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Title: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 05, 2010, 07:58:43 pm
Hello to all!
So my first Recepie here with photo (oh dear - hope you understand everything :D!)

The "Very Normal" Bread:
(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr64/melgaco/DSC_0266-1.jpg)

440gr. Water
1 + 1 / 2 tablespoon olive oil
1 + 1 / 2 spoon Salt Cafe
20 gr brown cane sugar
650 gr flour (half wholemeal / half wheat - or, as it just might!)
16 gr yeast
Pumpkin seeds / sesame / sunflower seeds .....

Water + salt - 2 minutes / Level 2 / 37 º
The add half of the flour + yeast - 10 sec / level 6
The rest of the flour + sugar + olive oil - 2 minutes  ::
Sometimes For me the dough is still too wet so  I put e a little bit of flower so it is Moore solid!
Add 7 tablespoons of various seeds and kernels  - 1min  ::.
Leave the dough in the Cup until it looks out of the hole!

After that I had already formed the prepared baking sheets with parchment paper and with wet hands, 80 - 90 grams of dough my buns.
Since they were pretty wet, I then directly rolled into a mixture of seeds and nuts!

I have let my breads another 10 minutes to rest and then op into the oven!
Preheated 200 º - 15 to 20 minutes (I  put a recipient with water in site!)

It make 13 breads 

Oh man was that hard now with the whole translation business - I hope it is understandable and does not have many errors. Otherwise, sorry!

That was my first photo recipe - I hope you enjoy it!

isi
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: vivacity on January 05, 2010, 08:45:40 pm
Hi! Those rolls look great :) Thanks for translating the recipe, I'll have to try these!
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Gralke on January 05, 2010, 10:05:21 pm
Olá
wonderful bread - pelo menos a foto está 5 estrelas (sorry - I am admiring the photo!) Promise no more Portuguese!!!
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Thermomixer on January 05, 2010, 11:43:17 pm
Thnaks indeed for your not so normal bread - it does deserve 5 stars.  Great work - we understand.

One thing is "(I  put a recipient with water in site!) " that you put a container with water in the oven to produce steam ?
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on January 06, 2010, 01:02:09 am
Isi, these look delicious, must give them a go.  Thanks for translating the recipe.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on January 06, 2010, 06:47:59 am
Is brown cane sugar  raw sugar or soft brown sugar?  Also, is the 16g yeast fresh yeast?  On checking our recipes in the EDC, 16g dry yeast seems too much for that quantity of flour.   I am making these at the moment so by the time I get the answers it will be too late.  I guessed raw sugar and used 1 sachet dry yeast. Not being a bread maker, bet I've guessed wrongly.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on January 06, 2010, 07:18:14 am
J.D ,   probably should mind my own business .    but 2 rounded teaspoons of dried yeast to 500 to 550 of flour.   approx.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cathy79 on January 06, 2010, 08:35:44 am
Oh man was that hard now with the whole translation business - I hope it is understandable and does not have many errors. Otherwise, sorry!

isi
Isi, may I just say, you are doing a fantastic job.  Thank you so much for sharing I recipes.  I bet you'll find that in a few weeks you'll be pleasantly surprised how much you've learned from investing your efforts into these translations for us.

Thank you so much. :-*
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on January 06, 2010, 08:40:38 am
Chookie, anyone is welcome to answer question on this forum - all help is gratefully received.  My rolls look just like yours isi but the test will be in how light they are.  That is always my problem when making bread, it looks alright but is a bit on the heavy side.  Just taken them out of the oven so are too hot to test right now but I'll get back later on how they tasted.  Certainly is an easy method and I was delighted to see the dough poking it's head out through the hole after 45 minutes.  I even shut the kitchen off from the air conditioning and opened up the door and window to let some of our heat come in to make the job easier for the dough.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on January 06, 2010, 09:16:26 am
Isi, you will be pleased to know that I am very happy with these rolls.  I made 14 weighing 70g each and because my DH doesn't like grain bread, left the seeds out of the dough mixture.  I did put some on the top though.  They were so nice in fact, that after dinner I had one with jam and cream on it as well. Thanks for posting this easy recipe.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: vivacity on January 06, 2010, 01:46:28 pm
Thanks for the recipe, Isi. I made the rolls using a mixture of wholewheat and rye flour plus "normal" white flour, adding 2 tbsp sourdough extract. I used fresh yeast and mixed it with the warm water on speed 10 for a few seconds before adding the flour in batches. Since I didn't have time to leave the dough to rise, I just formed rolls of about 85g and let them rise 20 minutes while the oven was heating. The rolls are really delicious and we just enjoyed them for a late breakfast. Perhaps the rolls should be called "Isi's easy rolls", they are so simple to make ;)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 06, 2010, 03:40:46 pm
Hello to everybody :)

Sorry to just see your doubt now - but - since we have a difference of 12 hours in the time zone ... ..
So when you are cooking I am I sleeping - lol :D

I use in my kitchen usually always Fresh Yeast - but I will have the care to mention that in my next recipe!

@ judy and vivacity - Thank you for having done .... I'm so glad you enjoyed it!   jupiiiiii
I am going to put another recipe of Portuguese Bread which is easyer then this -  that is going to be called "Isi´s easy rolls" hehehe
So it gives me more courage to put a few more things !

Best regards

isi
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cookie1 on January 07, 2010, 03:05:02 am
Isi, your bread looks lovely. I will have to try it. So glad everyone else is having success with them. It just goes to show that your English is going really well Isi-congratulations.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: JulieO on January 07, 2010, 03:44:40 am
Couldn't resist making these this morning to have for lunch, they looked so easy, and they were.

I wanted lunch size, so I made slightly larger rounds and got 10 out of this dough.  I had some shaved smoked turkey which I put on them and we each had one for lunch.   So nice.  The only thing I will alter is reduce the  sugar just a little, but not much.  I experimented in that I only used wet hands on some and not others and found that the ones I did turned out lovely and golden. 

I used just over half of white flour and the rest wholemeal, and didn't add seeds to the dough just on the top. (sunflower & pumpkin was all I had).

Because they don't take long and are so easy to make I think next time I will make half the quantity and make into 4 rolls to have for lunch.  I am thrilled with this recipe, thankyou isi.  ;D

forgot to say, after the first rise, I kneaded on Interval speed for a further minute before carrying on with the recipe.

(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii26/ragdoll128/Sweet/Savoury/IMG_3307.jpg)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on January 07, 2010, 03:58:46 am
JulieO, did you have to cook the rolls longer because they were bigger?  I need to make some bigger ones too and next time I will try it with all white flour.  It seems to be a very versatile little recipe and if I had success, anyone can :P :P
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Thermomixer on January 07, 2010, 05:08:02 am
Good work JulieO - they look great too.  Like the idea of putting the dough back for another knead in the TMX after fiirst rise - cleaner ;)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: JulieO on January 07, 2010, 05:28:24 am
Thermomixer, even better is that it does its first rise in the bowl, so don't even need to put it back into the bowl to give it the knead.  :)

Judy, I baked for about 10 more mins I think, about 30 mins all up.  I just kept checking until they looked about done. Also let them sit on a rack to cool down which would have helped to dry out a bit more too.

