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Title: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: Thermomixer on May 03, 2009, 11:13:09 pm
This was posted after rave reviews in Spain and Italy - BUT be warned that it may cause serious damage - check out the following warning from Steve at TMX HQ in Perth

STEVE'S WARNING POST (http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=940.msg31460#msg31460)


IF YOU SEE THE RECIPE ELSEWHERE THEN YOU WILL KNOW TO AVOID IT.




Dishwasher Soap
Makes 1 litre
Ingredients
3 lemons - cut into quarters or eighths
200g rock salt
1 MC white wine vinegar
1 MC water
1/2 MC blue rinse aid for dishwashers

DO NOT MAKE THIS IF YOU WISH TO KEEP YOUR TMX FUNCTIONING PROPERLY



Title: Re: FATAL Dishwasher Liquid Soap
Post by: Rowyfo on May 06, 2009, 02:19:20 am
I made this last night. I don't usually use the dishwasher but was inspired to after this!

Everything has come out shiny and clean and smelling non-offensive. TM looks good too :D 2 Thumbs up Bron, thanks!!
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: CarolineW on May 06, 2009, 12:04:27 pm
Looks good Bron, I'm going to give it a go.  I don't have any rinse aid in stock though, as I always use white vinegar as the rinse aid.  So maybe I'll try it with all vinegar?
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: judydawn on May 06, 2009, 12:17:50 pm
I thought the same thing as you Caroline as I also used vinegar as a rinse aid (use it in the washing machine too instead of softener) so it will be interesting to see how it goes with all vinegar.  I actually went out and bought some blue rinse aid to follow the recipe to a T but will revert back to all vinegar if it goes OK for you.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Rowyfo on May 06, 2009, 01:51:57 pm
The rinse aid I bought was like $1.50. :) And it looks like enough to make at least 4 batches.

I am about to unload the dishwasher again and see how it went this evening :)
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: judydawn on May 06, 2009, 01:58:12 pm
What a bargain Rowyfo - I paid almost $5 for mine!  An enjo rep once told us that vinegar in the dishwasher and washing machine would help keep the internals nice and clean with no build up so I have been using it for many years now instead of rinse aid and fabric softener.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: I Love Bimby! on May 06, 2009, 03:54:34 pm
What a bargain Rowyfo - I paid almost $5 for mine!  An enjo rep once told us that vinegar in the dishwasher and washing machine would help keep the internals nice and clean with no build up so I have been using it for many years now instead of rinse aid and fabric softener.

That's great to know judydawn - i never use softener or rinse aid (is that bad???) - but I'll add some vinegar now.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: judydawn on May 07, 2009, 02:56:42 am
And did you know ;D that you can double the amount of your vinegar for free!  I read it somewhere so tried it.  I only buy the generic brand 1 litre bottles of vinegar for the washing machine, tip half out into another bottle, fill both up with water, leave a few days and you will have pure vinegar again.  Don't know how this works but I do it - 2 litres for the price of 1. 
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: I Love Bimby! on May 07, 2009, 06:33:29 am
What a total wealth of knowledge everyone brings - how amazing!

Thank you!
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: judydawn on May 07, 2009, 12:26:31 pm
I gave my DD a smell of Bron's dishwasher liquid today and she said "OMG I could wash my hair in that!"  You wouldn't by chance happen to have a shampoo recipe would you Bron :P :P :P :P :P :P  And what about one for the washing machine!!
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: I Love Bimby! on May 07, 2009, 01:04:07 pm
Hi just recently picked up a book on making skin care items out of plant based ingredients - although I haven't had a chance to try and convert any of them, but some look simple enough.
When I get to it I'll post them.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: CarolineW on May 07, 2009, 03:39:24 pm
Really looking forward to that, I Love Bimby.  I really want to start making more of my own stuff.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: bron on May 07, 2009, 03:55:34 pm
You have made me laugh out load, my DD asked me whats so funny!!! I can imagine your DD wanting to put in on her hair...how funny!!!

Actually, there is one somewhere for washing machine liquid soap, will check it out and get back to you all!
Should we have a thread maybe for non edible things maybe? Bit scared someone might try it and eat it!
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Rowyfo on May 08, 2009, 01:02:09 am
I would love to see more recipes like this!! I'll see what is in my files ;)

And about the vinegar, that is strange but cool. I will remember that tip.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: I Love Bimby! on May 08, 2009, 09:13:06 am
And did you know ;D that you can double the amount of your vinegar for free!  I read it somewhere so tried it.  I only buy the generic brand 1 litre bottles of vinegar for the washing machine, tip half out into another bottle, fill both up with water, leave a few days and you will have pure vinegar again.  Don't know how this works but I do it - 2 litres for the price of 1. 
How's this - today while I was out and about trying to get some last minute numbers for tomorrows class and picking up a few odd bits and pieces I stopped in at the Milawa Olive Shop (if you come to NE Vic please let me know and I'll point you towards some fantastic places) and in there they had VINEGAR CULTURE or "MOTHER" that you can re-use over and over again to make your own!  Add red wine and make red wine vinegar etc.... I was blown away, especially after our little chat about it.

