to getting a second distributor in Australia?
Gert
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Hmmm depends on the contract clauses with Perth HO...if only...
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I have often wondered how there ended up being 2 distributors in Canada and how that works ...
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I echo what everyone has said about the bullying tactics of HO and a certain person. It's very unfair.....they've already made millions ....how much more does she want?
I think a second distributor would be great and have often thought it is needed.
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Am I missing something.....?
HO is concerned about cookbook competition, when Tenina's business is effectively promoting the tmx, which can be only purchased from one distributor in Australia?
Petty.....
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Am I missing something.....?
HO is concerned about cookbook competition, when Tenina's business is effectively promoting the tmx, which can be only purchased from one distributor in Australia?
Petty.....
It certainly seems counter-productive to me.
I "Liked" Tenina's site and "Friended" her on Facebook. Haven't got a response but it's early days yet.
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This was just last year . . . .so what happened in the meantime to cause all this angst?? (sorry - don't know how to quote from one thread to another . .)
"Hi guys,
not sure if it rates a whole thread, but thought I would let you all know I have left Thermomix Australia and although I will be consulting back to both Thermomix and Vorwerk periodically, I will actually be pursuing my own business running advanced Thermomix cooking classes in Perth initially, but hoping to bring them to a city near you depending on demand.
I recognise the gap in the market with what is provided by HO and so that is what I aim to fill, I hope to get support from all and sundry. I have had great feedback so far and as you can imagine, it was a tough decision…fingers crossed, so far so good!
I have Grace's blessing which was very important to me, so you should expect to hear about the classes through the normal channels of Thermomix, but if not, they will certainly be on https://www.facebook.com/cookingwithtenina and also my new website that is still under construction at www.cookingwithtenina.com. My original (and the best) blog will still operate as usual, and my recipes will still come churning out!
I am looking forward to some exciting times ahead, and hope to finally meet a whole lot of you!
XX Tenina"
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Tenina was a tad too optimistic about the blessing, especially as she has become so successful and is all but The Thermomix Queen.
Mirror Mirror?
Gert
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I was just talking to DH about this. He strongly suggests that a couple of consultants/ people who have been spoken to directly regarding not 'liking', referring to, linking to, etc, should get together and send a lawyers letter to Aus HQ regarding the illegality of preventing free speech and using intimidation. He suggests that a copy of the letter be sent to Vorwerk in Germany who would surely want to know about this.
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Surely having non-HO cookbooks would actually help Thermomix to sell more thermomixes, and get the word out more. At the couple of demos I went to some people weren't overly impressed on the cookbooks available, so knowing there are other options may sway them to buying a thermomix.
I downloaded Tenina's app before receiving my thermomix (I had gone to the app store looking for the Thermomix one after demonstrator recommended it ). When the demonstrator asked if I had download the TM app, I said no I didn't like the look of it but had downloaded Tenina's. I got a spell about how Tenina use to work for TM but then sold out for sponsorship and money. It didn't stop me from telling others about it at the demo I was at...
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Oh and this forum and blogs like Tenina's are the reason I'm so happy with my TMX. If I didn't have these resources I would have given up on my TMX.
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Good on you Spector,
It's ridiculous really. I can't believe anyone would really worry about it. It's great to have others out there producing some great TM recipe books for all us TM owners to benefit from. :)
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Yes quite ridiculous really. Most companies encourage other companies that support their product, e.g Apple iPhones and all the covers etc from other companies, that Apple stock in their stores. They know it will enhance people's experiences.
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I was just talking to DH about this. He strongly suggests that a couple of consultants/ people who have been spoken to directly regarding not 'liking', referring to, linking to, etc, should get together and send a lawyers letter to Aus HQ regarding the illegality of preventing free speech and using intimidation. He suggests that a copy of the letter be sent to Vorwerk in Germany who would surely want to know about this.
I agree but the consultants could then kiss their job goodbye.
Surely having non-HO cookbooks would actually help Thermomix to sell more thermomixes, and get the word out more. At the couple of demos I went to some people weren't overly impressed on the cookbooks available, so knowing there are other options may sway them to buying a thermomix.