Have put 3 aside to have with tea and wrapped the remainder individually and put into freezer.  Be interesting to see how they are after freezing but am very happy with these.  :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on January 07, 2010, 07:36:23 am
I thawed 2 out to have with our lunch JulieO - they were fine. You didn't let the dough sit in the TM bowl any longer after you did the second kneading? Just went straight into the making of the bun shapes then left to sit for the 10 mins on the tray as stated?
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on January 07, 2010, 08:08:21 am
I would like to make these loverly rolls,  but how many teaspoons of dry yeast would I use ?   Help please.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: JulieO on January 07, 2010, 08:55:34 am
I thawed 2 out to have with our lunch JulieO - they were fine. You didn't let the dough sit in the TM bowl any longer after you did the second kneading? Just went straight into the making of the bun shapes then left to sit for the 10 mins on the tray as stated?

Yes, just the 10 mins because I think I left the dough sitting just a little too long in the bowl for the first rise.  When I came into the kitchen to check it, it was like an eruption out of the hole  :D, That's when I eased it back into the bowl and kneaded for the minute and it was all nice and mixed in again.  Then made into rolls and left just for the 10 mins and then baked.  They came out fine.  Next time I won't let it rise as much for the first rise, but it certainly didn't do them any harm.  :D

Chookie, I used 2 tsp  :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Thermomixer on January 07, 2010, 09:04:12 am
Hi Chookie - JD was waiting on Isi to reply - but think she may have missed the query.

I would use 2 teaspoons (about 1 sachet) as it seems about right, and it is about 1/3 of the fresh yeast wt in dry yeast.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on January 07, 2010, 09:50:01 am
Thanks JulieO and Thermomixer.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Babymaker on January 07, 2010, 09:57:33 am
Sorry just jumping in here, I rise my normal bread twice, can the first rise be done in the tmx bowl and then can I do a 'knock down' before shaping and rising in bread tin? If so, does anyone know how to do the knock down or should I just run the interval setting till it looks good?
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: JulieO on January 07, 2010, 10:02:39 am
Babymaker, after the first rise in the TM bowl, I set on Interval speed  for 1 minute, removed from bowl and shaped into rolls, put onto trays and let rise again for about 10 mins as they then seemed ready to bake.  :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Babymaker on January 07, 2010, 10:14:30 am
Thanks for your reply Julie, will give it a go :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 07, 2010, 10:22:36 am
I apologize for not being able to help with your questions sometimes!
As previously commented - When I sleep - You guys cook!
But there is always someone available to help you here!
Thank you so Much!!!

@JulieO  -  Beautiful your rolls -  I am soooo happy!!!
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on January 07, 2010, 11:54:51 am
chookie, I used 1 sachet but next time I will use fresh - I have little batches in the freezer but I made these rolls on the spur of the moment and couldn't wait for thawing. I thawed some in the microwave once and the bread was a flop so I won't be doing that again.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Gralke on January 07, 2010, 12:33:12 pm
I sometimes add the frozen yeast to the milk when preheating at 37º for a minute or two and it workes great.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on January 07, 2010, 12:44:01 pm
Thanks Barbara. Never though of doing that.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 07, 2010, 04:39:17 pm

Hello
I always buy packs of 250 grams Fresh Yeast in our Local Bakery!
I do little bits of 20-25 grams - wrap it in cellophane and placed in the freezer!
When I need it - take it directly from the Freezer in to a bit of warm milk!
Resulted ALWAYS!
Try it ;)
isi
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Gralke on January 07, 2010, 07:18:48 pm
That is exactly what I do. In Portugal you have many bakeries and they sell the fresh yeast for quite a good price, better that the little individual packages one buys in the big supermarkets and much cheaper than dehydrated yeast
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on January 08, 2010, 03:27:21 am
isi,   made your rolls today and they are fab.   What i realized was just how versatile this method is.    I made whits rolls,  10 from the mix.   they were very large, and cooked them for 25 mins.  They ( the tray) needed turning half way through.   They have a nice crust and soft crumb.  What I am most pleased about is that I could cook them in a large muffin pan,  then when cool could cut the top off,  scoop out the soft center, and fill with curry mince or bol sauce,  or tuna in white sauce or any thing tasty.   When needed pop back in the oven, and what a tasty snack or lunch.   I think the bigger rolls would make excellent "bowls" for chowder.  Also,  I didn't add the sugar or salt as I used the Lauke premix.   Think I might also look at the Basic Bread recipe in EDC and see what happens if I leave it in the bowl for the first rise.  Let you know how it goes.   Thanks again isi.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 08, 2010, 10:09:52 am
Hi achookwoman  :)
I am very glad you madethe rolls and of course liked them!
I am very curious about your changes for snacks - I think I'll have to try these versions because they seem very different and delicious!
Await news....
isi
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cathy79 on January 09, 2010, 02:41:19 am
How would this go as a loaf?  My girls love their toast in preference to rolls.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Thermomixer on January 09, 2010, 03:13:12 am
Should work well in a loaf.   
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cathy79 on January 09, 2010, 04:01:13 am
I'm curious, what does having a pan of water in the bottom of the oven achieve?
I have my loaf in the oven now, it's almost done.  Can't wait to try it!
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Thermomixer on January 09, 2010, 04:07:08 am
The steam provides a better crust.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on January 09, 2010, 04:39:36 am
How was your loaf Cathy?  How long did you cook it?
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on January 09, 2010, 04:52:42 am
This would go really well as a loaf.   I toasted a roll for lunch today,  and it was very good.   It toasted evenly       (unlike some sour dough), was crisp with out being dry.   This was a white version,  same process,  plus an extra 100g white flour. As one loaf, I would probably cook 200 to 220 for 40 mins ,may need another 10 mins out of tin in oven at same temp.  The water in the bottom,  as Thermomixer states gives a crisp crust but it also assists in the rising.   
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on January 09, 2010, 05:24:45 am
So are you saying 750g white flour Chookie?  I find homemade bread always toasts unevenly for some reason, nice to know someone who actually knows what they are doing has the same problem  ;) ;)  Thanks for that info Chookie.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cathy79 on January 09, 2010, 06:39:59 am
Well I have just sliced up my best home made bread ever, and by far.  The water must help with rising as chookie mentioned.  The bread is light and fluffy, instead of being very dense like a cake. 

I used all wholemeal and it was still light.  I thought my previous heavy attempts were because of the flour, but obviously not.  A much easier recipe than previous ones I've tried.  I did't think anything was happening, and then noticed that the measuring up was slowly lifting.  Very Cool!

