Thx mcmich.. The red handbag was very interesting purchase as we had been to florencecnd the marketscand i was gretkyndisappointed.. Alot of crap for sale.. Anyway an italian friend said there is a town nearby to where we were staying that had a heap of leather or tanning factories and some sold leather gods o we wnt on a hunt to see hat we could find.. No outlets in sight just lot of very stinky factories o dh asked some orkers here you can buy goods made on site and off we went but were shocked to be taken from reception through the factory nd up some staits all over te lace up into a caged area like a mini personal shop lol and thats where i got the red handbag nd wallet..was an experience and lovett dh speaks italian and french and english.. Must keep him lol