So there you go!  ;D
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: judydawn on May 08, 2009, 09:23:53 am
Funny how those coincidents happen.  Have you lived in that area for long or only since starting out on your own again.  Good luck for tomorrow - can't wait to hear all about it.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: bron on May 09, 2009, 07:01:08 pm
I have read today that this is pretty concentrated and really it only need a teaspoon per wash, otherwise plates and glasses lose their shine! So only use one teaspoon, will edit recipe! ;)
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: bron on May 09, 2009, 07:02:40 pm
Can't edit it, maybe Thermomixer can kindly change the three tablespoons to one teaspoon, please.......... :-* :-*
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: I Love Bimby! on May 10, 2009, 12:48:36 pm
Funny how those coincidents happen.  Have you lived in that area for long or only since starting out on your own again.  Good luck for tomorrow - can't wait to hear all about it.

Actually judydawn I've lived here in the area my whole life.  XH moved up here from Melbourne and I met him soon after. 

The Milawa Olive Shop where I purchased the "Mother" is about a 3 minute walk from my "work" (TMX is my hobby) Brown Brothers Winery - where I have been working for 10 1/2 years!!!  (that's a lot when I'm just about to turn 31!)  But I think the culture is a new addition - certainly didn't see it about a month ago when I went for a walk down there with a collegue from work during our lunch break.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: faffa_70 on May 10, 2009, 03:29:14 pm
I don't know why ours is green, but its a real old fashioned soap, no smell, leaves your hands soft too! In fact most dermatologists recommend its use when people have sensitive skin or chicken pox!
Will post the recipe as soon as I make it, tomorrow when I get to the shops to buy it.
Ps. Have read that the dishwasher detergent is wonderful for cleaning the bath, sink and loo, will have to make some more to keep it myself! ;D

Lol I was just wondering myself this morning when I was having a shower if the dishwasher detergent would make a great cleaner for the bathroom - I was thinking about trying it...now I definitely will thanks Bron


Thought I would just post this as an update!
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: judydawn on May 12, 2009, 09:50:31 am
Hi Bron, have tried the lesser amount of dishwashing detergent and it worked fine.  Actually the plates did come out with more of a shine than the previous times but as I have only been using my everyday crockery lately, no harm done.  I see the recipe hasn't been changed by Thermomixer or someone else capable of doing it. I haven't had a really greasy wash with it either so it will be interesting to see how that goes.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Rowyfo on May 12, 2009, 01:41:42 pm
I cleaned the bathroom and the toilet bowl with it :) It gave everything a nice clean and a good shine on the taps, but did leave bits of lemon everywhere that needed extra attention to remove. Of course this wasn't a problem in the toilet bowl :)
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Thermomixer on May 13, 2009, 11:39:11 pm
And did you know ;D that you can double the amount of your vinegar for free!  I read it somewhere so tried it.  I only buy the generic brand 1 litre bottles of vinegar for the washing machine, tip half out into another bottle, fill both up with water, leave a few days and you will have pure vinegar again.  Don't know how this works but I do it - 2 litres for the price of 1. 
How's this - today while I was out and about trying to get some last minute numbers for tomorrows class and picking up a few odd bits and pieces I stopped in at the Milawa Olive Shop (if you come to NE Vic please let me know and I'll point you towards some fantastic places) and in there they had VINEGAR CULTURE or "MOTHER" that you can re-use over and over again to make your own!  Add red wine and make red wine vinegar etc.... I was blown away, especially after our little chat about it.

So there you go!  ;D

Yes, best with wine vinegars to start,  add wine to the last bit (the manky, slimy bit in the bottom) - white wine from a cask is OK and the mother culture makes more -if you are not eating it then it will be fine.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Thermomixer on May 13, 2009, 11:43:53 pm
Can't edit it, maybe Thermomixer can kindly change the three tablespoons to one teaspoon, please.......... :-* :-*

Done ...
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: bron on May 13, 2009, 11:47:19 pm
 :-* :-* :-* Thanks!
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: CarolineW on May 15, 2009, 10:18:00 am
Apparently you can make vinegar out of wine by using some unpasturised apple vinegar.  I was emailing with a chap I met via another forum about the various things you can do with Ginger Beer Plant (home made, healthy fizzy drinks), and he told me that he makes all his own vinegars.  I'll look out his email on how to do it, if anyone's interested.  I'm planning to do it next month when things have warmed up a bit more - he said it works best in the summer.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Thermomixer on May 15, 2009, 02:09:55 pm
That would be good - used to make ginger beer - haven't done for ages.