I did the second knead as Julie0 suggested, popped it in the tin and let it sit on the bench until it doubled in size.  Which didn't take long today, maybe 20mins.

I baked mine for 20mins at 200deg, and an extra 5 minutes turned upside down in the tin.  Could have used another 5 or 10 without doing any harm.  I suppose it's natural that a loaf would take longer, I'm always nervous I'll over cook it as the top looks nice and brown.

Isi, thank you so much for my new bread recipe.  Easy enough to do every day.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on January 09, 2010, 06:43:14 am
That's great news Cathy.  It might become the bread recipe for lots of us  ;D ;D ;D  I am going to try it with white as DH is not a lover of wholemeal bread.  Isi has done well to introduce us to this easy recipe.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cookie1 on January 09, 2010, 08:46:44 am
I'm off to make some rolls for dinner tonight.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: JulieO on January 09, 2010, 09:52:41 am
It might become the bread recipe for lots of us  ;D ;D ;D 


(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii26/ragdoll128/Avatars%20and%20Xmas/1lg014woohoo.gif)  Let's hope!   :D :D
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 09, 2010, 12:25:56 pm
You can not imagine how much I'm glad they both enjoyed this recipe!
I look forward to more variants of it.
The best recipes are made from our own adaptations and that is fantastic.
Good Weekend
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cookie1 on January 09, 2010, 12:32:02 pm
Isi, they are amazing. I made half your recipe and turned it into 4 large rolls as we were having hamburgers for dinner. They are the best rolls I have ever made. Exactly as we like them. I used only white bakers flour as that was all I had. I reduced the sugar a little and put in pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds and linseeds. I plan to make some more tomorrow and put in the freezer for lunches during the week. With these I will roll some in seeds and leave some plain.
Thank you for a lovely recipe.

(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/birdsam/P1000484.jpg)


YEAH I  DID IT. YIPPEE.    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: em on January 10, 2010, 07:48:17 pm
hi gotta agree this is a really good bread recipe.  i cooked it last night to have with dinner and found leaving it to rise in the tmx was a really good idea and it didnt take to long either.  i made some in a muffin tray as someone else suggested and cut off the top and filled with bolognaise for my hubbys lunch today!  yum.
i am going to make a loaf today with it as the texture is just like store bought bread that we are used to.
isi i am impressed thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 11, 2010, 12:09:00 am
@cookie and em - I am so glad that your are so happy with this recipe!
Makes me wont to put more!
isi
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on January 11, 2010, 12:12:44 am
Have you got any quick and delicious main meal recipes isi?
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 11, 2010, 12:15:58 am
I have to get first my dictionary to look what main meal means!   hihihihi
Then I will know the answere
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 11, 2010, 12:22:26 am
Oh  - yessss
I have some.....
Even today we had at dinner one made that I taught to my son (9 years) for him we would have to eat this meal every week now so he can make the dinner :D :D - it's very simple but although very variable!
I am going to put it now!
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: debs on January 12, 2010, 02:55:44 am
I did this this morning and its the first 'sandwich' bread I've turned out that I've been happy with EVER.  Thanks for the recipe. ;D
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Thermomixer on January 12, 2010, 07:53:31 am
Good work Debs - it is a GREAT feeling  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Katya on January 13, 2010, 12:37:28 pm
ISI YOU ARE A CULINARY GENUIS !!!

I made the rolls last night and they look, and taste incredible....  I felt very proud looking at them cooling - they looked so professional. 

It's only a pity that the people who were meant to be coming round tonight have cried off due to the whole of our town being one solid black ice sheet.   OH looked quite funny walking very precariously down the drive hanging on to anything he could.   But it is really very serious as loads of people are hurting themselves.  Worst weather seen here for over 30 years.

But at least the rolls can go into the freezer until we can rearrange the evening.... or I could just stick them in the back garden   ;D ;D
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Ceejay on January 13, 2010, 12:54:23 pm
Ooh.. I am really going to need to try this recipe!

Perfect for school lunches when it starts back in two weeks!!

Thanks Isi!  ;D
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: meganjane on January 13, 2010, 02:26:43 pm
I'm going to try these tomorrow for guy's lunches. They're doing sheep work in searing heat right now and need something cool, so salad rolls it is!

I've often thought of leaving the dough in the TMX to rise, but hadn't actually done it. So glad isi has tried this and it's worked out! Thank you. :-*
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 14, 2010, 12:41:05 pm
Thank you for all your nice comments.
I hope that this Bread will  make success in many more homes!!!!!
isi :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cathy79 on January 14, 2010, 12:55:26 pm
Made my second loaf today.  Just fabulous.  DH says its by far the best bread I've made.  Light and spongy the way it should be, not heavy or dense.

Any new users out there, I'd recommend skipping the EDC Easy Bread for Isi's Bread any day! :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on January 15, 2010, 02:57:30 am
I'm really wanting to try this but am wondering if the dough would rise in the TMX in a cooler climate.  Has anyone tried it that isn't experiencing a heatwave or who isn't in a toasty-warm heated house?? Perhaps I should take it out and use the oven?  :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cathy79 on January 15, 2010, 06:25:55 am
I think the heat from heating the water in the first step is providing the heat for the rising as well.  The first batch I made was on a pretty cool summer day, maybe 25?
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Katya on January 15, 2010, 10:05:01 am
I'm really wanting to try this but am wondering if the dough would rise in the TMX in a cooler climate.  Has anyone tried it that isn't experiencing a heatwave or who isn't in a toasty-warm heated house?? Perhaps I should take it out and use the oven?  :)

I don't think you can get much cooler than it is here Chelsea  ;D  I just left the jug in a warm place (where I would normally put bread dough to rise) and it rose fine.   I'm sorry I can't remember how long it took to rise but I think it may have been about an hour
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 15, 2010, 10:13:04 am
Hi
I live in Portugal - so we dont have that tropical temp. either - lol --
I leave my allways in a warm place! Depending of the kitchen temperature - normally it needs 30 minutes but it may be a bit more in the Winter!
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on January 15, 2010, 11:16:10 am
Thanks so much I will try it. I normally can't get my bread to rise enough unless it is in the oven, but I will see how I go.  :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: meganjane on January 15, 2010, 02:57:48 pm
The book that I'm reading now, "Ratio", suggests that bread will always rise, given time. It's even suggested that you can mix it the night before and do the first rise, then leave the prepared loaf in the fridge overnight for the second rise.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: sargo on January 15, 2010, 02:59:43 pm
Made your bread yesterday, Isi, and it worked wonderfully.  I make a lot of bread but I have to commend your recipe for how easy and fast it is and what a nice loaf it makes.  Actually I made 2 loaves from one batch of dough as there are only 2 of us and I gave the second loaf to my daughter.  Thank you for a great recipe.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: CarolineW on January 15, 2010, 03:13:09 pm
The book that I'm reading now, "Ratio", suggests that bread will always rise, given time. It's even suggested that you can mix it the night before and do the first rise, then leave the prepared loaf in the fridge overnight for the second rise.