I downloaded Tenina's app before receiving my thermomix (I had gone to the app store looking for the Thermomix one after demonstrator recommended it ). When the demonstrator asked if I had download the TM app, I said no I didn't like the look of it but had downloaded Tenina's. I got a spell about how Tenina use to work for TM but then sold out for sponsorship and money. It didn't stop me from telling others about it at the demo I was at...
That consultant should keep her mouth shut as she has no idea. There is a perfect example of HO spreading lies about Tenina. i applaud Tenina for striking out on her own. Nothing wrong with being talented and ambitious. Why is it that some women cannot support other women?
Good on you spektor for supporting Tenina's app.
Gert
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My consultant brought Tenina's 'Dinner Spinner' book to my Varoma demo, along with Alyce Alexandra's QFITT. Guess she won't be doing that anymore..... ???. She became a consultant because she loves her TMX and loves playing with it, so she's open to anything that will help her do that, and I'm sure she's not the only one. Might put some people off becoming consultants.
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omg im shocked!! but i love a good bit of scandal!
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Sold out? Urrmm you dont leave a job for something worse so kind of normal tenina was looking for 'the next step' .. Lol
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Yes quite ridiculous really. Most companies encourage other companies that support their product, e.g Apple iPhones and all the covers etc from other companies, that Apple stock in their stores. They know it will enhance people's experiences.
You are so right on. Apple was doing very, very well but after "releasing" the iPhone to Verizon, sales increased exponentially. Also, although it isn't an Apple thing, the sales associates in the Verizon stores have (to me) been much more helpful and less "pushy" than the ones in the AT&T stores.
I went to the AT&T store here in Lancaster before Verizon was carrying the iPhone and was pretty much given the brush off. The young woman that I spoke to seemed very dismissive, in fact she suggested that the iPhone might be too complicated for someone my age to understand...
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Oh andie How rude... I know a number of members of our older global community who have adapted extremely well to each and every new piece of tech that comes out during their lifetime.. I have found many are far more apt than others half their age.. Those that seek new tech...i find people like her very annoying ... Assuming people are a certain way and judging them..
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When your hair is as grey as andi and mine you will experience it a lot. Too funny when the young ones think your are deaf and stupid. I just play really dumb and really deaf just to take the pi**. Us oldies have to have some fun.
Gert
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I'm a dedicated techie. I've had computers since they first became available for homes. I've had cell phones since the earliest (big clunky thing) were available, even with limited range and I got the first Motorola Flip Phone.
I'm not the only one who has had this experience at an AT&T store - one friend who went in specifically to get an iPhone became annoyed when the rep tried to push another brand of phone, telling her that the iPhone was having a lot of connection problems - which it did when it was first introduced because of the volume of people buying them, but this was two months later.
She finally left the store and only got an iPhone when Verizon began selling them.
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Andie & Gretchen - don't these people realise who they are talking to ??? Now if it was me in that store, that's another matter - I fit the image beautifully ;)
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Haha Jd your a lot more techie than you realise :D :-*
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oh my i have missed out on some drama!! i have been away from the forum of late and can't believe what i missed. how incredibly ridiculous.. don't tm realise that people who hear about teninas recipes and haven't purchased one as yet, most likely will and they will have to buy them from tm hq!!
tenina you will continue to have my support, i am planning on getting your new cookbook and love dinner spinner. i am glad that i am no longer a consultant i could not and would not take nicely to this kind of bullying and unfair treatment of such a talented and lovely lady.
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I'm a dedicated techie.
Andie, stop right there. You are. What you don't know is not worth knowing.
When DH and I went to renew our phone contract recently, I had an iPhone. The phone consultant said anything was better than an iPhone. We both went to Motorola android upon the suggestion of the consultant. We are basically quite happy with that decision because we don't download any apps, so there is no real impact.
(but hello, I would download a TM app in a wink if I could, but I can't because they are all iRelated)
However, DH wants to upgrade his laptop cos he does FIFO and also has a business that he runs on the side. Needs to be able to type emails, and probably have the ability to watch a film/DVD whilst on a plane. JB HiFi have said an Asus tablet is the way to go as it also has a keyboard thingymejig, and not to go with the iPad. DS is a salesperson and says they are just saying that because they are paid on incentive to sell more of another brand. I only seem to hear a lot of positive things about the iPad or iThingys so would be interested to hear from other iCustomers.