We don't eat enough bread to keep the sourdough stater going either  :( :(
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: CarolineW on May 20, 2009, 09:43:24 am
That would be good - used to make ginger beer - haven't done for ages.

I've pretty much just copied and pasted the email I got, just changed the odd word and took a couple of sentences out so it made sense out of context  :D

"To make your own cider vinegar you just need a bottle of non-pasteurised vinegar without any preservative, it’s quite easy to come by these days. Check the labels on the bottle. Holland and Barret do a couple, and I think Aspels do one. Even Sarson’s do one. The big guarantee is when it says ‘May form a precipitate/sediment after storing’ then you KNOW it’s live. Then you just mix it one part vinegar to two parts 6% cider, if you can’t get 6% use what you can (but don’t use it for pickling unless the cider was 6% or more), again no preservative, but as long as the cider isn’t sulphury it will be fine. Shake the bottle and sniff to make sure. I don’t even check anymore but I use a good quality cider, again Aspell’s is good. There’s nothing quite like cider vinegar. I’m making Cabernet Sauvignon vinegar at the moment. Everyone is going on about how good it is so I thought I’d make some and see. One part vinegar one part 14% wine and one part chlorine free water. Put it in a jar and leave it to turn. Taste it every week until it’s as strong as the starter vinegar was. Summer’s the best time for making vinegar when it’s warm, use a dark cupboard"

If anyone's in the UK or Europe, and wants to get Ginger Beer Plant, Kombucha (a healthy tea brew thingie), sour dough starter or kefir starter, you can get it from Jim at http://gingerbeerplant.net/ (http://gingerbeerplant.net/).  He's the guy who wrote the email, from which we now all know how to make our own vinegar  ;D  Thanks, Jim!
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Thermomixer on May 20, 2009, 11:36:57 am
Ta muchly.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: kaoss on June 05, 2009, 09:34:16 am
I tried the dishwasher detergent recipe and I think it is great. ;D I did have a little bit of lemony residue left in the powder dispenser (I've used it twice now and this happened both time) but it didn't effect the dishes inside which were all clean. Smelled nice too :)

I've made a batch with vinegar instead of the rinse aid (I use vinegar instead of rinse aid in the dishwasher) but haven't tried it yet. I'll let you know how that one goes.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Thermomixer on June 05, 2009, 09:38:46 am
Thanks for the report --- and welcome to the Forum  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Nay-nay on June 17, 2009, 04:02:40 am
Can I Ask?? - How did this go with just the vinegar and No rinse aid??? And do you have to use white wine vinegar or is normal white vinegar OK?? - Still waiting for for thermomixer to be delivered but when it comes would like to give this a burl. Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: brazen20au on June 17, 2009, 04:18:57 am
Aussies anyone know where i can buy ammonia (bunnings??) - my local woollies didn't have it and said they haven't had it in in ages and aren't expecting to any time soon.

also, glycerine is at the chemist right???

was trying to buy everything to make the hand soap, dishwasher and laundry liquid, without much success!!!!
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: judydawn on June 17, 2009, 08:01:22 am
Foodland has cloudy ammonia amongst the cleaning items Karen.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Thermomixer on June 17, 2009, 08:32:31 am
Glycerine may be in the "Baking Needs" or "Health" section of the supermarkets, otherwise at the chemist.

Cloudy ammonia was at our local Coles with a No-Name label, but should definitely be in the cleaning section at Bunnings.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: brazen20au on June 17, 2009, 08:39:55 am
we don't have foodland here unfrotunately judy.

thanks tmxr, will check coles or bunnings. brave that stinky cleaning aisle again (hate it)
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: CarolineW on August 26, 2009, 10:35:52 pm
Have held off making this until I had time to research the effect of the salt on the dishwasher.  There was a heated debate on it on a German thread, which is what made me check it out.  As far as I can find, so long as normal salt doesn't go into the 'salt' section of the dishwasher, and dishwasher salt doesn't go into the 'detergent' section of the dishwasher, everything is absolutely fine.  In fact, many of these 4-in-1 tablets include salt.  So I now know that this recipe is, in effect, a 5-in-1 (similar to Finish).  So there you go, a top of the range detergent (even if not in convenient tablet form) for a fraction of the price and environmental impact.