It's true.  I read that in quite a few places over the year, so began to build it into my routines.  I have quite often made my dough at night and left it in the fridge overnight for its first rise.  Heat simply speeds the rising process.   

It's also not unusual for me to make up a batch of dough, stick it in the fridge to rise, and then use it over a period of a few days, just taking what I need for a roll or 2 at a time until I've used it up - thus meaning I have a steady supply of fresh bread without waste (when it's just me eating it). 

The slow rise, etc, make for a better, more developed flavour, too.  Which is a bonus.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Thermomixer on January 15, 2010, 11:49:51 pm
Think Andie or Chookie had a fridge bread recipe?  It is something used in restaurants too - prepare at night and then have slow rise and into the oven in the morning.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on January 16, 2010, 03:36:36 am
The book that I'm reading now, "Ratio", suggests that bread will always rise, given time. It's even suggested that you can mix it the night before and do the first rise, then leave the prepared loaf in the fridge overnight for the second rise.

I think it may be a patience and organisation (or lack of) problem for me ;).  I did make these bread rolls this morning however and they turned out really well.  The 37o light stayed on for quite a while during the rising stage which would have helped it along nicely.  The dough was popping out of the hole after 40 minutes.  Thanks Isi for this lovely recipe!  :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on January 16, 2010, 04:32:15 am
Chelsea,  I think you may have discovered a method of proving your bread in a cold climate.   Just leave it in the TMX until it doubles for the first rise.   Setting it at 37 is not going to do the yeast any harm.    In the winter here,  when it is very cold,  I often do the second rise over the sink full of hot water.   The steam and the heat do the trick....so how about the Varoma dish, set the temp. at say 50 -60 and sit your bread on a rack over this, covered with a large cloth.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Thermomixer on January 16, 2010, 04:57:04 am
Sounds perfect.  May have to try it.  I have poached veal liver that need to be at 65 deg in a container in the Varoma with the TMX at 100 deg and kept checking the temp - so should be fine.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cathy79 on January 16, 2010, 06:58:42 am
Forgot to say, with my second loaf I cooked it for 30 minutes, took it out of its tin and cooked another 10minutes just on the oven shelf.  It's just fantastic!
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on January 16, 2010, 10:16:45 am
Chelsea,  I think you may have discovered a method of proving your bread in a cold climate.   Just leave it in the TMX until it doubles for the first rise.   Setting it at 37 is not going to do the yeast any harm.    In the winter here,  when it is very cold,  I often do the second rise over the sink full of hot water.   The steam and the heat do the trick....so how about the Varoma dish, set the temp. at say 50 -60 and sit your bread on a rack over this, covered with a large cloth.

That's what I was thinking.  This recipe has been helpful in so many ways.  My boys like milled linseed bread (based on the basic EDC bread recipe) and I was thinking I could heat the water to 37o like this recipe and then proceed on from there.  I don't really worry too much about a second rise, although I usually throw it into a cold oven so I guess it gets a quick rise whilst it is heating up.  I'm a bit slap-dash when it comes to breadmaking but somehow it always seems to turn out ok.

I forgot to mention that I used 180g freshly milled spelt grain and 550g organic bread flour in my batch of rolls (no seeds or kernels this time).  I also used rapadura instead of brown sugar and some dulce flakes as our salt is unrefined. So yummy!!!  :)
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Post by: achookwoman on January 16, 2010, 10:38:04 am
Sounds delicious Chelsea,   and oh so healthy.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 16, 2010, 04:28:20 pm
I am so happy to be able to help some people find the simplicity in making a good bread!
I thank all the kind comments :) :) :)
isi
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Ceejay on January 18, 2010, 12:51:00 am
Just waiting for my first batch to rise.... and then to shape them!  Looking forward to this!  ;D
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 18, 2010, 01:04:25 am
I have also done this afternoon!
(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr64/melgaco/DSC_0042-1.jpg)
It was Wonderful as always.
I hope that your also get to your taste ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Thermomixer on January 18, 2010, 06:19:21 am
Great work again  :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on January 18, 2010, 07:57:19 am
Isi,  love the informal look and the different grains.
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Post by: cookie1 on January 18, 2010, 09:27:00 am
Yum again.

We had pizza last night and of course I made the dough, but this time I used fresh yeast (thanks VHJ). DH didn't know that I had used it. This morning he asked what I had done differently with the bases as they were nicer this time and easier to cook. (he cooks them in the pizza maker).  The only thing different was the fresh yeast. I was really surprised as I didn't think it would/could make that much difference.
I was wondering what others think?
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Ceejay on January 18, 2010, 10:33:05 am
The only thing different was the fresh yeast. I was really surprised as I didn't think it would/could make that much difference.
I was wondering what others think?
I only ever use fresh yeast now and was surprised myself at the taste and ease of rising using it. :)

My rolls were lovely.. ;D kids have eaten most of them already...  :o
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Katya on January 18, 2010, 11:12:47 am
I produced these rolls as part of my dinner party last night and my  guests couldn't believe that I had made them myself as they looked and tasted so good ....

I'm going to make it into a loaf next as I don't think I could be bothered to take the trouble to make rolls for our everyday usage and, anyway (says she in mitigation) I think we would eat less if we had slices  ;) ;).
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on January 18, 2010, 11:26:14 am
Fresh yeast is obviously better Cookie1 but the last lot I bought seems to be not working.  It was the last piece in the continental shop cabinet, sitting atop a fresh batch and silly me bought it!! I froze it in 20g pieces as soon as I got home and in 3 lots of breadmaking it hasn't worked.  I thought it was just me but then I remembered the circumstances in which I bought the yeast and now think perhaps it was past its use by date.  My first 2 lots of isi's 'very normal bread' I used dry yeast and it was the best bread and rolls I have ever made.  Since then I have tried her next 2 bread postings with some thawed out fresh yeast and both were as heavy as and went straight into the bin - could have knocked someone out with them ;D ;D ;D  I have now put the yeast in the bin too and won't get sucked in again to buy the last piece in the shop.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 18, 2010, 11:35:04 am
judy: Well, unfortunately not always what we buy is in the best conditions and we must be very careful!
Of course for the fresh yeast results in perfection has to be 100% fresh!
There is nothing worse than bad results in the things we do much more in the days we live in today! So when the final destination is garbage I get possessed! :(

Katya:  If the history of the slices proves positive - PLEASE NOTIFY :D :D :D

Ceejay: Glad you liked it - thanks for doing it as well :)
isi
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cookie1 on January 18, 2010, 12:17:40 pm
Thanks for all the thoughts on fresh yeast. It certainly looks the way to go if you can get it.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on January 19, 2010, 09:02:47 am
If you use dry yeast,  make sure you exclude all air when you close the packet.  I put a rubber band around mine.   Have not had ary problems.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cathy79 on January 22, 2010, 07:14:09 am
This morning I made my 5th or 6th loaf of this fantastic bread.  I'm sure I followed the recipe exactly, but after 2.5 hours, it was not popping out the hole.  It had risen, but not enough.  I did cook it just to see if it would work, but it ended up in the bin.