(had to check what topic I was writing under after this essay, and its only relevant cos Facebook/computers is mentioned...!)
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I have several i thingys lol but cant comment on a business perspective only a personal one.. I have found the possibilities are endless and all new apps etc are i thingy first then always others at a later date.. I hate waiting...since i have had apple products dont think i would bother going back to non apple but it depends on what your using them for..i would definately not listen to any sales people as like you said they have much better margins fir ske etc on non apple products and i know here they arent allowed to put any apples on promo etc or cut prices as they are fixed.. Part of their contract with stores apparently unless it comes from apple..
I find searching forums for comments from consumers much more beneficial information on a product than any sales person out their as its far more honest..
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Yup you are right about sales people who earn commissions from certain products. Added incentives ditto. My I pad was my first Apple product and I was gobsmacked. I am waiting for my phone to die so I can justify an iPhone. I bought the new iPad when it came out and gave my iPad 2 to my DH. My daughter's partner runs his Estate business with his iPhone and iPad. I rarely use my laptop and haven't touched my desktop in over a year.
The only thing I really hate about the iPad is that it does not support adobe flash.
Gert
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CP,
I love my iPhone and iPad. I've never been really techie, but since I upgraded from my basic prepaid Nokia to my iPhone I haven't looked back. I use it to take photos, I've abandoned my paper diary and use the calendar function to keep track of all the things I am supposed to be doing, I read my emails, surf the web and read this forum. I,m addicted to playing Words with Friends. And I can make calls on it too.
Last year we bought a laptop for the kids for school and my DH bought an iPad for himself. The kids hardly touched the laptop, and everyone queued up to use the iPad. We gave the laptop to my BIL, as his had broken and ours hardly got used. It took the kids about 3 weeks to realise that the laptop was gone. My DH got frustrated at not being able to use the iPad because one of the kids was on it or I was cooking dinner from it, that he went out an bought another one.
I have downloaded Tapatalk and now it is so easy to read the forum and post up photos. The camera in the ipad3 is really good - I keep pinching my DH 's iPad to post photos on the forum, so he's threatening to buy another one. I rarely use the computer at home these days. The iPad does almost all I need. I can read books on it too. When we go on holidays, we tether it to our phones as we can use the Internet on the iPad then. My dad bought one so that he could Skype us when he went overseas, and my mother keeps using it too. She has trouble using the computer, but finds the iPad really intuitive.
Sometimes I get frustrated at the autocorrect function, (I could turn it off) and sometimes the lack of a mouse when you want to edit text is frustrating. I love the fact that you can turn it sideways and get a larger keypad so that you can touch type on your lap.
I have copied recipes that I want to make in Evernote, and I use the iPad as a recipe book as I cook. I couldn't imagine life without it now.
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wow - what an interesting post!
I think people some people in HO clearly need to take a step back....this is a kitchen appliance - a bloody good one - but just an appliance. Get a grip and grow up, people will 'like' who they want and follow who they want. There's nothing i hate more than going into a shop and listening to them bag out a competitor (almost as bad as listening to our politicians bag each other!). The only thing it compels me to do is take my money elsewhere.
The service I have had from dealing with both Tenina and Helene has been fantastic - both ladies are working very hard to make a business and a living for themselves.
All I can say is rise above it - even if you don't make as much money as other people, at least you can sleep at night knowing you conduct yourself in a professional, enthusiastic manner.
You have my 100% support :)
***rant is over!***
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One of the guys in my computer club, who is in with some of the gurus in Cupertino, says that there have been hints that there will be a pocket-sized scanner for an iPad future generation, with OCR (optical character recognition for text) so printed articles can be scanned as well as photos (not large ones).
There are already a couple of apps, not 100% effective yet, that enable a bluetooth barcode scanner for the iPad - for taking inventory. It does require the use of an external hard drive because of memory constraints (time not volume).
According to my friend, this is being formulated at the request of university post-grad students who need to do a lot of research in old documents that are nowhere available other than in print.
Isn't it fantastic to be alive in the 21st century when all these things that were only speculated about when we were children are available for us to own and play with? I remember reading Dick Tracy comics in the 1940s when a wrist radio was a total fantasy.