I've had the rinse aid sat in the cupboard ready to make this for some time, but it was waiting on my doing the salt research.  I plan to make it in the next few days.  My next batch I intend to try with vinegar, and see if there's a difference.  I don't see why there should be, but then I would never know if I hadn't tried the original way first, would I?  :)

Has anyone else already tried the white vinegar route to compare?
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Meagan on August 27, 2009, 08:00:05 am
Do you think it would matter whether the rinse aid is blue or yellow? I have some yellow sitting in the cupboard  ;D
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: I Love Bimby! on August 27, 2009, 12:46:26 pm
I used Vinegar instead of rinseaid. The only thing is that when I was the decor containers and wine glasses in the dishwasher, they are left with a film over them. It's not a big issue for me, I just make sure I had wash those items.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: gertbysea on September 05, 2009, 02:44:13 am
I finally got around to making this but when I used it the first time in my dishwasher it crazed my beer glasses. I was glad I didn't have my Riedels in there. I will still use it but nor for glasses. Love the smell and it is good for just washing up in the sink too.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: judydawn on September 05, 2009, 02:52:28 am
I've been having mixed success with this one.  I have been having to rinse things before putting in the dishwasher (I keep a bucket of water in the sink for that process) but it worries me with all that salt, especially on good crystal etc because isn't salt a cutting compound? I only use it perhaps once in every 3 times these days, depending on what is in the dishwasher.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: gertbysea on September 05, 2009, 03:59:17 am
Wise move I think Judy.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: alioop on September 05, 2009, 08:39:50 am
I've been having mixed success with this one.  I have been having to rinse things before putting in the dishwasher (I keep a bucket of water in the sink for that process) but it worries me with all that salt, especially on good crystal etc because isn't salt a cutting compound? I only use it perhaps once in every 3 times these days, depending on what is in the dishwasher.

Yes, I was keen to use this as well JD but am also having mixed success.  Unfortunately, my dishwasher doesn't like it (no not my husband, my machine  ;D ;)).  I tried straining it to remove some of the last remaining lemon "bits", but my diswasher kept beeping when it was draining that the filter thingies were blocked! (I have a mid-range LG dishwasher).  Doh!! - that could have really saved me some money!  Have gone back to the old "no label" cheap powder which does the trick.
Ali
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: faffa_70 on September 06, 2009, 04:25:23 am
Ali, I thought I was the only one having this problem!! I have posted somewhere on this forum that I was having that problem and thought it was MY machine (a Whirlpool). Do we have another thread about this?? Off to have a look. Unfortunately I have had to stop using it as it results in a service call for my machine  >:( :'(
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: faffa_70 on September 06, 2009, 04:32:19 am
lol found it

If you have an enclosed heating element, then it is ok on the bottom (nothing gets melted when it is enclosed I can vouch for that  :-)) ) I love the dishwasher goo but my dishwasher doesn't so we have to alternate. My dishwasher is very sensitive (NEVER recommend it >:() and if I do too many goo loads in succession it has a hissy fit and claims that it is blocked up and dirty and won't work (actually is a service call to get fixed  :-)) but I have a fantastic service man who showed me how to fix it lol) still very annoying  :(

was here on this thread about bowls etc going in the dishwasher   http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=1287.0  (http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=1287.0)

We don't use it at all now as it was requiring us to "fix it"  too often that it became time consuming  :(
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: alioop on September 06, 2009, 04:52:47 am
You have such a good memory Kathryn  :).  Now I recall that thread but must have put it out of my mind as I always hand-wash all my TM parts (use it too often to let it sit in dishw all day ;D).  That was early July and I hadn't tried the goop at that stage I don't think, but there doesn't seem to be many others having problems - do you think if we cooked the goop longer/used less lemons/made it thinner it would work???  I haven't got any lemons left at the moment anyway, so will likely stick to the bought powder for now.  Bit disappointed though - really liked the idea & wanted it to work.  At least the washing machine goop is going well for me....which reminds me, I need to do another batch!!
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: faffa_70 on September 06, 2009, 05:01:03 am
Ali I have tried cooking it for longer, blitzing the lemons before adding the salt and then blitzing them all together for longer and also making it thinner in desperation to keep using this with no success  ??? ??? I didn't try less lemons...