So tried again this afternoon.  It's looking good, 45min approx, and about to wave at me.

I haven't changed anything.  Same yeast, same flour etc.  The only thing I can think of is........normally I put the yeast straight onto the warm water and then add the flour.  I like watching the yeast bubble.  But this morning I didn't do that.  Could that be what went wrong?
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: gertbysea on January 22, 2010, 07:18:23 am
Could be. Great bread isn't it Cathy79? Sooo easy letting it rise in the TMX. Fun to see it pop up.

Gretchen
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on January 22, 2010, 10:06:15 am
Cathy79,  did you use dry or fresh yeast.?   Dry doesn't mind being put in with dry ingredients,  and fresh is usually dissolved in liquid.  Think this might be your problem.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: CreamPuff63 on January 22, 2010, 04:18:17 pm
Without reading thru every single page....can someone in WA please tell me where I can get fresh yeast from?
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cathy79 on January 22, 2010, 11:06:45 pm
Cathy79,  did you use dry or fresh yeast.?   Dry doesn't mind being put in with dry ingredients,  and fresh is usually dissolved in liquid.  Think this might be your problem.
I've always used dry yeast, and second loaf worked from same yeast.  Any other thoughts?
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Katya on January 22, 2010, 11:31:57 pm
Is it possible you forgot to add the sugar?   I only ask because I did that once when I was even more absent-minded than usual
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: boonderoostudio on January 22, 2010, 11:56:50 pm
Is it possible you forgot to add the sugar?   I only ask because I did that once when I was even more absent-minded than usual
I also did that once  when I was making bread in the breadmaker. Next morning we had a hot rock for breakfast ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cathy79 on January 23, 2010, 12:16:10 am
Is it possible you forgot to add the sugar?   I only ask because I did that once when I was even more absent-minded than usual
I also did that once  when I was making bread in the breadmaker. Next morning we had a hot rock for breakfast ;D ;D ;D ;D
No not the sugar, I remember putting that in.

Note - the key for me to not forget an ingredient is...I get everything out on the bench and in order of using it, like a production line.  As I use it, I put it away.  Then if I've forgotten something, it's staring me in the face saying "you forgot me".  Haven't forgotten anything since!
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Thermomixer on January 23, 2010, 01:27:15 am
Sure you put all the yeast in ?
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on January 23, 2010, 03:02:59 am
Is it possible you forgot to add the sugar?   I only ask because I did that once when I was even more absent-minded than usual
I also did that once  when I was making bread in the breadmaker. Next morning we had a hot rock for breakfast ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yesterday I made scone-rocks - missed the baking powder out. Whoops!!!  :D
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cathy79 on January 23, 2010, 03:07:20 am
Sure you put all the yeast in ?
Pretty sure, when I took the lid off it was bubbling, just didn't rise properly.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 23, 2010, 11:28:32 pm
Sometimes in the kitchen and in life things happen that simply have no explanation!
The next it will be fine for sure!
 :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: darls on February 03, 2010, 01:00:11 pm
Ok I've done your bread tonite as kids need sandwiches for school tomorrow morning!

Very sticky after 1st rise - should I add more flour next time when I take dough out? It was very sticky inside TMX bowl too!

In oven now baking - the dough taste more like bread than EDC's basic bread that I baked this morning!! So fingers crossed I've found the bread the whole mob will like and bake it everyday!

Is there any difference between premium bakers white flour, any flour and self raising flour?

Thanks. Verdict from the mob will be posted tmw if I remember! :D

Cheers!
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on February 03, 2010, 11:05:10 pm
Mine is also quite sticky and the bowl is a pain to clean but the results are fantastic.  :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Thermomixer on February 03, 2010, 11:49:24 pm

Very sticky after 1st rise - should I add more flour next time when I take dough out? It was very sticky inside TMX bowl too!

Is there any difference between premium bakers white flour, any flour and self raising flour?


First - with the stickiness - it is best to add a little extra flour if it is very sticky - as Isi said hers is sometimes sticky too.



Sometimes For me the dough is still too wet so  I put e a little bit of flower so it is more solid!
.........


I tend to push the dough back into the TMX bowl after it has risen and knead it again for 30 seconds or 1 minute - usually it is not so sticky after that - if it is still sticky then  I add small amount of flour so that it just comes away from the sides.

Best to use bakers' flour - check the protein on the flours in the shop - the more protein the better for bread.

Plain flour for cakes and biscuits has lower flour content and doesn't "develop" the stretchiness as well.

Definitely not self-raising flour for bread - it has raising agents that are not needed - although, there may be some uses
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on February 03, 2010, 11:54:24 pm
Don't use just any flour for bread making ,  always use bread flour.  The EDC book bread is fine,you must give it 2 rises to double the volume.   Cook in cold or hot oven.   I have posted a photo of the EDC bread on my blog, I don't know how to put it on the Forum.  Maybe some kind person would shift it across.   I've also put some adaptions of isi's bread on my blog.  It sometimes help to see what it should look like.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Thermomixer on February 04, 2010, 12:21:25 am
Sorry, just realised that my post needed clarification - leave to rise in the bowl, push it down and knead again and then judge if it needs more flour.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on February 04, 2010, 01:10:12 am
Thank you for your help in this explanations Thermomixer ;)

Each person has to consider if  the dough need more flour or not! My sometimes is sticky too and I put more flower until I can work it with my hands.
The mass can never be worked too soft unless it will be Baked in a Form.

bye bye
isi
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cookie1 on February 04, 2010, 04:24:27 am
I had just moved down the posts to read this and realised I had 2 loaves of this bread rising and they had been there for some time.  :(They were well over the top of the tins but I think will be ok. Our computer is well away from the kitchen and I hadn't put the timer on. Couldn't smell them as I have rotten hay fever again today. Ghastly easterly winds. Well off to cook the bread as the oven should be hot enough now!!

The bread cooked beautifully despite its very long second rise. I had some for lunch-very nice.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Wonder on February 05, 2010, 05:07:54 am
I tried this bread last night using all white spelt flour and added the 7 tbs of seeds, I added an extra few MC's of flour but the dough was still very sticky and the bread turned out very heavy. I tried one piece for toast this morning and will use the remainder of the loaf for breadcrumbs - does anyone know if it would be the result of using all spelt flour?
Nadine
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Thermomixer on February 05, 2010, 07:40:22 am
Did the dough rise well after it was mixed the first time? 