Like you thank goodness the washing machine goo is super fantastic!!
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: alioop on September 06, 2009, 05:18:20 am
Yes, and thanks for your suggestion Kathryn (I think it was yours) to put washing machine goop in 1ltr sauce bottles from Coles as I have these ready for when I do my new batch of goo!  I'm going to try it with bicarb and will post if turns out ok :)
Ali
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: CarolineW on September 06, 2009, 05:54:53 pm
Finally tried it, using the rinse aid I bought to make it with (looked blue as blue container, but was actually clear.  I'm sure it doesn't matter what colour it is really)

It works fantastically on my pots, but leaves little bits of lemon on my glasses.  They're also a bit cloudy, but they seem to be no matter what I use, to be honest.  We've decided that we don't mind the tiny bits of lemon when it's us using them, but we'd hand wash them before giving guests a drink in them  ;D

I think what I'll do, in light of some of the recent posts, is use a batch, then use a batch of powder to give my machine a rest, then do another batch, and go on like that.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: faffa_70 on September 07, 2009, 02:57:39 am
Yes, and thanks for your suggestion Kathryn (I think it was yours) to put washing machine goop in 1ltr sauce bottles from Coles as I have these ready for when I do my new batch of goo!  I'm going to try it with bicarb and will post if turns out ok :)
Ali

Will be interested to hear how it turns out with bi carb as I have some customers who need it to be grey water friendly and amonia isn't. I also need to research if washing soda is and I think also borax .... Shannon if you are around is this what you use? I can't lay my hands to your recipe ATM  ??? ???
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: I Love Bimby! on September 07, 2009, 02:18:03 pm
Faffa - I just substitute the rinse aid for more vinegar. It works fine, except for some cloudyness on clear containers and would hand wash good glasses etc.

I have an old machine, and since I've started making this, it's all I use and it goes fine. Must be the more modern ones that are more sensitive.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: faffa_70 on September 07, 2009, 02:51:33 pm
To be honest ILB I think it is my machine...I have had so many problems with it  :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) - I had also tried the vinegar and was sticking to that as I already have it in my pantry  ;)
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Meagan on September 07, 2009, 03:32:21 pm
I have a (fairly old dishwasher) a Simpson silencio  :-)) (certainly not silent lol) anyway the dishwasher soap worked a treat in it tonight..........
It would be really interesting to find out who it works for and who it doesn't and what brand of machine they have......can you do polls on this forum? I wonder also if it is the water where people live too??
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on September 08, 2009, 04:24:05 am
I found it easy to make, cheap and workable in my machine.  I'm not overly happy with the results though and probably won't make it again for that reason.  I don't mind cloudy glasses, but I find I have to scrub some cutlery and pots that I normally wouldn't have to with my generic brand dishwasher tablets (which I break in half so they go further).  A good experiment though - you have to try these things.  :)
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Shayla on September 09, 2009, 12:23:44 am
Anyone had any experience with A Miele dishwaher - i have one on order for my new kitchen.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: CarolineW on September 09, 2009, 09:13:46 am
My dishwasher is a Bosch Classixx.  Not that thrilled with it, to be honest.  This recipe works well with it, except for the glasses (cloudy, with some little bits of lemon on.  Mind you, they tend to be cloudy no matter what I use in this dishwasher!) and I have now found that the tea mugs are starting to get stained inside.  That's a new one to us.  I think I might try adding washing soda, as I know that can be used in dishwashers too.

I didn't know that Mile made dishwashers when I bought this one, wish I had.  I love their washing machines.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Shayla on September 09, 2009, 09:21:09 am
The Miele dishwasher is very quiet - my SIL has one and you cannot hear it at all. Miele definitely have the best appliances - I compromised on my cupboards to have all new Miele appliances in the kitchen. I already have the washing machine which is marvellous. Miele even come and install the appliances themselves so you know it is done properly!
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: CreamPuff63 on November 20, 2009, 04:04:38 pm
Sorry to report that this is not to my liking. I think that if it wasn't for the dishwasher having hot water our dishes would not have been washed at all. There were bits of lemon fibre over the top part of the DW, and cutlery and certain dishes were stuck with food. By about the 3rd wash I was convinced that nothing was happening because of the mixture. Will be throwing it out. Good cheap experiment to try though.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on November 21, 2009, 03:19:39 am
I felt the same way CP and was getting frustrated at having to wash the cutlery each morning.  I went back to using dishwasher tabs though and have upset our septic system.  You just can't win sometimes!
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: gertbysea on November 21, 2009, 10:16:16 pm
I felt the same way CP and was getting frustrated at having to wash the cutlery each morning.  I went back to using dishwasher tabs though and have upset our septic system.  You just can't win sometimes!

I was told by a dishwasher techinician never to use a whole dishwasher tab and never never  use the blue ball thing. I get my DH to cut the cheapest tabs in half and have not had a problem since. I didn't throw my mix out  but use it occassionally for some hand  dish washing.

Gretchen
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: judydawn on November 21, 2009, 11:50:32 pm
I've had mixed success with the dishwashing mixture.  Great at first then it didn't seem to work as well and I was having to rewash some items.  I have a Fischer Paykel 2 drawer which I absolutely love as with only 2 people in this household, I can do a small load every day (or more when I'm having a cookoff).  Have gone back to the powder (they don't recommend the tablets for this dishwasher) and now use the homemade stuff to clean the sink, bath etc.  It is so cheap to make when you can get your hands on free lemons (we have a neighbour's tree growing over our fence that keeps us supplied) and I use cheap vinegar instead of buying expensive rinse aid. 
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on November 22, 2009, 07:32:13 am
I was told by a dishwasher techinician never to use a whole dishwasher tab and never never  use the blue ball thing. I get my DH to cut the cheapest tabs in half and have not had a problem since. I didn't throw my mix out  but use it occassionally for some hand  dish washing.

Gretchen

That's interesting.  I've been breaking my homebrand ones in half but just to save money.  They still do an excellent job (except with the septic of course  ;)).   
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Meagan on November 22, 2009, 01:18:13 pm
I only use our liquid every 3rd wash or so and when the dishwasher isn't packed full. Shame it doesn't work every time as it would save a heap of money!! I also use it for washing dishes by hand some times.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: CarolineW on November 26, 2009, 12:42:27 pm
I just realised that I never reported back on trying washing soda / soda crystals in conjunction with the dishwasher soap.  It worked really well.  The only thing which still wasn't perfect was the tea stained mugs, which we sprayed with vinegar and left to sit for a while before washing them about once per week.  We didn't really mind doing that (it's only a few mugs, I don't drink normal tea so it's just DH).  Some people reckon they get good results from using JUST washing soda crystals in their dishwasher, but I never have.  Combined with this liquid though, it was good.

I didn't measure the amount of soda crystals, but would guess it was about 2 tsps or one dessert (not table) spoon's worth.

I got commercial dishwasher powder once the batch ran out, as I'd decided to alternate just in case my machine was unhappy in the long run.  The plan was to make another batch after that - possibly with the soda crystals incorporated.  However, I ran out of energy for things like this so I haven't got around to it as yet.  I will get there eventually, though.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Meagan on November 26, 2009, 02:09:04 pm
Caroline what is washing soda? Where do you find it in the shops?
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: CarolineW on November 26, 2009, 09:17:24 pm
It is also known as soda crystals, and you find it in the laundry aisle in many supermarkets or drugstores.  It's quite old fashioned, but is making a come back at the moment (in the UK at least, the US too, judging by some of the forums).  It tends to be cheap as chips, and billed as a laundry booster.  It is also good for clearing drains, etc, as it 'catches' grease. 

It is sometimes billed as a whitener for laundry, but that's only because it gets the grease out.  It isn't really acting as a whitener.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Thermomixer on November 26, 2009, 11:06:40 pm
Look for Lectric soda in the lasundry section Meagan.  It is used as a water softener and people use it to soak their tired aching feet (after toooooo much shopping !!)
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: judydawn on November 27, 2009, 01:49:32 am
So, CarolineW  are you saying you can use these crystals on their own in the dishwasher and if you add them to the homemade goo, do you mean 2 tspns per batch or 2tspns straight into the dishwasher container. Has anyone tried the crystals on their own in their dishwasher?
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: CarolineW on November 27, 2009, 10:09:31 am
Well, others claim that they work on their own - but that hasn't been my experience.  Mine has been to put some in the detergent dispenser, followed by the dishwasher liquid soap, and the 2 in conjunction have done a really good job.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: judydawn on November 27, 2009, 12:39:20 pm
Ta, will try that.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: achookwoman on December 03, 2009, 06:40:26 am

Have just read though the posts on the Dishwasher liquid soap.      I have made a batch and have trialed it .  Two conclusions,


1.   Does remove oil/grease well but leaves lemon bits on door and in soap holder, and leaves marks on knives and on some plates.
 2.  It scratched my bowl 
on  the base where the rubber ring sit under the blades.   This is probably my fault.  the salt I used was finer than rock salt.
CONCLUSION  -  Will not use it in dishwasher as the wash is not good enough (certainly not on good glasses or good crockery).
                        Don't want to risk damaging my bowl by making another batch.