It may be that there was not as much need for the water, but it may be that the gluten didn't het activated and yeast didn't work as well.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Ceejay on February 05, 2010, 07:54:41 am
Without reading thru every single page....can someone in WA please tell me where I can get fresh yeast from?
I am not in WA but you can ask at any bakery and often it is available at health food stores in the fridge section as well.

Hope that helps.  :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on February 05, 2010, 11:00:08 am
I tried this bread last night using all white spelt flour and added the 7 tbs of seeds, I added an extra few MC's of flour but the dough was still very sticky and the bread turned out very heavy. I tried one piece for toast this morning and will use the remainder of the loaf for breadcrumbs - does anyone know if it would be the result of using all spelt flour?
Nadine

My friends that make spelt bread tend to use specific spelt bread recipes but with rather average results.  There are some spelt bread recipes you could try on Jo's Quirky Cooking blog.  Is it possible to buy spelt bread flour or only spelt plain white flour (like you would also use for cakes etc)?  Making bread with plain flour isn't great at the best of times and it would be even more difficult with spelt because it behaves slightly different to wheat anyway.  :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on February 05, 2010, 11:52:24 am
Wonder,  the relationship between different flours and water is to be noted.   Today as an experiment I substituted 100g of bakers flour with coconut flour,  to see what would result.  I had to add an additional 100gs. of water to get a good dough.   The result was a nice soft bread roll that didn't rise to the same as with 100 percent wheat flour,   I've posted the recipe on my blog and will try and swap it over when I learn how.  I would think your problem would be the spelt flour.   As spelt doesn't have the same gluten as wheat you would need to add more yeast and/or prove it for longer.   I am thinking off the top of my head , so would need to experiment.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cookie1 on February 05, 2010, 12:15:04 pm
When I made this bread the other day I used 520g of bakers' flour and it was not sticky at all, just right.

CP63, I have been trying to get some fresh yeast too. I used to buy it in health food shops but none seem to have it. I believe VHJ asked at Brumby's and was suitably rewarded. I'll go and try my local one during next week.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: alioop on February 06, 2010, 03:30:20 am
Without reading thru every single page....can someone in WA please tell me where I can get fresh yeast from?
I am not in WA but you can ask at any bakery and often it is available at health food stores in the fridge section as well.

Hope that helps.  :)

This may have been mentioned already - not sure.... :-\   but I grabbed some fresh yeast the other day from the local beer-brewing place in Busselton - one of those "do it yourself" brewing places.  I'm sure there would be heaps in Perth as well, could look up if there's one close to you guys.  They are probably more likely to have fresher yeast too as they go through so much of it.  It was 100g for about $2-3.   Hope that helps  ;D
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: CreamPuff63 on February 06, 2010, 05:41:09 am
Thanks alioop thats a brilliant suggestion  :D
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: alioop on February 06, 2010, 05:59:59 am
No problem CP63  :D - sure it was someone elses suggestion off here somewhere though, so sadly can't take the cred for that one!  ;D  Also haven't got around to using it to make some rolls yet (needed a break, as getting despondent that mine are like door stops)  ;D
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cookie1 on February 06, 2010, 09:37:27 am
Thanks Ali. We have one of those brewing places not far away. I'll try there.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cathy79 on March 05, 2010, 09:09:54 am
I've started gradually adding linseeds to this loaf, to get the family used to the grains.  Up to 2 tablespoons today and no one is complaining as they are a nice small seed.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on March 05, 2010, 10:22:59 am
It's amazing how a simple bread can please everyone and may be adapt to many different tastes!
Thank you all for your comments
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Chelsea (Thermie Groupie) on March 22, 2010, 03:41:43 am
I made my best loaf of bread ever today using this recipe.  I was so excited!!!  I used 700g of baker flour (I forgot to mill any grains), 25gm of seeds and rapadura instead of sugar.  I did the first rise in the TMX (45 mins), then knocked it down and kneaded it for 1 minute.  I then did a second rise in the bread tin on a sunny window sill (30 minutes).  I cooked it for about 30 minutes. Yummo!!! Now I need to work out how much wholegrain flour I can add without losing too much of the lightness. :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on March 22, 2010, 10:52:07 am
Chelsea,  try 200 wholemeal to 500 white.   You could work up to 1/2 and 1/2.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: GeraniumQueen on March 30, 2010, 02:04:40 am
Have these in the oven atm and they smell and look soo good!

 I am loving your bread recipes isi, they remind me of home :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on March 31, 2010, 01:06:44 am
It is so great to read about all this positiv results!
Thank you so much :)
isi
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Carrie on June 02, 2010, 05:06:02 am
Isi, THANK YOU, this recipe is awesome.

I've just made my first ever edible bread. I've tried a few times in the past and always made heavy brick loaves that could smash a window. Combination of bad recipe and bad oven. We've just moved and have a shiny new oven so as soon as I could I made your famous bread and it definitely doesn't disappoint!

Thank you!!
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Carrie on June 02, 2010, 05:48:19 am
Just wanted to share some pics. I'm still amazed I actually made these. :D
I did 6 largish rolls and a small loaf out of the original recipe with a bit of extra flour thrown in because it was sticky.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4016/4662365528_ba1aabd3d4.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/4661744125_d118638f7b.jpg)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cathy79 on June 02, 2010, 06:39:21 am
Good work Carrie.  I love baking my own bread.  I still get thrilled to see the dough rise and turn into beautiful bread, better than at the bakery, and so much cheaper.  It's so rewarding.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cookie1 on June 04, 2010, 09:06:08 am
Congratulations Carrie. Isi's recipes are soooooo good.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on June 04, 2010, 09:09:31 am
I know just how excited you were when you finally managed to succeed Carrie.  Until I did isi's bread, mine were also disappointing.  She has inspired most of us to try bread making and we are hooked.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Carrie on June 04, 2010, 09:37:34 am
Definitely excited, and still can't believe I did it. :D

Now we can add one more thing to the list of foods we no longer have to buy thanks to the TMX. :D
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Thermomixer on June 07, 2010, 03:24:50 am
Good work Carrie - it is exciting seeing something like bread rise and be edible and get critical acclaim from the family .  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on August 10, 2010, 12:48:47 am
It is always nice when our idees and recipes get positive results!
This is one of my favorites too!
Regards to every one
isabel :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on August 10, 2010, 12:31:59 pm
Good work Carrie,  no stopping you now.   Love to see the Photos.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Debbiebillg on January 05, 2011, 08:43:18 am
Isi
We've made these for lunch for two days in a row now and love them. We put all the seeds in (pumpkin, sunflower, poppy, sesame, linseed, oats etc). Very much like the bread we normally buy, so really happy to have this recipe.
Many thanks
Debbie
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: isi on January 06, 2011, 12:13:48 am
Glad you like it Debbie! :)
Took mine out of the oven now -mhhhhhh
Smells sooo fine ;) ;)
Regards
isabel
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Lellyj on April 22, 2011, 05:10:23 am
I am so delighted with this bread!  I liked the 5 grain loaf from the EDC and the Capeseed bread on the day I baked them, that I found on the video, but this is so more "professional".  I used white flour as it's Good Friday, and I didn't have any wholemeal, but put in some burghal, sesame seeds, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, linseeds and poppy seeds.  I made 15 dinner size rolls.  As my family is away, I've eaten two and I'm going to freeze the rest.  Now, I'm off to test my first batch of TMX washing powder. 