                       My machine is an Asco and I normally use Liquid Finish.       
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Meagan on December 07, 2009, 01:14:05 pm
I was wondering what caused that  :( I have the scratch on the bowl under the seal too!!

I have used it with the lectric soda for the last 3 nights and it works a lot better than without the soda. The glasses are still a little dull but they are only cheap ikea every day ones - the good ones don't go in the dishwasher. Will keep going and let you know how I go soon
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: judydawn on December 08, 2009, 12:01:15 am
I have the same scratch  ??? ??? ??? ???  (it is a whole circle, is yours?)  Interesting :-\
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: achookwoman on December 08, 2009, 01:05:49 am
Judydawn,   I made 2 lots.   The first one scratched 1/2 ,   the 2nd. batch finished the circle. 
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: judydawn on December 08, 2009, 02:13:18 am
Snap  ;D ;D ;D 
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: I Love Bimby! on December 08, 2009, 06:14:23 am
Is it a scratc or a dark circle?

I have a dark circle just at the edge of where the seal sits but have had no luck removing it. Its only one one of the bowls. ???
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Meagan on December 08, 2009, 06:52:20 am
Mine is not a full circle although i have only done one batch of the dishwashing goo. It is not the same as when you get a small amount of residue from say cooking custard. It definitely won't come off, I have tried scotch brite smooth steel wool pad.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: judydawn on December 08, 2009, 07:26:31 am
Is it a scratc or a dark circle?

I have a dark circle just at the edge of where the seal sits but have had no luck removing it. Its only one one of the bowls. ???
  Just checked mine ILB, it is quite smooth so I don't think it is a scratch but more like you describe - a dark circle which cannot be seen when the blades are in place but is the exact size of the outside of the o-ring.  Like Meagan I have tried the non-scratch scotchbrite pad and used Gumption to try and remove it.  Doesn't affect anything so I am not bothered about it.
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: Meagan on December 12, 2009, 02:07:19 am
Back on topic  ;) I am loving the lectric soda with the lemon dishwasher liquid soap, it is doing a wonderful job  ;D
Title: WARNING - THIS RECIPE MAY CAUSE SERIOUS DAMAGE TO YOUR MACHINE
Post by: TMSteve on January 22, 2010, 01:58:30 am
Hello everyone.

I really feel I need to send out a word of warning about the Dishwasher Soap?

Someone really needs to tell people NOT to use this recipe, please don't shoot the messenger.
Firstly, you all should be aware that this recipe definitely isn’t endorsed by Thermomix. So any damage won't be covered under warranty.

I have seen first hand the damage that can be caused by this several time now, again just yesterday. I am not sure if it is just the ingredients, a variation in the quantities or if leaving it in the bowl for an extended period that is the cause of damage at random times. I do know I won't be testing it to find out either.

I am really surprised that people keep trying it even after reading previous posts in this thread about marks left in the bowl etc.

It obviously has a very high acidity and it really can cause serious damage. I must add I certainly wouldn’t put my machine at risk by trying it.

Cheers Steve
Title: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on January 22, 2010, 03:08:53 am
Perhaps this recipe should be removed if it is potentially harmful to our thermie-babies??? What do you think Bron???
Title: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: achookwoman on January 22, 2010, 04:03:30 am
I think that this recipe should have a warning in BIG LETTERS.  I scratched my bowl when it was only a few days old.   The mix was not good enough to persist.  I think it is a combination of the acid (lemon) and abrasive (salt).   It doesn't seem to have changed the function of the machine.
Title: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: faffa_70 on January 22, 2010, 06:11:24 am
Thanks for the warning Steve - appreciate you taking the time to warn us all  :-* :-* :-*
Title: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: judydawn on January 22, 2010, 06:33:53 am
Yes, thanks Steve.  Is there anything else we should know about and NOT be doing  ??? ??? ???
Title: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: cathy79 on January 22, 2010, 06:46:58 am
Perhaps this recipe should be removed if it is potentially harmful to our thermie-babies??? What do you think Bron???
Definitely agree on that one.  These longgggg threads make it even harder to notice something like this.
Title: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: bron on January 27, 2010, 09:17:09 pm
I agree! Remove if its dangerous! I don't have a dishwasher, so I can't comment! Although I have made this, only once or twice! I certainly wouldnt want this recipe to damage anybody's BABY! So please remove, somebody! :o :o :o
Title: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: Thermomixer on January 27, 2010, 11:54:53 pm
I think in many ways it is better to leave it with warnings - if people can read that it is going to ruin their machine and they decide to go ahead - then that is their stupidity.