Thanks Isi!
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Meagan on April 22, 2011, 05:28:22 am
Lellyj you sound like you are having a lovely time on your own there :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Lellyj on April 22, 2011, 05:42:02 am
Quote
Lellyj you sound like you are having a lovely time on your own there
It's true Megan--first time in 19 plus years!  I'm crossing things off my "to do" Thermomix list right left and centre! Just got to be careful I don't eat everything my self.  I'm fairly safe with washing powder!
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cookie1 on April 22, 2011, 07:26:11 am
ROFL.  Enjoy yourself for the time you have. I'm sure you will be pleased to see them back though.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on April 22, 2011, 08:51:45 am
Glad you are enjoying yourself Lellyj, don't know who will be the more pleased, the family who have missed your cooking or you who is home alone for these few days and has caught up on all the jobs. I'd certainly have the fridge full of food for them when they walk in.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: pumpkin pie on May 27, 2011, 01:52:56 am
 Isi, have made your fantastic bread for tea last night to eat with Maddys Veg soup.  I was so impressed with it, as was hubby, who couldn't believe I had made this in "that machine"  Kitchen temp was about 16deg but the dough still came out of the hole to greet me, (i had put a tea towel around the machine to help keep in the warmth.  I didn't do a second rise of the loaf, put it in the oven when the oven was cold and heating up, ( as the heater wasn't on in the house, so it was a bit cold.)
Turned out fine. Will deffinately be making this bread again, and again.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: ~Trish~ on May 31, 2011, 04:14:18 am
Today the kids and I made this bread recipe and it was great!! Rose high in the pan while baking, Had a lovely crunchy top and was fluffly on the inside even though the loaf was heavy. Very impressed!

Will be making this again!

Oh, I do wonder though how you get the seeds to stay on the top as mine all fell off except for the sesame seeds lol
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on May 31, 2011, 04:17:53 am
I know what you mean Trish, mine fall off too.  I've made sure the top is moist, pressed them on gently but most of them still fal off for me too.  Like you, sesame seeds are the exception.  I've just made another of isi's recipes and will be posting a pic soon.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cookie1 on August 16, 2011, 12:22:15 pm
I've been making this bread of Isi's in the van every 4 or so days. I do9 add the seeds and put it into 2 square tins with lids and we end up with yummy bread with no nasties. I will remember to photograph the next lot.
Thank you Isi. :-*
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on August 17, 2011, 12:40:10 am
Spraying with water,  before and after putting seed on may help.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: tarasis on September 16, 2011, 08:37:36 am
Hi guys,

After reading 8 pages of this thread and some googling I'm none the wiser to what "Salt Cafe" is.

Anyone able to give me a clue? Thanks.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on September 16, 2011, 08:59:33 am
Just salt tarasis.  Isi is Portuguese so some of her expressions are a little hard to understand.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on September 16, 2011, 09:03:45 am
Tarasis, just salt.  Isi is kind enough to share her recipes with us and at the same time improve her English.  If anyone has any other ideas please comment.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: tarasis on September 16, 2011, 10:40:01 am
Thanks Judy & achookwoman, I wasn't sure if it was a mistranslation or a ingredient/product name I simply hadn't come across (which has been the case of a few recipes on here and in Tenina's Asian cookbook)

Just waiting on the my first batch/attempt of these rolls to finish cooking :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on September 16, 2011, 11:38:31 am
Hope you enjoy them,  many of us love Isi's recipes.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: tarasis on September 17, 2011, 10:11:49 am
T'was enjoyable indeed, made it half white / half vollkorn and I added 2 tablespoons of sesame seeds and 2 tablespoons of poppyseeds during mixing and then rolled them in poppyseeds / sesame seeds / cheddar cheese and was very tasty (though darker than I expected).

Of the 12 rolls the batch made, 8.5 of them were eaten, 7 by the other 3 people at lunch
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Yogamum on October 13, 2011, 04:04:49 am
Thank you thank you thank you! Success at last, marriage saved haha   :-*

Just like the expensive $5 bread we used to buy but way way better. This is exactly what I was after, isi you are an angel!
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Deniser on October 13, 2011, 05:48:05 am
I have just made Isi's bread rolls with a mix of bread flour, rye and sourdough and rye - the leftovers from various packets that I had in the pantry.  Oh yum! and how easy.
Because it was so easy - while they were baking  I made  a batch of cheese rolls - just used Isi's recipe substituting white flour and sprinkling grated cheese over the top.  The dough rose out of the top of the Thermi lid after 40 minutes so I just kneaded it then for 1 minute - perhaps a little less yeast next time - but they are delicious.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cookie1 on November 16, 2011, 01:02:53 am
I just love this bread. I've been using different flour mixes and seeds and it always turns out beautifully. Yesterday with help from Chelsea's blog I made my first Chia seed bread. I didn't tell DH and he loved it. I may be a Chia seed convert.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: RosieB on December 24, 2011, 08:39:18 am
After very good results with Isi's Easy bread I decided to try Isi's Normal Bread.
Another great result,  Tho my TC found the dough a bit hard going and I had to finish kneading by hand.
(http://i549.photobucket.com/albums/ii396/CheydieJ/Bread004b.jpg)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on December 24, 2011, 10:34:15 am