There are lots of recipes and videos out there for the mixture - in fact it was one of the first Youtube TMX videos that i saw - so it may be the same with others.  So, if we say - DON"T DO IT and leave all the discussion here then others may see that it is not a good idea - willing to have my views cahnged though if everyone says remove it.
Title: Re: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: Thermomixer on January 28, 2010, 12:03:00 am
This was posted after rave reviews in Spain and Italy - BUT be warned that it may cause serious damage - check out the following warning from Steve at TMX HQ in Perth

STEVE'S WARNING POST


IF YOU SEE THE RECIPE ELSEWHERE THEN YOU WILL KNOW TO AVOID IT.
Title: Re: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: judydawn on January 28, 2010, 12:04:44 am
I agree with you Thermomixer.  Many may have printed out the recipe and if they are active on this forum they can't help but see this warning whereas if it was removed they would be none the wiser, especially people who only pop in occasionally.  
Title: Re: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: brazen20au on January 28, 2010, 05:11:59 am
i'm not sure that a scratch counts as killing the machine LOL
Title: Re: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: I Love Bimby! on January 28, 2010, 10:42:59 am
I agree it's better to leave the warning here in case a newbie comes across the recipe somewhere else.
Title: Re: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: Meagan on January 28, 2010, 10:48:53 am
Steve is it just the scratch that happens or other things??
Title: Re: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: achookwoman on January 28, 2010, 11:12:47 am
Meagan,   mine was just scratched,  but when I made it a second time ,  it scratched it more .   So that the 1/2 circle that happened with the 1st. mix ,  was increased with the second lot to a full circle.   It didn't seem to damage anything else.
Title: Re: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on January 28, 2010, 11:16:00 am
Mine is scratched - probably from making this also.  It would be very interesting to know what problems Steve has encountered as a result of making this.

I think leaving the recipe and warning on is a very good idea!
Title: Re: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: earth mumma on March 17, 2010, 10:46:33 am
I know this is old, but I made this recipe and it did do serious damage to my bowl.  I had a deep gouge where the blades sit and little pock marks or pin prick holes all over the bottom of my bowl.  I was just so mad with myself as I wont put it in the dishwasher so why on earth would I make dishwashing liquid in it :P :P :P :P >:(.  I think I just got over excited about all the possibilities of my TM.  Luckily it still seems to work ok although I have noticed lately that food does catch more than before (I think - not sure if I am being over sensitive or not).  I was lucky enough to have a replacement bowl sent to me, so I need to send the damaged one back.  Steve said once the warning was posted they would not be replacing any more. I think the problem is that the mix is just too acidic and it literally 'eats' the metal of the bowl.
Title: Re: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: judydawn on March 17, 2010, 11:41:32 am
Thanks earth mumma for your real experience with it.  I probably only made it twice and have a slight ring around the blades but certainly no damage like you speak of.  Lucky you being able to get it replaced and this is obviously why Steve posted his warning. Your explicit description is enough to scare the pants off anyone
Title: Re: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: Thermomixer on March 18, 2010, 12:01:29 am
Thanks for that earth mumma - I think if people still try making this then they should have their TMX confiscated !!!!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: Master Moderator on March 18, 2010, 08:45:50 am
We'll leave this recipe on, so as people can see that this recipe may damage the bowl. Thermomixer has kindly placed the warning as the first post, so all can see.

Thank You

Admin
Title: Re: Bron's Dishwasher Liquid Soap - with Spanish video
Post by: SusanR on December 19, 2013, 05:33:32 am
And did you know ;D that you can double the amount of your vinegar for free!  I read it somewhere so tried it.  I only buy the generic brand 1 litre bottles of vinegar for the washing machine, tip half out into another bottle, fill both up with water, leave a few days and you will have pure vinegar again.  Don't know how this works but I do it - 2 litres for the price of 1. 
I have seen this suggestion on the Cheap skates website. I have a background in chemistry and it is absolute bollocks. It may smell the same but it's actual concentration will be reduced by 50%.
Title: Re: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: CreamPuff63 on December 19, 2013, 05:41:06 am
SusanR do you happen to know if there is any difference in "cleaning vinegar" and the vinegar in the cooking aisle, I was also wondering the same thing about baking soda as they are selling it in hardware shops.
Title: Re: FATAL: Dishwasher Liquid Soap -SEE WARNING !!!!!!! KILLS YOUR TMX
Post by: judydawn on December 19, 2013, 08:18:11 am
Loved your posting SusanR :D :D  It's fine for a rinse aid in the washing machine and dishwasher though which is what I use it for, not cooking.