Rosie, I have been thinking about the TC and bread making.  I think that it might be best to knead half the flour with all the liquid and yeast,( as Nola suggests), and then finish the kneading on the bench ,  incorporating the rest of the flour.  You have come to this solution via another problem.  You need to develop the gluten or you will not get the best result.  All the recipes on the Forum have been developed for the TMX,  and the process is different to the TC.  So although you are getting a good result ,  as seen from your photo,  you might like to try what I have suggested.  Let me know how you go as I am keen for you to get the best result.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: RosieB on December 24, 2011, 02:51:30 pm
Thanks ACW.
I have always enjoyed kneading bread by hand so it has not been a problem really,  But I do find poor TC does struggle a bit.
Today I wanted a quick result as my faithful Breville breadmaker died after many years and the cheapie I bought to make do til I can get a proper replacement makes the most awful bread.
TC is great to get everything to the right temperature etc.  I will just go back to hand from there.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cookie1 on December 25, 2011, 03:35:28 am
I've always found kneading dough to be relaxing. Though it is great to have the TMX to do it in the warmer weather.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Mrs KK on January 05, 2012, 05:41:00 am
I only found this recipe a few weeks ago and I have never made soo much bread. This would have to be the best recipe I have found so far for bread. I have made it as rolls and loaf and is has been excellent every time. I have been doing a combination of both wholemeal and bakers flour. I also add all the seeds when  :: rather than roll at the end. When I bake as a loaf, I cook for 25 mins on 200. Thanks for a great recipe. :)
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Post by: cookie1 on January 08, 2012, 06:06:38 am
It's exciting to have a great bread isn't it?
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on June 10, 2012, 11:04:00 am
I made this one today and substituted some of the white flour with my soy & linseed flour.  A lovely loaf.
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Post by: Amy :-) on June 10, 2012, 11:30:42 am
Thanks for posting on this thread and bringing it to my attention Judy. I must have missed serveral times while browsing! I must give this recipe a go, it looks very yummy and easy ;)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on June 10, 2012, 11:38:05 am
Amy, Isi was the person who first got me going with my breadmaking so every now and then I like to return to one of her recipes and do it again.  This is a lovely loaf (or rolls) - with the rising parts, especially in this colder weather, I don't worry about time so much as waiting for the dough to push the MC up on the first rise then for the dough to rise to the top of the tin for the second rise. I use my biggest bread tin for this recipe.
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Post by: Amy :-) on June 10, 2012, 11:42:48 am
Thanks Judy, I will keep those things in mind :)
Hopefully will make these tomorrow or Tuesday for lunches during the week. How many days do they stay fresh for?
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on June 10, 2012, 11:44:09 am
With all bread or rolls, I only keep out what I want for the day and freeze the rest Amy.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Lisel on June 11, 2012, 12:58:46 pm
I want to try this tomorrow, but I don't have a bread tin (yet, simply no knead are having a sale in a few weeks, will check out what they have then) so should I try free form or use 2 Pyrex loaf pans, the small ones I've always used for banana bread and lasagne?  Does bread behave the same in glass?  I would make rolls but I always have so much trouble making time to make bread I know I would never get them shaped and in the oven.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on June 11, 2012, 01:01:37 pm
I don't know Lisel, I've always used tins for my bread.  Someone will know though.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: gertbysea on June 11, 2012, 01:15:32 pm
Lisle why not just shape in into a cob loaf. Easy as  I have some very food bread tins but like the free form much better. Of course you can use Pyrex  or cake tins or any container that is oven proof.

Gert
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Post by: fundj&e on June 11, 2012, 07:42:29 pm
if u have a muffin tray u could make rolls, if i find me little green book i will let u know what weight they should be

or like gret said shape like a cobb loaf and after the 1st rise pat down and with a pizza cutter cut it into 8 panini

i forgot to say i do the 1st rise in the same tray that i bake them in, see pic #3
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Lisel on June 11, 2012, 11:42:27 pm
Cobb loaf it is!  I'll give the Pyrex a go next time, once I get a feel for it, thanks everyone, and thanks for the pics
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Amy :-) on June 12, 2012, 12:22:13 am
I love the look of those rolls Uni ;)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Lisel on June 12, 2012, 07:14:52 am
Well I am pretty pleased with the results, I used 200g of wheat which I milled with most of the seeds (for easier digestion for the small people) but time got away from me and the 1st rise took an hour in my cold kitchen, to just reach the MC.  Then I shaped it and threw it in the oven to do the final rise whilst the oven heated up, but lost track of time so I am not sure how long it was in for, when I had to leave I turned the oven off and cracked open the door.  Got home several hours later to a very tasty loaf with a slightly soggy bottom.  I think two proper rises would have produced a lighter loaf, but it is certainly one of my better efforts, I will definetly be making this one again.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on June 12, 2012, 01:12:58 pm
It's best to schedule breadmaking in on a day you know you are going to be home for a few hours at a time Lisel but it sounds as if this one will be a winner for you next time.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: obbie on June 15, 2012, 05:51:15 am
I love cobb loafs..
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: bobbreck on July 12, 2012, 10:00:59 am
After two sad failures making bread according to the EDC and reading all these posts about the "very normal bread" I'm going to try my hand in next couple of days.  I hope they turn out like everyone says  :) :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: gertbysea on July 12, 2012, 10:10:11 am
Bobbreck If you try  Isi's Portuguese rolls and make it into bread you can not go wrong. I have been using her recipe for bread , rolls and pizza dough for years and I have NEVER had a failure. Measure exactly and believe me it is fantastic. Be sure to put the water in the oven.

It is a great start for newbies  because it gives you confidence to try more complicated breads.  http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=2729.0

Gert
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: bobbreck on July 12, 2012, 10:28:01 am
Thanks Gert.  Am looking forward to trying the recipe and will remember the tip about the water in the oven.  Thanks  :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on July 12, 2012, 10:39:45 am
Lisel, you can cook bread in almost any container.  Cake tins, Pyrex, cast iron saucepans, , muffin tins and you can place an oiled baking tray on top to give a flat round bun.  Use what you have,  spray with Canola or better still line the container.  Most of all have fun.  Try all of Isi's recipes , they are great.  ( not just the bread ones)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: bobbreck on July 12, 2012, 10:42:33 am
Excuse my ignorance.....I've just been reading the recipe again and I note that it does not give the quantity of salt.  Can you advise me please?  ???
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: gertbysea on July 12, 2012, 10:46:19 am
Excuse my ignorance.....I've just been reading the recipe again and I note that it does not give the quantity of salt.  Can you advise me please?  ???

Your desire, a pinch a tsp?

Gert
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: bobbreck on July 12, 2012, 10:48:41 am
Once again thanks Gert  :) :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: judydawn on July 12, 2012, 11:22:01 am
As well as Isi's recipes, Chookies are pretty darn good too bobbreck.  Her no fuss rolls (http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=4253.0) recipe is very popular for rolls or loaves. She has also been kind enough to give us some hints for making bread (http://www.forumthermomix.com/index.php?topic=9564.0) which makes for interesting reading.  These 2 ladies are our bread making gurus - we love them both.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: achookwoman on July 12, 2012, 11:28:35 am
Thanks Judy,  but it is really just shared knowledge.  Everyone,  including you ,  help all new bread makers.
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: tarasis on March 16, 2013, 02:14:33 pm
These are well loved by everyone here, easily 5 stars though my wife finds them too nice and proceeds to eat 3-4 in a row. Likewise the kids :)
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: cookie1 on March 19, 2013, 06:46:03 am
I have to agree. I often make it as loaves too.
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Post by: Itsnotartitsdinner on September 02, 2013, 04:41:50 am
Just discovered this but wanting to know how to activate the fresh yeast? I've never used it before. Or do I just chuck it in?
Title: Re: MY "VERY NORMAL" BREAD
Post by: Cornish Cream on September 02, 2013, 09:03:51 am
Just discovered this but wanting to know how to activate the fresh yeast? I've never used it before. Or do I just chuck it in?
Like you said INAID you just chuck it in :D